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What IS the best AEG?
Criteria for the answers.
You must own the gun, not have simply read or heard about it. That way your comments are based on real facts. It should be a production model, not something completely exotic or rare. The gun must be an AEG (for now, to simply narrow the field and keep this manageable). The gun must be reviewed in it's "stock" form; non-upgraded, from the factory. The attempt is to find the most bullet-proof recommended AEG that has the least amount of problems, or none. It must be easy to maintain without headaches. It must work perfectly as it is right out of the box. The parts needed for it to operate (magazines) and other factory-attached parts (like red-dot sights and such) must also be problem-free. Again, you must OWN this gun, not give internet review links or use hearsay. If this works, there will be another thread for handguns and spring/sniper rifles. |
I will start with the AK47 (Marui).
-excellent mechbox design, extremely easy to maintain, smart setup. -very good performance straight from the box; good range, rate of fire. -decent physical build, fair amount of metal, no problems with the body. -simple gun to use. Drawback; external upgrades are few and far between. This information applies to the AK SPetznatz from Marui; it's the same gun with a shorter front end. |
I'm assuming this thread is to solve the problem of the new folk askin this exact question.
Personally, if they're new to airsoft, I would highly recommend the TM Sig 552. Out of the box this gun is solid, looks nice, small enough to get used to a shoulder fired rifle and still easy enough to run around the bushes with due to the folding stock. It's not quite as light as something like an mp5 a5, but it's light enough. It's also got a great rate of fire along with accuracy. The right and bottom front rails make it easy to throw on a vert grip, flashlight, laser, or whatever else you would want to put up there. But additional rails must be purchased if you wish to affix a scope or red dot sight. The mags are the replicas of the 25 round mags, so their not quite as big as say an M4 mag, but beats having an 9mm smg mag while keeping the smg/carbine size. Personally I think it's an all-round good beginners gun, easy to use, and if you decide to move on to something larger, you can always keep it near by as a secondary. |
I think the TM G36C is a great CQB gun. I dont think stock Marui's have the range for outdoor games, IMO. I've found the gun to be very solid, and have yet to break a part. Due to its compactness, as well as making it strong, it also eliminates creaking entirely. I also like the fact that the real gun is polymer. Makes having a plastic gun not so bad.
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IMHO a solid gun and reliable internals are very important.
Sorry greylocks, I wrote all that but I miss the "must own" part I recommend, as the best starter gun the ICS AK74 ICS AK74M Full metal Incredibly solid large battery V3 internals excellent gears, nicest stock gears I have seen metal bushings motor fixes right to the mechbox, making it a single section. guns I own(or owned), but dont really recommend TMSR16 large battery RAS V2 internals busted body tabs so much barrel wobble it was scary multi-section front end(boo) getting the motor to seat into the mechbox properly has been problems TM MP5K PDW V3 heavy for size large battery needs to be modded in, using a stick battery just sucks ass way to innaccurate to be of any use. IMHO, if your looking for the most solid, most reliable, most part avaliable, good performing gun out of the box, lets say, in the $600 range I have to recommend the ICS AK74m or the TM/CA G36 The fallowing is a collection of oppinions I have on guns I often get asked what guns I recommend for new people. In the past it was a matter of whatever one you thought looked the best, but in the end, thats not the case anymore. Armalites I never recommend armalites, sorry, but armalites run possibly the worst plastic body. TM especially, busted body tabs and money missing due to barrel wobble. TM M4/SR16 RIS system, with its multisection barrel is yuck. V2 problems and troublesome motor placment. The only way I see an armalite worth the money is if it comes full metal right out of the box. TM sigs hard to find body upgrades no way in hell to use a large battery expensive and hard to fing/get mags TM G3 guns long loads of plastic gets very creeky again, metal upgrades are not very avaliable PSG1 looks neat long complicated gearbox underpowered plastic parts are hard to come buy costs alot not really any advantages over any ofther AEG TM AK considerably solid V3 internals considerable amount of metal mega simple design excellent motor to gearbox setup P90 small solid excellent gearbox bad hicaps mags expensive and not as easy to get(fake bullets = no WGC bulk order) mags dont really fit in vests needs mods to take a large battery Famas cheap price V1 internals creeky body(fixable easily) AUG relativly solid V3 internals rare/expensive mags Mp5 V2 internals wide selection of versions MP5k cheap small lrage battery = mods V3 internals worst range and accuracy then any AEG M14 new new mechbox solid lots of metal large battery good range and accuracy expensive G36 V3 internals solid not to hard to run a lrage battery G&P armalites solid fantastic metal recievers not half bad internals I belive it comes with a reinforced mechbox expensive, but metal body is worth it ICS same as above, but I like the G&P reciever better and I have heard ICS M4 internals can be troublesome. ICS AK solid full metal nicer gears, metal bushings, nice internals. Note: I dont mean to knock anyones gun, Im just trying to pro/con them on a level field. Any guns can be made excellent. BTW, I dont own all the guns I own or have heavily used TMSR16 TM MP5k ICS AK74M TM G36 TM MP5RAS all my other commends on other guns come from what I have read here and seen on the field. As an addition, the recent Classic Army guns have been very nice. Quality metal guns for decent prices. |
Just another opinion on the FA-MAS...
