Question about negative feedback
 

Is it proper to leave negative sales feedback in this case.
Seller recieve PM from buyer saying he is interested and wants a shipping quote.
Seller asks for address to get quote says he will get back to him in a day.
Seller gets real busy and 5 days later hasn't given a quote yet.
Buyer gives negative feedback based on the delayed shipping quote.
There is no confirmed sale nor any money exchanged hands.

Opinions?

WTF. If the seller doesn't want to sell the items he doesnt have to. Sure 5 days is bad, but when no money or items has exchanged hands negative feedback is just retarded.
I could NEARLY (emphasis on nearly) understand negative feedback if it were a retailer, but even retailers have lives too!

No rude interactions?
Nothing exchanged?

The "buyer" can just eff off.




-Cheese

to be the only time negative feed back should be left if a deal went south if its just a general inqury then no feedback should be left like if it was the other way around would the buyer want to get negative feed back cause it took to long to send his address its a quote nothing more nothing less.

On the other hand, the potential seller could see the seller as a 'flaker'.

Keep in mind just how many of you give negative feedback if someone flakes.

i'm kind of in a simular situation, but i'm not going to leave a feedback but i might get one.

Right an explaination and quick answer is best I once got tired of waiting a buyer and just sold the damn thing, it was like 7 days and no reply.

If shipping is delayed, that would deserve a negative feedback, but slow on shipping quote doesn't since there isn't an agreement between buyer and seller.

However, if a seller refuses to sell after agreeing to a price because of a higher offer, then a negative feedback is warranted. (ie Not Honouring prices)

It would be nice to see all threads in the Buy/Sell section required to list a sellng price to prevent this kind of auction typed selling.

Re: batteries

(Gcoap wrote:
i would be interested in the Large Type 3000mah battery that you have for sale, if no one has grabed it alrady.

Gonepostal wrote:Yeah they are still availible.
Let me know where you want it shipped to so I can give you a quote.

Shipping would be to this address
my address here

i would be able to do a DD first thing monday morning.)

i showed that i wanted to buy it
that was the last PM i got from him nothing about getting busy.
I dont know about you guys but if some one takes 5 days to get a shipping quote I think its bad news.

Why not neutral feedback? That is an option as well.

It is but after the last few pm's i got indicating becuse of his low prices he felt like he can dick ya around negative seams to be the right option.

I wouldn't give a feed back at all in this situation. I only leave -ve if someone doesnt ship something after being paid/ product arrived in worse condition than described.

i would check to see if he gave negative feedback to people who flaked out on him. imho the trader rating should only be used for completed trades so it is only fair: if the seller leaves neg feedback for flaking buyers, its only fair to leave neg feedback for a flaking buyer.

6 months and im still waiting for a shipping quote after an item was confirmed as available and a transaction agreed on.

As I said before, you two weren't in a COMMITTED state. ie If he offered you $30 S&H, you'd probably backed away from the deal.

If everyone here start leaving negative feedbacks for flakey buyer/seller, the whole system would be messed. Their feedback would only show their indecisiveness, but not their trading ethics.

It does show there trading ethics it shows that they flaked, does not matter at what stage they flake, they still flaked. Or in this case thinks its ok to dick around becuse he offers low prices.

That negative feedback ought to be removed. The system is intended to provide public details about a buyer and seller after a transaction has occured, not a potential buyer or seller for something that hasn't happened yet unless the violations are particularly egregious.

Gcoap is in the wrong for leaving negative feedback for the sole reason that he wasn't responded to promptly. How do you know his mother didn't die in a horrible car crash and he was 1000 km away attending her funeral? If you were so concerned about purchasing his product you ought to have sent him another message asking if he'd received the previous one, that at least would have demonstrated something of a commitment to making a purchase. However by the sounds of it no other efforts were made on YOUR behalf to establish further communications, you just jumped to a hasty conclusion and utilized a tool which, by most standards, you hadn't the right to use yet.

I hope a mod is able to clear Gonepostal's record of this asinine charge.

Thank you I thought I was in the right but wanted to confirm. The last 2 weeks has been a whirlwind in my life. I am selling one battery to one guy because we confirmed shipping prices and what not. I thought the rest can wait.
The neg feedback removed or not is not a big deal since I will be leaving the country and airsoft in Canada :( That's why I have been so busy contemplating a job offer and then setting up everything related to that.
I just wanted to post this up to help to make sure this doesn't happen to someone else in the future.

Gcoap:

You were NOT commited to the sale man. If you EXCHANGED money, then negative him and take appropriate action.

If not, stop whining. Big deal you have to wait a little longer for your battery.

Crap happens in the world man, so suck it up and wait. In all honesty thats the bittersweet truth. If you don't like it, get a battery from someone else. Feedback is used to rate and TRANSACTION.

Thats it. Nothing else.

Even though people give negative feedback for flaking, I think thats bull. But thats my own opinion. Obviously if they were like oh I got the money!11!1one!1!eleven!1!1!! then made you blow off other sales, then fine, -, them. But deffinatley you are completely wrong in this case.

If i missunderstood the situations to use this in then pull it, but i had a negative experiance so i noted it as a warning for other people is that not what it is for?

But did you just read my post?

Yes it is to note negative experience. But stuff like yours is not even a big deal. He said he was very busy, so its up to you to be polite and wait if you want to buy from him. If you think you are in the right to give him a -. Then he is in by all means in the right to - you.

Just take it easy man. Wonder how many '-'s you may of given if you were part of the props canada order. Damn...

