KWC mini Uzi or TM MP7
 

First of all, one of these is going to be my first good* airsoft gun. I want to get the MP& because It looks cool, and it comes with everything. But, I wan to get the Uzi because it is really powerful, and it looks even cooler than the MP7.

The only thing thats stopping me from getting the Uzi is the 'cool down effect' I dont want to change the CO2 cylinder for every other magazine I use. Also, Does the high FPS mean I cant use it as a skirmishing weapon? :???:

Thanks alot,
Adam


*By 'good' I mean not a Crosman

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With that out of the way, the Mini UZI shoots between 450 and 500 fps. About the only place you'd be allowed to skirmish with that gun is Hong Kong.

Dude for the price of the mp7 you could get a much better/skirmishable gun.

Don't even bother with that Uzi.



-Cheese

You know, TM does make an actual full size UZI.

Though I don't think it's much for upgrades (IE. No heavy spring upgrades, the gearbox won't handle it), it will outdue the MP7 in most if not all ranges and it is battery opertated, not gas. Likely cheaper too.

Have you looked into that? There is a review on Arnie's.
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filn...uzi_review.htm


The MP7 won't compete well against AEGs, other than indoors.

The KWC is just too powerful. You wouldn't be able to use that on any field in Canada.


As well as that, the CO2 cartriges do cost about $0.75 per... if you're only getting 30 or so shots, it will greatly increase your costs.

So, basiacally, neither. Im going to look into the TM uzi. Im also looking into the TM FAMAS. Thanks alot guys!

Just to give you a heads up, you picked the least upgradable airsoft guns ever made.

:lol:

If you do plan to do any upgrades, you're likely better off to go with the UZI. The FAMAS tends to be more on the totally unupgradable. The UZI just has a weak mechbox, though, it is a V6 (?) like the Thompson, P90, etc. So it is upgradable....


Whatever you decide to take... Good luck! :salute:

the mechbox in the TM UZI is made of plastic, and not that strong so I would recommend you keep it stock. The TM MP7 is not that bad. It's a complete package too, you get the gun, one mag, battery, charger and a silencer adaptor. That's a pretty good package for the price. The KWC uzi on CO2 would mean you can't use it in games, it's too powerful to use. The guns that are listed here would be best used in a CQB setting, so I would suggest the MP7. Or the MP5K is also good too.

Hell, for a first gun, why not someting thats highly upgradable, durable, and simple? I think a TM AK-47 is for you (or a AKS or an AK Beta Spetznas...).

Cheers!
Alex

Agreed. TM AK-47 full stock is a great starter gun.

Can't beat it. The spetz is alright too but I'd suggest avoiding the 'S' as it can only take a small battery (internally). Batteries taped to the exterior of a gun just don't look all that hot as far as I'm concerned.

I do own the KWC Mini UZI and that gun actually kicks ass. You don't have to use CO2 in it. I have mags that take CO2 catridges and ones that take propane.

I heard the KWC mini uzi had problems on propane, or maybe i'm thinking of something else. Anyways yeah if you want something more compact for indoor cqb games go for the AK beta spetz. If you want something gas powered you could go for a KSC M11 or HFC T77.

A) You've owned a FAMAS? And you've attempted to upgrade it?

or

B) You've read ignorant bullshit on the web, haven't bothered doing your homework, and are now trying to make yourself sound salty by repeating it?



I'm gonna go with "B."


Fact: Given the field limits in Canada, the FAMAS is just about as upgradable as other AEGs. I wouldn't put an M120 in it. But I wouldn't put an M120 into a stock v2 either. But that's about the extent of the "unupgradability."


Freedom Fighter, what's the velocity like with Propane? And performance? Been debating getting those adapters for mine... Would love to be able to skirmish it.

Salty and repeating it.

But if you can't replace the motor without heavy mods, can't replace the spring higher than a 120, low selection of any replacement parts, any aftermarket parts to my knowledge.

I mean.. my opinion is 'under-upgradable'.

Anyway, I have not owned one, and do to my biased standards of stay-away-from-TM, I likely won't own one.

CA all the way! Now get that AUG and G3 out!

I did some chrony testing with a KWC mini uzi.

Using 0.25g BBs, first shot from the magazine and a brand new CO2 powerlet busted out a whopping 493fps.

That amount of energy is equivalent to ~560fps with 0.20g BBs.

Well, personally I prefer the EG560HT to the EG700. Maybe it's a combination of the higher torque motor and the faster gearing in the FAMAS, but I just always felt it was performing better. (so it goes without saying, I was really happy to see the new EG1000S in my G36)

A spring stronger than a Systema M120 would pretty much put you over the legal field limits in Canada, hence why I think it's moot. I use a PDI140% in mine, I'm sure it would handle a 150% spring, too -- which combined with the long (~ M16-length) barrel would put you in the high 300 FPS range.

Piston and piston head are the same as v2/v3, Systema metal bushings fit, and that pretty much covers the bulk of common AEG upgrades people do.