FA-MAS F1/SV -Upgradeable with V2 mechbox parts. Can be upgraded heavily, simply replace high-speed gears. The EG560 can power an M120 without any problems, providing you reinforce the internals with readily available parts. -Almost indestructible, ask most FAMAS owners out there -Cheap. You're right. -Great ROF -CQB'able -In stock form, massive inner barrel = great accuracy -Creaky, but can be fixed with 10 minutes and no effort/parts Not saying it's the best, just giving an elaboration on it. For a stock gun, it's pretty damn good. |
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In the optic of an out-of-the-box rating, and specifically for the newcomer, I'd say a tie between TM AK-47 and TM G36c, with a possible edge for the later.
AK-47 - Ver 3 mechbox - Holds a large battery - Very good performances out of the box (IMHO) - Good aftermarket offerings Cons: - Size might not appeal to all - Poor ergonomy (again, IMHO) - Hard to set as a rail interface platform G36c - Ver 3 mechbox - Good overall ergonomy (ambidextreous selector switch for a start) - Rail interface provided on stock gun - Light weight and good balance + folding stock - Easy battery install/swap Cons: - Some may find it too short - Some mag reliability issues (?) - Battery size - Where in hell's the handguard pin ? |
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Classic Army M15A4 CQB - Incredibly solid. Could bolt the barrel to a table and stand on the stock. - Metal as stock. - Metal RIS. Incredibly solid. - Crane stock that fits up to a 3300mah 8.4v/9.6v - Great ROF and between 330 and 360 stock FPS. - Far above Marui Quality motor and internals. - Reinforced gearbox and 7mm metal bearings. - Bearing spring guide and ported metal piston head. - Comes with a great 300rnd high-cap as stock. - 100% Marui compatable, unlike ICS. - Compact but a accurate enough and enough FPS for woodland as well as CQB. |
From ALL the AEGs I've owned and tested through the years, the most solid would have been the TOP M249, but this one also proved to be the most unreliable too, alot of mechanical problems with this gun due to poor internal conception thing (the damned soufflet system) and many conversions required to get it to work correctly.
IMO, the BEST AEG I had was the Classis Army MP5A2, it was solid as a rock as it was full metal. It took a gigantic battery in the stock (9.6V 3000 mAh Ni-Cd made of 'C' cells), and never malfunctionned in the two years I had it. In fact that's the only AEG that I never had to open ever for repairs or preventive part replacement. That's the only airsoft gun that I truly regret selling too. |
It would have to be a tie between the TM AK-47, and the TM G36C.
The TM AK-47 is about two years old, and has needed absolutely NOTHING. All I do is clean it out on a regular basis with a towel when it gets wet, and grease it up. The mags I own have also taken a beating, and I have never had to do anything to them except for bend the bottom plate back into shape. The only con to this gun is the pistol grip (IMHO), it is very akward in my large hands (I am 6'3"), and I am currently looking for a replacement. The TM G36C is beyond solid. After 2 years it has yet to develop a creak in it. Again, with a little regular cleaning/greasing, it has needed NOTHING. The mag's already clamp together (a bonus for me) and I have had no problems with relibality with it. Either one of these guns would make a GREAT starter gun, and are also great for veterans. |
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Also found the G&P gears to not be that great, but can only comment on the one SPR I've worked on. At one point a gear tooth snapped off the bevel gear where it meshes with the spur gear, wedged in the spur gear teeth, proceded to shear off every tooth on the bevel gear and fragged the mechbox with shrapnel. Luckily nothing else broke because of it (because after the teeth sheared, the motor spun only the bevel gear, nothing else.) |
own an ics m16-a3 and stock out of the box she shoots 305 fps with.20 bb.i was avoiding the "m series" weapon because in my opinion there are to many varients already.what appealed to me on this version was the two piece mechbox idea.one body pin removed and the weapon splits open to reaveal the mechbox and removable spring cartridge(dont know the tech name of this component)incredibly simple to maintain and if you desire upgrades there's a drop in spring cartridge that makes the weapon shoot 400 fps.this swap takes exactly 22 seconds(timed)55 seconds if you include a barell swap.cool weapon.
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P90, solid as a rock, easy to dissassemble/reassemble, everything fits where it's supposed to, very good ROF, accuracy is good, and it's compact, allowing for use in any situation. Hicaps get a lot of greif, because the feed gear breaks, but that's not a problem if (like me) you only use lows anyway.
Mags have a large capacity too. Anyone who buys their own custom gear anyway won't complain about the size and shape of the mags, because you can find mag pouches for the P90, and use them instead of 5.56 or 7.62 pouches, just gotta look a little harder. IMO, that's all the things right there that make a great gun. |
Well I've owned a TM AK-47, and I can say that it probably is one of the most solid guns out of the box that I've seen.