I, and as well as others think you are in the wrong for doing so.

Next time wait until the transaction is done. I could see if you sent money, and you got nothing deffinatley give a negative. If not, then chill a bit dude. And if he is taking too long, just drop it and find another seller.

Never bite the hand that feeds you.

Read what Phenom, Grphyon, and quikstrike wrote, they have explained in pretty basic terms what the tradeback system is for and what you did wrong.

People on ASC actually have LIVES (well, some of us do at least), Jobs, and responsibilities (Some of us have families). I doubt that selling something to you is #1 on their priority list. Also, learn how to check when the person was last online, thats a good way to see if they are just ignoring you or have actually been busy.

What you did, imo is the same as someone leaving a negative rating on ebay for slow shipping. Cause we all know it is hardly the sellers fault (unless seller forgets to ship the package) that the company that ships the product is slow.

alright so i did use it in the wrong situation, and about me not checking if he had gotten the PM he did and he was online atlest once a day through out the five day period, said nothing about being busy.

Stop trying to cover yourself, if he had the time to message you between that 5 day period then that would mean he isn't busy now wouldn't it?

Chill man. We've already said it all. If you still want it, contact him. If not. Then go look some more.

Plus you are only 17. You are probably living at home, and go to high school and maybe have a part time job.

Gonepostal is 23. Hes moving OUT OF THE COUNTRY. He's obviously damned busy. So relax, not like your in a huge rush man.

WTF??? That is the most fucking rediculous feedback and reason for negative feedback I've ever seen. Man if I left feedback for every PM that wasn't answered when I thought it should be answered......WOW.....just fucking wow.

Spoiled little brat, go back to sucking on your mommy's teet. I would prompt, everyone who reads this, to take note, and NEVER do business with you.

sorry to thread-jack, but what if a sale went through and when the item arrived to the buyer it was not as advertised? for instance, what if the seller used a local slang term to describe a part of the package which the buyer misunderstood as beiing something else.

again, im sorry to thread-jack but i thought that this might also be useful to others in the future. and i wanted to know if i was justified in giving -ve feedback

Well, it's always nicer to work it out with the seller before leaving negative feedback. You'd be surprise how reasonable people are sometimes.

If it's just a minor part of a deal, don't be a jerk to leave negative since everything else worked out. Just leave a note about the misunderstanding on a positive feedback.

At worst, I would leave a neutral feedback since it's partially your fault for not making sure. (But this depends what the "slang" was, and who's definition was more of a generally accepted term)

ok, i will be specific; seller was selling a ps2, in the thread he said that it was missing the remote. when i got it, the controller was missing. when i questioned him about it he said "i call it remote here, i dont care what you say, i sayed remote, for me thats the same shit"

should i have asked him if he really meant controller instead of remote? or if he really meant xbox instead of ps2? (im not tring to be snotty, but ive been asking myself the same questions for the last few days)

I think you are right on this case and the seller was misleading since controller is the general accepted term. Especially since the Original PS2 did come or have a remote (REAL remote to watch DVDs), so it's reasonable to assume that's what he was referring to.

If those were the words of the seller, I would leave a negative feedback, if he'd at least apologize about the confusion, it'd be a different story.

I would ask for some money back the seller to replace a controller.

Gonepostal: Test the process this way... does eBay allow you to leave any feedback for anyone who you have not actually executed a transaction with? Absolutely not, no transaction took place so there is nothing to render a judgement on. The Trader Rating system here is based on the eBay system by design and intent. Work the logic backwards.

Because the d-board does not actually control the transaction itself, it can't know if two people have executed a transaction and thus the feedback system is left open, so it is left up to the buyer and seller to manage the feedback appropriately.

I get about 2 to 15 emails/PMs a day for buying. I do my best to get back to everyone in a timely manner, but, sometimes I don't and it takes someone a second email to remind me to get them a quote. I've *never* had anyone leave me negative feedback on that basis - its understood I am using my best effort and if a buyer does not receive a response from a potential seller on a query, its pre-purchase, and its understood that the buyer can choose to shop elsewhere if they feel underserviced. But it is NO basis for negative feedback.

If I was a mod, I'd not only reverse that negative feedback but also educate the person who left it on how the trader feedback system is meant to be used. If they continued to leave others negative feedback without sales, I'd suspend their account privledges on the basis of abusing their privledges.

When the next version of the board comes online, trader feedback will be restricted to sales that concluded, I beleive - there will be an upgrade to the buy/sell section, most likely.

Not that this is to do with the problems in this thread, just fyi.

Oh yeah, and if I operated on the basis of giving someone bad feedback for not replying to me after a quote, there'd be red all over the board...

Yeah, really. This has to be one of the most rediculous trader feedback threads in forever.

thats horse shit, if there was no confirmed purchase agreement he cant leave neg feedback. i pm guys all the time to see if it avail, how much w/ shipping then decide after a day if its what i want. if the seller takes too long to get back to you, find another seller, or be patient, its not like all they do is sit infront of their comp waiting on the buyer.

Here's a thing to remember. There is time difference and such so yeah don't expect a reply in like 6-10 hours. This is also a good reason for you to include your location!

I can vouch for gonepostal... I'm his roommate, and he's been busy as hell getting his shit together to move his entire life down to the states for his new job. I've barely seen him in the last week...
So airsoft is quite low on his priority list (especially since he's thinking about unloading all his softing-gear)... which btw we're gonna lose a good player very soon.
On a related tangent regarding the batteries... we'll be at the FR game this Saturday... if anyone wants to buy these batteries, PM us.