Points against the FAMAS though, for a first gun, is a lot of plastic, and really hard to get to anything without disassembling the whole gun (and with screws going right into plastic, its not something you want to do carelessly). It also needs some disassembling and electical taping right out of the box, to kill the plastic on plastic squeeks. (but then again, so did my G36 :( )

I hope CA has gotten good. I'm looking at their soon-to-come AK74.

Adam_c
I think alot of these guys that are telling not to get the MP7 is because they KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

I own one, my forth gun. I have to say this is the best gun I have owned.
IT IS FULLY UPGRADABLE. Just look on the WWW

But it has a small baby battery, you say, well either buy an upgrade battery plug or pull the top rail off and wire up a mini plug bolt it back together. Or use the awesome little battery that comes with it. I have shot 900+ rounds out of my MP7 before the battery goes.

Th gun come with rails so you can add all the bling you want with a silencer it is deadly quiet, and you can get barrel upgrades, that will give you more length then a MP5. (I know you have to buy a new barrel, get a new job if you can't afford it)

Straight up the MP7 is a crazy bullet hose, ask anyone that has seen it at our JOC nights. At first people were like ya it's cool but it's slow and so small and all that crap. Now dudes are commonly saying "i'm getting one of those and leaving my M4 for outdoors.

Let the haters be just that, most of them are regurgitating info that they didn't come up with and have only seen the MP7 in pics.

Flame away haters flame away

The MP7 is certainly upgradable, but for $500 we ought to have gotten something you shouldn't need to upgrade right away. TM promised some 300 fps stock which turned out to be woefully inaccurate. After having played with one and noticed TM still hasn't figured out that moly coating and parkerizing looks FAR better than their shitty gloss black spray paint, I got a CA MP5 instead.

I think thats the clincher about the MP7. It sorta got advertised as an AEG, for the most part. Even HK retailers have it under AEGs rather than AEPs, and it has the pricetag to match.

But lets be honest, it's an AEP. It's bigger, and performs better than other AEPs, but it isn't an AEG.

Getting an MP7 with the intention of using it as an AEG will probably leave you feeling cheated. If it's your first and only AEG, you'll probably be disappointed.

But on the other hand, if you get the MP7 for it's intended purpose -- basically as a sidearm / uberpistol -- it rocks. Okay, the pricetag still blows. But the 250 FPS performance is on par with a stock japanese GBB, and with electric power it'll never be too cold to field, and it'll never suffer cooldown effects even if you empty the entire magazine in FA.

It seems like it would make a nice alternative to a Glock 18C/23F, or other compact gas SMGs, probably being less troublesome than gas guns (I love my gas guns, but I know a lot of people get annoyed with their idiosyncrasies).

For a sniper, for example, it'd probably make a great alternative to "just a pistol" and wouldn't be very cumbersome to carry.

I wanna get one. I'm just hoping the prices get less stupid.

Yeah but for $500 you get the gun, battery, charger and silencer adaptor. That's a pretty good deal if you ask me. Besides you don't need to upgrade it right away, and upgrade internals aren't that expensive (unless you upgrade everything with bells and a glass of chardonay).

I would reccommend the TM MP7. You can even get holsters for them and use it as a sidearm. I was down at Dave's today and they said they were gettin some in.

If it's a new guy's first gun and the person in question doesn't know where he/she will be playing (ie: woodland, CQB, the bronx ect...) and if price is an issue then the MP7 begins to look bad compared to a good used AEG.

There's plenty of deals to be had. Examples?
1)There's an aug for $350 with two mags, an RDS, a battery and a silencer on our local forums.
2)My friend just recently bought a G36C with an upgraded rail and open sights
plus at battery, 2 lows, and a sniper mag for $530.


I'm not bashing the MP7 - I'm saying for a noob on a budget who wants to get skirmishing quickly and without further ado maybe the MP7 isn't the BEST solution.As previously stated: If it's bought for it's intended purpose (CQB & sidearm) then the MP7 is an awesome buy.



-Cheese

Get an MP5, its more useable than an MP7, and won't break any rules like the KWC. However I get to skirmish my Mini uzi...suckers.

I don't understand this reasoning my TM Styer Aug was 500, my buddies last TM M4A1 was 500 everyones gun is $500 if you buy it new, and you still need battery and charger but the MP7 comes with charger and battery. If you order from http://www.doubleedgeairsoft.com you can get a MP7 with an extra mag for 495.00

The MP7 is a little over board as a sidearm/secondary in my opinion, I will be using it as a secondary though when I am playin in a sniper role. I use my MP7 mainly as my indoor primary. Many people scoffed when I first purchased it, stating the same lame objections, now MP7s are popping everywhere.

Wanna know whats overboard for a sidearm, my uzi, I carry it with me for sniping...along with my glock.

Sweet! I was going to pack my Uzi as a sidearm while sniping this weekend. Of course I'll still have to pack my hicapa, you can never have enough firepower when they start hunting the sniper... :)

Yeah, totally true, and when I get my S&W M500, I may pack that with me too.