FMC Full-Metal Diemaco C8... a mere probability, or a miracle?
 

Hmm...
It seems a Taiwanese company, FMC, has decided to release a C8. This information is a bit different here, but while talking to the poster I realized that it's not 100% spot on, they DO make the Diemaco C8, and are willing to distribute them.
While not being an expert on these (actually, far from it), from what I can interpret and from my talking to David, this gun actually seems quite good.
Also, it seems that it comes with a battery charger and a pre-installed M120 spring.

Information is on this site:
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...pic=43597&st=0

Ah...

Why can't they put a 110 M in it? Like... a stock gun with 120 m?

That's the only reason I didn't buy G&P. Wa-a-ay too hot for beginners - and with that price, there'll be alot of them with these.

m110 is another flavor...yes I am the guy who is part of FMC. Still in R&D boys and girls. Go to arnies for pictures.

Does a $220 USD full metal gun strike you fellas as a bit odd? How much care and how many quality parts must be going into these guns? Guarder quality? I would doubt that very much.

The actual guns might need to be sold for more than $220 USD for the company to make any measurable profit. I'm sure they also know making crap wont get them far in the "real" airsoft world. I would not be surprised if FMC was planning on taking a short term loss and a long term gain with the arrival of many new customers as the word about "cheap" yet reliable AEGs spreads.

Afterall, small profit per gun doesn't matter if they're shipping out hundreds per day.


-Cheese

does sound a little fishy but hey i would be up for it at that price

if you think about the logic of business in the orient, i'm not surprised. when you go to an electronics store and see a plasma tv for example selling for $1799, you think "yeah right, must be a p.o.s." but were did company x get the plasma cell and driver board? it may very well have come from company y, an independent producer of only those components who supplies the same parts for major manufacturers that you would feel very confident in their quality. this is only an example from consumer electronics and these practices are followed in every aspect of consumer products throughout asia. does a company like tm actually manufacture every single component for their guns. of course not. that would mean having large facilities for metalworks, plastics of varying type and r&d as well as assembly. it is utterly impossible and outside their thought bubble. the way these companies work is to find a supplier for gears, another one for body parts, another one for motors, etc. and then either they assemble themselves or go to a separate assembly plant. this is why so many parts in so many different guns from so many brands are either absolutely identical of are so similar as to have come from only 1 or maybe 2 places. we take for granted that a tm was actually made by tm and not someone else. this can also be said for companies like g&g, g&p and many smaller companies. does guarder actually make guarder parts or do they get gears from one supplier, spring from another, etc.? this is far more likely and if someone wants to use parts from the same guys who supply guarder, i say go for it. i wouldn't be too quick to judge just yet. time will tell if they're on the level or not.

I KNEW I was saving my money for something....

In the thread the contact guy mentioned the posibility of a Steyr Scout...SWEET.

I eagerly await a review.

Guarder margins are insane. Carl's selling his stuff for a hell of a lot lower than MSRP, and Guarder is of course still making some ridiculous bling off of even a relatively small number of sales.

First off, my friend is a retailer...you dont even know how much it cost to make a gun. The price just to manufacture 1 AEG is less than 40 USD. We do distribution in the US, so we know what we are talking about. Don't believe if you'd like, then we just wont distribute to Canada, if we see no interest :(

no no, bring your goodies here : D

Not going to distribute the Canadian gun to Canada? :roll:

Of cource there would be interest. Just need a review out to check up on the internals as most Canadians are hardasses (excuse the term) due to the cold weather up here - always skeptical of anything other than TM.

Send a few up! On Tru! On DE! On Dasher and Dancer! On Will! On Frank and Etc!
:xmas:

If you are indeed who you say you are...PLEASE MAKE THE SCOUT! I guarantee you one buyer if the quality is there.

david3558, you don't work for airsoft elite, do you?

Making threats = bad business

Also telling us that you make ths guns for under $40 USD may cause some of that bad business too... especially when we will have to pay $500+ once it's in Canada.

The assembly cost of the guns may be ~$40, but I don't think the total cost of each component PLUS $40 is that low.

In any case, I'm interested in how this product will turn out. Hope to hear more about it soon.

remember though that a guarder ftk that we pay $200 can. for probably cost $20 u.s. at the manufacturing level. sounds crazy, but absolutely true. the asian markets know how to make a shitload of money off the north american retailer. just ask wal-mart. btw, ho many hands have those guarder parts been thru from manufacturing to you, with duties, taxes, freight and mark-up at each step. minimum 4 times, but likely more.

Take the Nike example and apply it to Airsoft.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lorma.../nike101-8.htm

The raw materials might be $40 US, but there's no way a full metal AEG costs less than $40 US to produce.