I currently own a TM G3-SG1 and I love it, but I've had to invest at least once more the value of the gun to get it to be a competitive field gun. ~$200-250 for a FMU upgrade, metal body and metal cocking tube to get rid of the horrible squeaking sounds and just reinforce the gun. ~$150-200 for a plethora of internal upgrades, and ~$150-200 more for a decent scope with mounts and stuff. So I guess as far as out of the box criteria, it's not that great, but this and any other gun can be fixed with more money put into it ;) Also, it's quite big, so it's much better for larger outdoor games, not very good at all for CQB. Conclusion: Probably not the best newbie gun. I have to say I'm kind of skeptical about this thread, I think what will end up happening is people coming in here, seeing their gun be trashed by someone, and write their own review to defend it. Greylocks or someone should possibly incorporate important posts and stuff into the main post to make it a little more official. |
CA MP5
-one of the best value out of the box -full metal -is very VERY solid -only MP5 to give you a Surefire light out of the box -many upgraded internals -stupid hicap mag that some may like -rate of fire is excellent -power is good -range and accuracy are good -can be used to melee people with -very comfortable -price beats any rip off TM gun out the window |
Good going guys, this will be useful. Try to keep to the format suggested in the first post so that it can be easyer to check later.
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Awesome idea, Greylocks. This thread will be helpful 4 years down the road when I'm thinking about which AEG to go for.
This thread deserves a sticky. |
Hey Greylocks, maybe you should change the title to "This IS the best gun!", in keeping with noob mentality. :lol:
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Hell no. If they are too stupid to read, they are too stupid to own an airsoft gun.
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See this is just Greylocks' way of getting into the sport, see, he just turned 18, and got verified, he's really a noob himself, and needs to know what gun to buy, and because he's ammassed thousands of posts by telling other noobs to go away, people won't jump on his case for asking.
You all should learn from his example. |
Speaking of AEG "performance" in my opinion. If you have a short barreled AEG(MP5, P90, G3SAS etc) and installed a longer inner barrel on P90 for example and the innerbarrel is 509mm then your P90 performs like a M16 am I right!? Its really awkward if someone ask you "hey you have a nice P90 and you have a extended innerbarrel and using the silencer as a shroud". I wouldnt really call my P90 a P90 anymore. It is simply a M16 in P90 in disguise. I dont really look at my M4's an M4 anymore. I have all of them upgraded with extended inner barrel and I look at them like a different AEG's(My M4's are disguised like a AK47,M16/AUG, SIG550 and a PSG1). Well that's just my opinion.
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TM G3-SG1
PROS: good mech box bi-pod outa the box large battery good sized barrel for long range shooting ROF very good stock multi-platfrom gun assult, sniper, support can be used stock CONS: mostly plastic metal bodies are no longer hard to find but cost a good bit of money it does creak but easy fix this wouldn't work on small people it have to be very skilled to use this for CQB. |
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If you want to discuss upgrades, there's an entire section for that. Please stay on topic. There's a purpose to this thread. |
G3SG1, to complement what was already said.
Good simple gun, performs well, accurate, excellent range. Maintenance is reasonably easy. Large battery is a bonus. Can take upgrades readily. Accessories are available. Simple and inexpensive upgrades equal a quick jump in performance. Not as hard to handle as mentioned, but that is technique and practice. I'm not huge, and I dont mind it at all, but I was trained with things like Lee-Enfields, so take it as you may. Cons; I truly HATE the guns that have motors simply shoved into the grip, as it's annoying to keep aligned properly and gets in the way of repairs (that applies to many AEGs). Body creak; can be fixed in about two minutes. Bipod; I find those extremely annoying. It rattles. I consider it and the MP5 series to be another good buy. The company you choose to get it from will mean different levels of metal content. A full metal upgrade for a G3 gives you a massively heavy beast to lug around. Then it would be best if you are tall. |
TM. G36 and AK47.
Both very well made. They're both also V3 gearbox. |
P90. Most reliable mechbox available, bar none; better than the V3. Most solid gun I've ever used, just because it's compact. Much more durable than any CA or ICS I've ever held. The RDS version's sight is difficult to see through... the solution is to buy the TR and any regular RDS. Assuming it's kept stock, battery life is nothing to complain about... you'll get over 2000 rounds out of a 1400mAh mini. Also, if you're one of those maniacs that strips and lubes after every game, the mechbox is VERY easy to access.
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my only complaint about the P90 is that its to small for me to comfortably use it as a field gun. That and the mags. IMHO, has a definate "toy" feel to it. I know the real one is plastic too, but it just doesnt tickle me right.
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You guys are all talking about which "Chevy" is the best. Go for the gusto and get a Systema PTW. I have one and there are many folks on ASC who also have them. Once you use it, you realize why it simply is in a class by itself.
PRO: 1) Split mechbox design with replaceable cylinder kit for varying FPS levels. Takes about 30 seconds to swap out cylinders. 2) Comes with Systema 6.04mm tightbore standard. 3) Comes with helical torque-up gears and metal bushings standard. 4) Uses dry contacts for ultra-high current switching. 5) Uses mag follower/switch interlock to shut the gun down when mag is empty. All but eliminates dry firing, unless you manually hold the bolt release closed. 6) It's the ONLY Armalite-variant AEG that is actually the correct dimensions and proportions. No fat grip to accomodate a motor or widened receiver to fit a Ver.II mechbox. 7) Mags are the correct dimensions and weight as well. 8) Only the best parts are used. CONS: 1) Dry contacts may be prone to failure if abused or incorrect battery voltage used. Other than that, I can find nothing but praise for the Systema. You can't compare it to a Marui, G&P or ICS. It's like nothing else out there and worth every penny of the $2000+ Can. price tag. |
yeah, but dude, not everyone can afford a mercedes.
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Sure you can. Guys buy Marui's and sink $600-$1000 on upgrades and metal bodies, scopes, RIS, etc. all the time. There is an entire industry dedicated to after-market upgrades. But why bother upgrading a Cavalier when you can get the Mercedes right off the bat.
