That shell-ejecting M4 SAEG... again!
 

A continuation of YanChan's Off Topic thread, except actually to do with the gun (now that it's come out).

Details-
http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/mer...-airsoft-rifle

http://content.kapowwe.com/images8/h...-rifle-cap.jpg

Video-
tkm4.ram

For 40 bucks, that's not too bad. To screw around with, it'd be awesome- and at 330 FPS <, with a .20. Kapowwe's not too bad with their chronos, at all.

Personally, despite the plasticky appearance, it looks like a nice plinker.

EDIT- funny, this looks familiar.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...hlight=caps+Bb

It looks horribly unproportional to the real M4, interesting gun though.

Pretty much a copy of my reply on the other thread:

Heh, I found that a while ago, before it was updated with info and videos, thanks for getting the update to my attention!

Damn, upto 500fps with .12g bbs!!!!! I wonder if they realise there is a power mode (no power wasted on the blowback, cock it every shot), less fun, but who knows, maybe can hit say 500fps with .25g bbs.
Too bad its semiauto only (I bet it can be converted to full auto).

Now I REALLY want one BAD. I'mna email some retailers here. Doubt it will cost over $120 Canadian.

Cheers!
Alex

EDIT: Outta put the video that started all this into this thread.
tkm4.ram

I dont get it, does the actual "cap" propel the BB.. or does the "mechbox".

Because I saw it firing without power, he was just cycling the bolt... So I'm under the impression it's combustion powered... and the electricity is soely to eject the spent casings.

I doubt a cap posesses the power to propel a bb at all.

Awesome Idea. But takes to much damn effort to begin shooting....

Probably fun for basement plinking, I can't imagine running around looking for used shells after a game.

Tell me about it, I thought loading BBs with a plastic tube was a pain in the ass. The thing also looks like it weighs absolutely nothing. If you noticed, it took the dood a few tries to wiggle the gun out of the styrofoam :D

$40 USD for that? Way too much for something that will be broken in about 10 minutes.

That's pretty cool though. I'd love to play with one.

haha it only comes with 24 shells?

Where's the realisim?

If someone took this onto the field we'd spend hours looking for lost shells......

basically a cap gun..

Yup - the coolest damn capgun I've ever seen! Id love to buy one just to mess around in the basement. Definately not field worthy, although quite powerful.
Would be interesting to see someone use the internals to build.. say an SVD! Dont know how long the internals will last, but if you can get around 360fps with .2g BBs, a decent barrel, it would could possibly make quite a nice blowback, shell ejecting SVD, or whatever else you may choose.

Guess I'm just rambling on, but I think its a pretty damn cool plastic toy :)

Cheers,
Alex

We? Not I, my friend.

Big discussion about this at Arnies- the conclusion was that it does. Someone rigged up a test, and fired the removed plastic cap from a gun of his quite far.
That thread seems to have been deleted since then, as it apparently isn't UK legal.
A few folks are buying these right now. I'll see if I can find reviews afterwards, if it's at least durable, I won't mind investing in something like this. It may not be good as a field gun, but that's obviously not what it's meant for. It'll make a decent plinker.

As for loading times, I doubt the guy did it quickly because it was a demonstration. However, loading like that shouldn't be too hard at all, not counting the clipping of the caps it should take about >5 seconds per shell.

I'm guessing there's another reason that it's cheaper- for one thing, the mechanism is a lot simpler. It's simply a cap gun that propels BBs, not much more then that apart from a simple shell ejection mechanism. Hell, with a bit of epoxy, some Krylon, and a few rails/M4 aftermarket parts, I'm sure it could look much better. Still, it's not a skirmish gun.

I usually help people look for lost stuff...

Wow... these look pretty sweet. Let's hope someone starts importing them by the time I'm 18.

I will help people look for a lost mag, or god formid a lost gbb. But if you bring this P.O.S on the feild you can find your own shells.

This is incredible!! Did some of you fail to see the fact that a 10 year old boy is playing with this. Id ask for this thread to be deleted like all those crossman canadian tire threads but its likely that you guys will just keep creating new ones. Its really sad.

Hey, man, come on.
None of us are saying 'This is t3h 1337, let's go skirmish with it'. Just saying it'd make a fun project gun, perhaps something to fuck around with for fun.
We'll see how it is, hey? I've found videos with children handling expensive AEGs before, doesn't mean that they're utter shit. We may as well give it the benefit of the doubt.

The caps are strong enough to propel bb's. Trust me. Lets leave it at that.

It's at the least an interesting concept.

agreed, i would definatly support something like this in the hope that someday it will evolve into a decent skirmishable airsoft gun. wouldnt we all enjoy seeing this idea grow up to replace what weve got now? this is the potentially the future, a step in a good direction. i give it a thumbs up. anybody whos into milsim at all, this is your bag, anyone whos into airsoft at all period, should see this is an awesome advancment in the industry.... this here is the equivelant to when aeg's replaced the co2 powered rifles (see 1991marui adv upload by mr__snake) i dunno about the 500fps tho, tone it down a bit, and definatly up the mag capacity, but aside from that, im excited to see where this take the industry.

This thing is incredible, I'd do anything for one. So many movie possibilities with this gun aswell.

Man are those promo videos from Asia ever LAME! haha I just can't help bu laugh at the cheasyness some times.

I really don't think THIS concept will go anywhere. I mean the whole idea of improment now, to me, is to loose the who batteries and lame as sewing machine noises. With this there are just too many damn things to worry about.

If somehow a bb could be in place of a bullet in a shell with a much lower load, yet still enough to cycle the gun....we would be set for realism. Of course we all know it would be well....essentially identical internally and externally to a real gun. So that's out.