Hey,
A necropost, but considering I started it in the first place and have news on the gun, I assume it's excusable.
Click the link for a picture of the receiver:
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...=post&id=16304
The FMC executive apologizes for the poor Photoshop job (hence, the pixel-infected area near the rear), but as for the trademarks and the general shape, it looks amazing.
I'll update with more info, seems that I'll be the guinea-pig to try one of these.

Here we go.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...o/74cb0c88.jpg

Truly looks stunning.

If the internals are good, very good chance that this may be one of my first (if not THE first gun) I (IE my parents) purchase.

Def. looking forward to a good review of sorts.

Working with Sam (Sam0182 on these boards, www.bcairsoftsupply.com), I'll be bringing forward a review shortly, along with one other. He'll be stocking them, you can inquire if you wish.
Review, pictures, and perhaps a short movie (perhaps with a comparison or two, target shooting, and perhaps an action one) shall follow. Cheers ;-)

Looks awesome...nice to see Canadian weapons are getting some reconiztion. Kudos to Sam on finding cool stuff

Which C8?


I want one with an ambi-mag release and safety. If *any* company could do an AEG like that, hell even just a body would be nice, I'd be on one like a fat kid on a smartie. ;)

Heh, what's the P on the selector stand for?...Phire!?

Should be an R for Repetition, no?

J

P = PH34R!

Hmm...
Can someone who has experience with real-steels clarify this? I'm afraid that I don't know if it's 'P' or 'R', and they have promised to correct it if it's wrong.

What about the C7? :cry: They are never made. A full C7A2 would be awsome! :angel:

It is "R" for Repetition. I guess they didn't get a close enough look at a C7/C8 reciever.

I just checked and it is an "R".

Thanks, I'll pass it along to the company.

That is the only receiver with Diemaco logos. The "R" will replace the mistaken "P", thanks for you help guys. Just so you know, I am the US Marketing Manager of FMC.

finally a Cx metal body with correct serial number formatting! huzzah!

C7a1 would be nice

The FMC site is up - nothing much as is, but it will be updated.

www.fmcairsoft.com

We should have a sample of the C8 body in Canada in about six weeks to be reviewed and will set up a pre-order from there. New pics will be coming soon.

Ambi-safety and mag release. That's all I ask for.

Yeah but the real one doesn't have that..... Besides, being a lefty-shooter myself, I can say I have no problem with using the mag release or fire selector the way they are. Sure it might be handier to have ambi ones, but I can deal without them.

Any update on the Steyr Scout possibility?

Anyone heard or seen anything resent about thier HK 416 bodies?
I was hoping to grab one of each for projects but have only been able to find talk on the C8 so far.

416 is off for awhile. Emphasis is on the C8 body and then the full-blown AEG.

That's cool it'll give me a chance to work on the C8 than grab a 416 in the future.
I can't wait to see what else they make up, FMC seems to be a realy promising manufacturer from what I've seen of thier plans.

*Updated FMC C8 Pics*

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4124/c815ap.th.png

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9066/c825ty.th.png

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6018/c831qo.th.png

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4161/c849qy.th.png

Thanks to www.fmcairsoft.com for the pics.

I should have a sample to my US office in a couple/three weeks and it'll be then shipped around Canada for review. Pre-order is to open late April/early May.

Here's a quick-fix for the click lazy people out there.
Wow... from what I see, it looks great. And, they corrected the P/R problem.

http://www.fmcairsoft.com/images/c8bodykit/pic1.jpg
http://www.fmcairsoft.com/images/c8bodykit/pic2.jpg
http://www.fmcairsoft.com/images/c8bodykit/pic3.jpg
http://www.fmcairsoft.com/images/c8bodykit/pic4.jpg

http://diemaco.com/c8-page.htm

Optional, and I was under the impression the gov got the A2 revisions equipped with ambis. ;)

Maybe the A2s, I could be mistaken, but I know the A1s don't have an ambi safety for sure.

will it have a working ejection port cover?

hmmm good point I've only seen pics of the trade marked side too.

Where'd the stock tube go in the 2nd picture? I cant wait for this order.

they cut it off with PS :P


-Cheese

Any news on this? Or did it drop off?

Don't quote me on this, but the company's turned their focus to Canada, as opposed to America. Their pre-order didn't go too well there, which is what my understanding is- but that's America. I can't see why that many people would want C8 bodies there, in the first place.
I think there may be a pre-order soon, here.

When will we see the full AEG?

+1 on what Bob said.

Six months for a full blown AEG is my guess? They've turned their attention to the full metal project right now...

I plan on getting one of these for my M4.

www.warfare.ca said they are ordering some in now from FMC

Anybody used this body yet? a review would be nice.

Nobody has used that body yet.