Occasionally you'll see them come up for sale used for $700-$1000. Now, what guy who plays this sport can not afford that? This thread didn't say "best AEG under $499". If you want the best, you pay for the best. Nothing worthwhile is ever cheap. |
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My vote is in on the TMAK47.
-all the pro's / con's have been listed already. My personal gun has 200,000 rounds through it. I've never cracked it open since upgrading it, just regular barrel cleaning. |
M4 S-System (Marui)
-The mechbox hasn't given me any problems so far and I have run close to 50,000 bb's through it in the last year. (Which is as long as I have owned it) -Good performance straight out of the box; decent range (nothing to write home about). The rate of fire is also standard, not as fast the M4 RIS for example. -Amazing physical build, lots of rigid metal parts. This gun can take a hell of a beating. More likely to break something before something breaks it. Zero barrel wobble! -Select semi or auto, Aim, fire. You've just learned how to shoot the gun. -Overall the S-System as a stock gun wouldn't be my first choice for range or rate of fire. What this gun delivers in spades though is a tough, dependable AEG with a decent range and R.o.f. -Conclusion, if you have a tendency to push you and your gun to the very edge to get up close and personal, this gun will be your best friend. |
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There may be a thread later about the 'easyest to upgrade' gun. |
the systema PTW is without question the best, but going new for over $2,000 puts them out of reach, not to mention, hard to find.
problems takes cutom batteries, custom mags, and custom upgrade parts...all of which are mega expensive. |
heh heh got mine new for a lot less then $2000..... :P
Batteries are 7.2V in large format (costs me $35 for). Mags can be ordered in for about $70 And only upgrade parts are the 2 upgraded Cylinder versions that go for about $220 with our strong dollar now (easliy ordered from one of our retailers or direct from the states). Systema were scary to me before I bought one because of that thought process that they would be hard to find parts for. But since I bought it, a whole new world has opened up. Considering you can spend $300+ upgrading internals of a stock gun non Systema (if you go gearbox, gears, piston, spring, cylinder, aka full internal upgrade), then if you have no clue what you are doing you then need to pay someone else to put them in for you. The Systema either stock or upgraded can be done by anyone with 2 fingers a blindfold, 1 eye, in about 30 to 50 seconds. The availability to upgrade or downgrad with a cylinder swap out only (as eveything else is already upgraded stock, they do not have a downgraded version). So yeah I agree with Mac the Systema is by far the best stock gun on the market. Cause at stock were only talking 300fps. And parts/accessories take 5 days from the US to arrive (I know I've order some already). |
I bought an Intellect 7.2v 3800mah battery for $40 at a hobby shop. The Systema "stock" outclasses any upgraded AEG from anyone else. I can have whatever parts I want in less than a week and what cylinder kit for a 450 FPS gun doesn't cost $200?
My point is the you can't ask "What's the best AEG?" and keep getting "it's t3h tmak47" or a Sig552. I mean c'mon. Does a Dodge Neon get "best car", or does it go to a BMW, Mercedes or something? People who've never owned, or even seen a Systema PTW, simply have no clue as to it's construction or potential. And I paid less for my Systema then I could buy a Marui M-4S for. |
the M4 PTW takes those custom systema batteries through the retractable stock, the M16 PTW takes the regular large batteries.
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7679/ptw223vs.jpg Id love one, Id sell all my airsoft stuff for one, but still, at $2000 for a new systema M4 PTW, its still so much money. its like comparing a top fuel dragster or a F1 race car to regular cars. it is without question the best AEG, but also prolly the most expensive and rare. if we were to recap the question as a regular gun, avaliable to anyone |
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Beside, it sure seems like a charm to own a Systema AEG. It may even be less of an extravaganza than I initially though (read = God I'd love to get one). Still, the way I understood the original question was for a stock gun within financial reach. I am all ready to agree with you about the fact that Systema's offerings are the best, and on a long term analysis, they are better worth for your buck, as you mention. But the point of comparing some Honda to a Mercedes doesn't hold in this case IMO. Everyone knows Porches rock. Yet who own one ? Cheers |
TM AK47
Ok, so ive never owned one (only used in a few games) but Ive owned others and none matched the performance, feel, look and reliability of it |
Well my Systema cost me less then my G&P SPR/a, so I'd think financially they are within reach. Main reason the costs are so high from most retailers is because of the lack of general interest in them (afterall just about everyone has a TM M4). If you only order 1 or 2 guns from a manufactuer out of country your costs are going to be extremely higher then lets say TM who you order 20 guns form. I'm sure if someone was able to generate interest in a group order, and find a retailer willing to facilitate it you'd find them are a lot more reasonable cost (especially with our exchange now to US$$ ).
Someone should talk to HoJo about a group order pricing for say 10+ guns from Systema US (of course you'd need 10 people willing to buy of course) but you'd be surprised at how much the guns $$ drops. Suplly and demand is one thing, but quantity order always speaks volumes. |
Absolute worst AEG I have ever had the misfortune of taking apart (not to mention stock 3 of)...