I think BB or a least the projectile being round is here forever. It's just so damn easy to load a loader and pump 80 bb's into a mag in a few seconds.

This is cool and the concept does has milsim advantages.

-ejecting shells (cool)
-fewer bullets per mag (reduces less spray and pray)
-bang sounds (instead of wirring sounds of an AEG)
-smoke/exhaust

The thing I really like is the Sounds. The next step is blow back.
My idea for the next gen milsim style rifle would be to take a regular AEG, add a mechanism that will take a roll of caps and fires every time you shoot a bb. and maybe a blowback mechanism powered by gas. Or use the gas blowback to fire the paper caps. O_O

This thing is a newbie magnet, nothing more. It's far from practical for any type of gaming.
The last thing you want is to hunt for the spare shells. They can be easily broken as they fall on the ground or floor. They can get lost. They can be stepped on. Then what?

And since they use caps, it makes that gun fall into even weirder grey areas of the law.

Not worth the $30-$50. I also dont buy the hype.

Oh come on Gerylocks, if they had an AK version of this you'd be on it like flies on dung! I like the idea behind this gun but, yeah running around looking for shells would be a major pain. If those shells could be mass-produced in a way that it'd be cost effecient to just replace shells at the end of a game, ie. having a budget on ammo ((hey realism people! :P, just thinking running into a surplus store and having to walk out with a .30 cal ammo box full of these things! getting to sport more supplies intense scenarios and such)) all I really have to say is I want to see two things; 1. Full Auto and 2. a fracking SAW :popcorn:

do they not make some sort of shell catcher for this type of thing? or maybe someone could invent it so you don't have to look for those damn shells?

A shell catcher for an AR will cost more than this gun is worth.

And no, Drach, I dont care what model it hides itself as. I think it's a useless piece of crap and I seriously doubt the advertisements.

It can't be useless, everything has a use. It may be severly lacking in the performance field, but I could see this as being a great movie prop.

Movies use a lot of regular airsoft, and a few blank firing guns; just look at SG1 and most anything made lately.

Just this once I'll trust the judgement of experienced movie producers. They too dont want to use crap.

But if you all really want to buy this thing, go ahead. Dont come back here asking how to fix it or complaining later that it broke.

I posted the exact same idea allmost a year ago and i got flamed to the happy place. Now its a great idea. This sux

I guess when I said it would be a great movie prop I should have also said "for low budget movies" I mean really low budget, like a silly movie for a highschool film festival. Just a quick shot of the gun, maybe one or 2 shots, and seeing the shells being ejected would look nice, even if they only get ejected a couple inches.

Damnit stop calling them "caps" they are POWER HATS! hahaha (watch the video)

I think that the sound is dubbed in. I can't see them sounding too good.

anyone know if u can get this in canada yet?

This gun's only good for one thing: Screwing around at home.

As far as I know in this post 9/11 world, if they see you outside with that gun the police won't care if you're filming an amateur movie or not.

I think it's quite obvious that you shouldn't be playing with it in public. Who said you had to be outside filming a movie?

So all you get is a pop from the cap and the shell coming out? I would buy one, only for 10 bucks no more.

Yeah, thatd be a lot of fun for playing around on your acerage or in and around your home for some cool realisim practice raids, but actually using it in a feild would be a huge waste of shells.

If you could find shells to buy, then you would be paying more money in shells then the gun itself.

the only good thing is the laser sight it looks cool the gun it's self looks to fake and plasticy

neeeeeeeeeeecro posstttt

i really like the smoke effect coming from the ejection port, it adds to the realism and theres nothing to lose on the field, unlike shells.

Interesting concept. Shell ejecting AEGs would be cool too, tho i dont see how it would work (since the gearbox takes up the whole receiver). I wouldnt mind buying shells for my AEGs. (Depending on price of course) XD

The shells damn well better be cheap as shit and biodegradable. Like made of chalk or some other crap like that, or else it would be a pain in the ass and sort of ruins things if you need a frickin' shell catcher strapped on the side of your gun.

i toally agree... if i want to airsoft, i want to airsoft. this would take too long to get it all set up. that, and having to look around for sheel casings at the end of the game and having to always order the shells, bullets etc... just seems like a big pain to me.

I would buy one if it could pass through customs (which I REALLY doubt... even less chance than an AEG)

Think about it... Strip the ugly looking body.. get the internals and build a sniper project with that.... I mean anyways, most of the time you are prone when sniping... gathering the shells should not be that long...

RE
 

Well if you bought a whole bunch of shells, there like 4.95, you wouldnt need to go around looking for them. It does look cool, mainly because it actually has some good sound effects. But outdoors, caps dont make much noise. Either way i take one for just some fun shooting indoors, you have to admit that sound that it makes is pretty awesome.

Here you have some really cool Cap guns

www.modelguns.co.uk

www.modelguncollector.co.uk

No projectile, prohibited replica. No gray area there. Boy I'd love to own one or ten of each of those plugfires though.

Cheers,
Alex

I myself would love one, but at the price I was offered one at (already in Canada), I'd never. $120 is way above my spending budget on a toy. I wouldn't pay over $50, and it'd better come with plenty of shells and be mint too.

just wondering, how well does a 6mm bb fit in a cap? Or what about caps that were 6mm? Though it technically becomes a firearm if it's just a BB in a plastic casing with gun power?

It also would be the coolest fucking blow back ever.

It uses plastic shells. Cap on one end, BB on the other.

And no, as long as its under the energy/velocity limit of becoming a firearm.