Lih Yng model of the Taiwanese Armalite marketed by Guarder. I ordered them because I thought them to be an interesting take on a crapalite. They bear the same trades as the TW service rifle and they come with mostly metal construction. However, the mechbox internals are terribly inferior. The gears are a moulded plastic which are unable to durably drive the stock 380fps build. Even the piston has failed. I observed a mechbox failure in about 30rnds with a two new ones developing. The bevel gear was the critical failure, but I note significant wear on the sector gear and a crack has developed in the piston. Too bad the entire build is based on the proprietary design of the Lih Yng gearbox. TM parts are not cross compatible making these otherwise fine AEGs wall hangars which are happen to be able to shoot only 30 times. It is truly a shame. The rest of the gun is a very solid build. I find it laughably ridiculous to go through the trouble of a decently cast metal body, attach a well turned single piece steel outer barrel (read zero wobble) stock on a well textured solid stock and crap in some critically bad cheese gears. I can only hope that guarder gets around to releasing some acceptably made gears for this thing so I can turn them into saleable goods. |
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Stay focussed guys, trust me, there will be more of these factual threads before I'm done picking brains. Heck, I find a lot of this stuff quite interesting to read. |
next should be "best bang for your buck gun"
must be an AEG must be a rifle/smg...no machineguns(M249s) must be $1000 or less must be rediably avaliable excluding the godly Systema Personal Training Weapon Think if you owned a field and were going to buy rental guns. Not overly expensive, but will take punnishment, have innexpensive mags, bigger battery=better, reliable internals and easly replaced parts. |
heheh, then I'd still have to pick the P90 :p
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Well Droc, right now the criterias pretty much match what you just wrote. Almost everything listed so far is affordable and durable. And most of them are problem free in all manners that count.
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Custom batteries are usually not a problem for a battery shop to make. I had a brick made for my AUG and a PEQ battery for my M4 and it cost me $72 with tax. There's nothing they can't make. I see what Greylocks is getting at with this thread, however the question is really pointless as the qualifiers for "best AEG" must be availabilty of accessories, parts, the gun itself as well as performance. Lots of guys say "TM this" or "TM that", but really, they all perform the same, cost the same and are built on the same mechanics. What you really get to is SIG vs. AK vs. M4. And what good is a SIG if you can't get extra mags for it and upgrading it is a waste of time and money as an example. Maybe I'm reading more into Greylock's point here than he intended, but a question of the best deserves the true answer of the best. And I live in the toy car capital of the world in a city of 60,000 people. We have more Hummers, Porsches, Ferarris, Mercs, BMWs per capita than anywhere in the world by far. So I see them all the time. So what's a $2000 airsoft gun? |
"Maybe I'm reading more into Greylock's point here than he intended, but a question of the best deserves the true answer of the best."
You're not reading the request and the criteria. To make this manageable, and follow a point, there are criterias to follow. If I would have asked "What is the BEST overall AEG?", and specified that anything goes with no restrictions, your answers would be valid. Please follow the current limits of the question. This is the first of many, others will focus on different subjects. Okay? |
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when it comes to a quality, reliable, innexpensive and pratical guns, the G36 is up there. |
"G36:The best bang for your buck!" -Droc
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Hey guys what do u think of the Marui M1A1 Thompson? I've been thinking about getting one.
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I like how perfectly decent informational threads get drawn into multiple pages of worthless drivel every god damn time. It's not so bad yet, but it will happen.
NOOBS! Read the primary post and only add information if you know what the hell your talking about ... better yet, post nothing here at all. Christ almighty. |
I wish I could edit out the irrelevant stuff. Maybe when the thread has run it's course I can ask a moderator.
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UTG MP5 A4/A5 (stock)
You have to put time and money into this gun for it to perform well in large outdoor games. With the stock motor, and a few interal upgardes you can do up to 328-345 FPS. Not very consistant with full auto in terms of FPS if you do upgrade. Consider rewiring the battery to the back of the gun if you plan on using the solid stock, so you can use large batteries. However ROF drops significantly after you upgrade the spring. Indoor Use: Enough power and decent ROF Accurate Outdoor: BBs curve left/right after a little while and would require hop up change. Not on par with TM MP5s but has upgrade potential Not a long range weapon and difficult to set stock hop up perfectly after a few games Plinking? Go get a pellet gun! |
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The UTG is far from the best, but at least his report fits the criteria. And since the gun is available, it will help make decisions later.
I sure would not buy one, but the info is valid. |
I heard the UTG MP5 is a good bang for your buck. There was a guy on arnies that put a little bit of work into one and now you cant tell the difference between it and a TM MP5.
prolly the best budget gun. |
Yep, that's why it's a fair call to talk about it. Not asking for perfection, but what folks think is good enough to qualify.
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I drop another vote for the TM G36C.
Pros: -Widely avaliable -Priced well for what you get -Looks slick -Good performance out of the box (reliability/power) -Tough enough to handle minor abuse -Hop-up is easy to set and it won't budge out of place -Has rail-system out of the box -Easy to modify to take Large style batteries -Great for CQB and has enough range for woodland battles -Easy to disassemble -Easy upgrade potential Cons: -Not a lot of metal, even though certain parts really should be (i.e. Cocking Lever) -Uses mini-batteries (I like this, but for new players it can be a turn off) Really it's an all-around great gun for a beginner and veteran alike. |
P90 best gun ever, never breaks and if it does it is easy to fix.
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You can get 8.4v 1200mah mini matteries that last long enough. In a stock gun 1200 will do the trick no problem. I could get 20 lowcaps out of a 1500mah with a PDI 150 in my AK.
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I'll give another vote to the P-90,. the only thing...the mags are a bich to carry around especially if you're trigger happy like me :-D
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i vote aug civilian. it's completely gameable out of the box. long ass barrel to make usefull outdoor, similar overal length to an m-4, it's weighted in a way that your forward hand/arm wont fatigue as quickly over the course of a long day of gaming, mags fit in any kit, and if you happen to get a malshapened bb you can clear a jam with absolutely no headache. batteries arent really an issue since hobby shops will make whatever shape you want. it's solid, ambidextrous, reliable. i've never had a failure with mine in the 5+ years i've had it...and it's still stock...cept for bushing and spring replacement maybe. only draw back, out of the box, is siting it. if you dont adapt well to siting without obvious sites than it's hard to use. otherwise it's awsome.
dont get me wrong, i love my p-90 too, but out of the box it's lacking for outdoor and the mags are a bit of a pain to manage if you're not one to get your kit "custom made". the longer barrel and mag manageablility is what i'd say gives the aug an edge up on the p-90 out of the box. |
though, Aug mags are few and far between
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only cus it's not that popular of a gun. not as many stocked as most other mags but they're out there. but that can be said about few other mag types too right? there's bound to be a quirk about every gun out there. i stay away from mags that clip together liek the sigs or g36 cus they snag on my mag pockets, or i typically will only really regularly field guns that can field stripped in case of a jam. hk and sig dont field strip. all a matter of personal taste and the criteria that you're looking for in a gaming piece. me...i like smooth reload. i can wait for the mag or order it from somewhere. i'm not in a rush to completely accessorize any gun in my collection. i'd be homeless if i was :|
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How is this not yet stickied?
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Because it's still active and more reviews/opinions are coming in? Please stay on topic.
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I disagree on the P90. The hicaps are the worst design on the market, mine were always jamming. Locaps are the only way to go, but then you have to find a way to carry the things. I found the hopup was a pain to adjust. I do like them, but I wouldnt call them the best AEG out of the box by far.
I realise a poll like "best aeg" is kinda subjective, and most of the time people ignore functionality for looks. But if someone who wants to get into the game asks me what AEG would be best to buy, I always say a full stock TM AK47. Pros -Rock solid, no squeaks or wobbles, if you ran outta BBs you could throw it at someone. -Large battery, last you all day. -Huge mags, most people could run just 1 hicap. -Simple hopup, easy to use and doesnt back itself off. -$470 range, add a hicap and a battery and you're good to go. -Lots of cheap Russian gear available as well to go with the image. -Lots of aftermarket parts these days for conversion kits and body kits. If you wanted you can make a full metal and wood AEG for a decent price. Cons -Keep an eye on the buttstock plate. -Disassembly is quite involved, its basically in 100 pieces to get the mechbox. |
For me it's the CA M249 Para.
This gun is rock solid, as it is all metal. I have currenty put over 100,000 rounds through mine with no ill effect. Servicing this gun has been nothing but easy going, need to change the spring, no problem, takes about 10 seconds, gotta pull the mechbox, 2 minutes. Comes stock with 8mm bearing, Hop-up is easily accessable, and easily adjusted, can be modded to accept large batteries in the box mag without too much trouble, otherwise battery changes can be a bit tricky at first. I have fired off more than a few 1000+ round "bursts" without any issues. If I thing of anything else I'll add it later. |
4 Guns
Between my girlfriend and I we have 4 guns
1st TM G36C - agree with all posts, it was the first gun we bought and out of box have had no problems. Quite a bit of game play, Solid, not too heavy for her, good rof and accurate. I found the gun a little small for me ( I am 6' 2" big guy ) but for CQ I recommend it. 2nd TM Famis - This one was for her son. Light, accurate, and has been relable so far. Did have a problem with the mag, her son hit the release a few times during play and we had to find it... lots of fun. Personally I don't like the style, too much plastic, but has seemed tough enough. 3rd G&G M16 A2 - This one is mine. Love it. Solid, good weight and big enough for me. The realism and all the upgrades out of box was why I decided to spend the extra $ instead of the TM model. No barrel wobbel, and it has seen a bit of use. It is a heavy gun though and highly recommend a sling. I have had to replace the tappet plate, so that concern is real, but gears seem good. Lots of metal. Hop up is a bit of a pain. 4th ICS MP5 - Just got it, again out of box already has more metal, and upgrades. Very solid gun, and realistic, again you pay a little more but as others have mentioned, if you pay on the front end usually cheaper in the long. Hop up is really nice to use. Conclusion: Out of box I think a few upgrades are good to begin with, Can't say one make of gun over the other IMO, TM are the best to get into it for the least $$$, I have seen other makes with the metal upgrades out of box that make sense if you can afford it to start. Gearboxes messing up seems to be a concern but haven't experienced it yet. |
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I second the CA249, Ive got the Mk2 and the only issue ive had is its hard to fit the battery in the stock.
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Id have to say the AK47. Internally its the exact same as the G36 but its able to hold a large battery with no mods. Plus for around 250 dollars more you can upgrade it to full metal. After the metal upgrade parts are added the gun will weigh in at around the same weight as the real AK (around 9lb). Ive done work on both guns extensively and Id have to say although the G36 is a easy gun to work with the AK is just so much easier.
Seriously when I think of it. - 400 for the gun used in the for sale section. Almost brand new with some upgrades already installed. - 200 for metal body and metal front end. I ordered straight from WGC to avoid the crazy canadian retail prices. I wouldnt suggest this but If you pay 300 for a AK metal body your getting RIPPED! Metal body was like 50 USD and front end was 60. I sold the battery the front end came with for 30 dollars and ended up paying less then 200 for both parts. - 60 for some real AK wood then a few hours moding it to fit. Total price was around 6 to 650 for a full metal and wood AK. How many of us have paid that just for a stock gun? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...K47018crop.jpg |
god damnit slick every time i see your AK i wanna go out a buy one
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I'm seeing a trend; most of the "best" guns described are extremely solid and based on Marui V3 (or better) mechbox designs.
So far, the best guns have; Solid body design. Large battery. Excellent mechbox. No accessory problems (IE no problems with mags). External (cosmetic) upgrades seem to cover a variety of opinions. |
I just want to talk for a second about the mags thing. Finding P90 mags is not as difficult as it once was, I was able to get some from Red Tiger at the Stargate game for $45 each, and he sells them online too, as do some other retailers, so there's no reason that you shouldn't be able to find them. Also, people complain about not being able to fit them into their existing gear. This should not be an issue, because custom made (or correctly proportioned) pouches are available, you just have to look for them. You spend how much on your gear, are you telling me that you can't spend the few bucks more to get the propper kit? I was able to get a P90 thigh pouch that will hold 3 spare mags, so I know they're the out there. I personally have yet to have a problem with my Hicap, so I can't tell you much about that, but I do know that people have trouble with them, but again, it's not a problem if you're a type A player, who uses locaps for realism (Actually more realistic than if you were to use locaps with an M4, because unlike M4 mags, 68rds is frighteningly close to the actual capacity of a P90 mag.)
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The main problem with P90 mags are their hicaps. Their are a bitch to work with.
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TM AK47
TM AK47
This is absolutely 'thee' gun I recommend to anyone who does not know what they want. In my opinion, it is a great all around gun for affordability, reliability, accuracy, low maintenance, and effective range. At around $450-$470 you get a solid out-of-the-box AEG. This gun is one of the most popular AEG models on the market next to its rival, the M4A1 (and its variants). *NOTE* - I suggest purchasing any AEG ~NEW~ not used. Used AEGs are a risk and you may end up spending more money to fix the used AEG than you should. First Gaming Impressions: You do not need to rice up your AK with aftermarket parts/accessories. I like the original AK look compared to some other variants. I'd say it is field ready and it is safer than to upgrade until you know you are willing to spend more money and risk having more problems down the road. Also it keeps you within CQB FPS limits if you choose to use this in indoor facilities that enforce an FPS limit. It looks like a terrorist gun and it strikes fear in it's simple form. It is a bit weird at first when first shouldering the rifle and taking aim. The magazine reload also feels weird at first if you are used to the way Armalite magazines are inserted. After a couple skirmishes, you will soon get used to operating the Ak47 in a more comfortable and effective manner that is suitable to your playing style. Upgrading cosmetically does come at a price if you want more unique AK models such as the dragonov sniper, but if you just want to make it more solid that it already is to add realism and weight, there are various manufactures that have released metal bodies, wood kits, and other misc accessories to suit your airsoft preference. Do not be fooled. This AEG does have a solid feel when you grasp it. The weight will fatigue your arms if you are not used to carrying anything heavier than an MP5 around the field all day. Overview: coming soon... |
Main problem with the P90 isnt the Hicaps. Although the mags are a pain to deal with Id say the hop up is the worst part of the gun. You have to split the gun in half to adjust the hop up. IMO this is a huge CON! If you want to fine tune the hop up you have to keep taking the gun apart to make the minor adjustments. If you change your bb weight during the game lol good luck trying to adjust it during the game.
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After reading what every body have to say …I still have to come back to my TM AK-47 out of the box. I got this gun from Tru three years ago, I compared this gun with my stock TM M-4 RIS and time and again I prefer my AK over the M-4 ( hope I am not offending the Armalite fans). Reliable and particle to use on the field, it can take a certain degrees of abuse. I have upgraded both guns since and ended up selling my M-4 a few months ago. Last Christmas I got another AK from another manufacturer, but this is another story for another time.
I would recommend the TM AK47 as a beginner’s gun to anybody who’s new to the sport and hours of enjoyments on the field without upgrades. |
Bumping this thread for Greylocks, as stated in the GBB thread, we will be gathering up all the answers and taking the best personal info that you good people have provided for your own experiences.
Any more info to add about any of your personal AEG's, speak now and it could be added to the final thread. Thanks |
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Uhh Slick, are you sure your thinking about the P90? There is a trap door inside of of the handgaurders that you slide open, giving you acess to the hop-up wheel. Its really as easy as the G36 to tune, if not easier, as you don't have to hold a cocking handle back. |
I think some people are wondering, so I'll make it clear. It was my idea to start this kind of thread for the purpose of getting a list of decent guns to get. Along with that, some hope of getting decent details (why, how, what works).
GBB, AEG, and soon Sniper guns. Renegade HAS talked to me about continuing the project, he's not stealing the idea or ripping me off. Threads like these are the proof we can get excellent information together. I just have other things that are taking major priority in my life right now. |
Q: would a tokyo marui ak47, or would a tokyo marui m4a1/m16a1 series be easier to modify? + would an ak or m16/m4 shoot better?
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i dont curently own a gun but i am going to make my first purchase a SYSTEMA M16a3 because i heard of barrel wobble and other issues with other guns like TM etc i hear that G&P is the next best thing to a Systema, correct me if im wrong. i am a beginner and i am going to make my first purchase something that im not going to have to worry about breaking or having to upgrade or waste even more money later on. $2000 is not alot to save up. i am an average working bloke like any other guy on here and its just a matter of putting aside a bit of money every time you make some money. i am close to achieving my goal of having $2000 put aside for a Systema gun and it has taken me litle over 6 months to save that much. i say in less than 3 months i will have enough for the gun a couple extra mags and maybe even enough for the upgrade piston or whatever that part is that is easy to swap out.
however if i could find a Sig 550 i would get that immediately (solely for its look) i dont rally like the 552 because it is small and i am a fan of large guns like M16s and 550's i dont know if this is off topic (give me shit if it is) but i thought id put my 2 bits in even though i am new to airsoft |
The topic requires that you talk about a gun you OWN, not what you read about. Read the first post again.
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Having owned a P90 for two years and having absolutly no problems i would have to say it is a very solid gun.
Pros. -No creeks. -It has a tight grip for fast targeting. -Only gun i can shot and kill with while running. -It has three rails for many different scopes, lasers and flashlights. -The gearbox runs very cost effective on a battery (i have never drained the 600Mah 8.4v battery even after full days of playing) -The sights on mine were accurate. -With good hop up adjustment the gun shoots far and groops ok but still not as good as longer barreled guns. - The gearbox is strong (Some one told me he tested it to withstand a 500fps spring) and very easy to get to, all you have to do is unscrew the motor plate and its free to pull out. - Its inner barrel is incredably easy to remove, but its too bad they dont sell spare hop ups for the gun other wise i would have two barrels to switch out in a snap :) Cons. -The gun is not long enough for large people - hi-caps will break within a year or sooner i have lost two :*( -The screw wholes for the motor plate fall off easy. -Almost all of the external build of the gun is Abs plastic. -Small battery Things i would recomend. -If you spray alot you should get a box magazine because it will alow you to use a 9.6v 3000mah battery, it holds 1500 rounds, and it uses a reliable m16,m4 magazine. It might also be able to use low cap magazines however i have never tried to. - A red dot scope is a good thing to have becuase its hard to aim down the barrel of this gun considering it does not have one. - Also be smart and sell the silencer it comes with and put the money to an m100 spring and bushings. My guns currently has an m100 spring and bushings and has made me alot more happy becaused of it. -Bottum line. Its a great gun for indoor combat because its a bulpup.It comes with an EG1000 which is a plus :), Its grip is new and effective, its light wieght, hi rate of fire, and above all it is relaible. |
I'm new to this site but here's my 2 cents
Between my 2 brothers and I, we own 17 guns: AR-16 M4A1 AK G36C P90 M14 FA-MAS (these are all TM) the rest are hands guns and 2 sniper rifles From collecting these guns and playing around with them for god knows how long now. TM guns are great for any beginners. However i have to say, don't bother with the FA-MAS, it lacks in upgradeablity and hard to find parts for it. For guns that i recomded P90 - a great gun for CQB - pretty good rate of fire - you can get a box magazine coversion for it so you can use M16 mags (it's awsome my little brother just got it this summer) it also comes with a large battery bag taht you can place where the regular mag will sit. AK-47 - very very solid gun, no wobble - good range and accuracy probably better then the M4's I own - version 3 gear box is good, also don't have to worry about setting the motor if you do change the grips. - loads and loads of stuff to upgrade it. M-14 - the m-14 is great, very solid, but really really heavy - has a very very good range.. probably has the best range for any TM guns stock. - lots of parts coming out for the gun for upgrade. Also i would like to mention that the G36c is another good gun for a beginner.. you can easily get a CA front hand guard for it to accomadate a large battery. It also has the same gear box as the AK. Now for the armelites, i'm not saying they are bad.. i personally like them alot, but for this thread, i would highly recomded the ones i suggested especitially the AK-47 just because it's so solid and it's not such hard work to carry around like the M-14. I hope this helps someone decide which gun to get for a first. Now for me, my next gun with be a G&P CQB-R, hope i don't have to wait too long to get one. Steve |
Hey, guys seem to treat their AEG like GF's. Whatever they are banging away at now, is their favorite. Well, I as many know, have an upgraded P90 with a big battery and a 1200 rd box mag. This (she) is my ""pri Mary". I have spanked alooot of opfor with it and put the fear of god into many a player with her. The P90 my "first AEG" I bought it stock and upgraded as I deemed nessecary. I've bounced a couple M4's and an Mp5- K but, to quote my redneck corn-fed cuzns in the South. " You'll have to pry Mary from my cold dead fingers. My P 90 is staying in my arsenal.
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lol... sorry army I seriously did not understand what you just wrote there... besides the ending... lol....
Best AEG: Custom built Blackwater CA M15a4 CQB Crap AEG: Not good experience with my ICS... but I still love it haha... |
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