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LocKed&LoAdeD December 5th, 2005 20:16

hows is work
 
how does the shotgun bulet work? look at the TM shock Shell- http://www.007airsoft.com/products/h...nes-spring.htm

does it only shoot 1 BB at a time or all 30 in a shot? can i only use 1 BB at a time?

Grim Fandango December 5th, 2005 20:24

TM shotshells shoot 3 bbs. When you pump it, it loads 3 bbs into 3 inner barrels. There is a way to mod it so you can pump it more than once and load more BBs though.

gamer123 December 5th, 2005 21:10

shotguns are cool, but shooting 3 bbs per pump/shot just far from enough

Mantelope December 5th, 2005 21:12

It's got about the same spread as a real shotgun, and they're damn effective if you have any aim.

Canadian Psycho December 5th, 2005 23:45

they are good, i have used one, you don't really have to aim much as the bb's spread out making it easier to hit someone. the only downside is you have to count how many shots you have taken so you know when to reload. but that can be avoided if you adapt the shell to a "hi-cap" basicly you mod a shell to have a hi cap mag hanging from the bottom, then you just shoot, and not worry about how many you are shootin. theres a guide to that mod somewhere, I can't remember though, maybe one of the other guys know.

bean December 5th, 2005 23:51

arnies under projects

Greylocks December 6th, 2005 06:29

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Originally Posted by gamer123
shotguns are cool, but shooting 3 bbs per pump/shot just far from enough

And what is your personal experience at games with a Marui to say that?
I own an M3, and I certainly DONT feel left out of games when I use it.

It's simple, dependable, has decent range. Simply put, it works. It's great in brush woods or CQB situations.

Does it match an upgraded AEG? No. Is it shit? No.

To answer the original question; think of the shotshell like a magazine instead. It loads 3 rounds at a time in the 3 barrels. So it's a small 10-shot magazine.

gamer123 December 6th, 2005 11:13

rs i believe shoot atleast 10 per shot, when it shoot too little bbs per shot (1-3) it just doesnt feel right to me for the definition of shotgun, it sure is cool, but i think at least 5bbs per shot for airsoft would be nicer

Greylocks December 6th, 2005 18:49

So you really dont know... please dont make any recommendations for or against a gun you've never owned or tried?

Droc December 6th, 2005 21:53

[QUOTE=Greylocks]
Quote:

Originally Posted by gamer123
I own an M3, and I certainly DONT feel left out of games when I use it.

games? whats games?

back on topic
yes, shotguns may have some purpose. But they simply dont have enough firepower to be usefull. Even in CQB, they are to large to pit against a good GBB. With some of the newer GBBs(sig and hi-capa) that are deadly accurate, the shotgun doesnt have any real advanatge. In the field or bush, a TM shotgun simply doesnt cut it. I have never been killed by a shotgun.
Reloading is slow, range is that of a stock gun or less.
Dont expect to use it against an AEG unless you have skills like Jesus, an AEG on semi will cut you down in no time.
The TM ones are very plastic, feel/look fake and have been known to jam.

Marushin makes the full metal gas shotgun. It has excellent range and awsome power. and you can load more the 3 BBs.... But $$$

gamer123 December 6th, 2005 22:06

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Originally Posted by Greylocks
So you really dont know... please dont make any recommendations for or against a gun you've never owned or tried?

i dont own one because i've tried my friends and it didnt feel too good, so no buy

Droc December 6th, 2005 22:11

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Originally Posted by gamer123
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greylocks
So you really dont know... please dont make any recommendations for or against a gun you've never owned or tried?

i dont own one because i've tried my friends and it didnt feel too good, so no buy

agreed
I have used a bunch of assorted shotguns, and aside from the marushin M500, I wouldnt touch any of them....especially the TM ones. I think you'd be better using harsh language or a straw and a BB.

Kid December 6th, 2005 22:12

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Originally Posted by Droc
Dont expect to use it against an AEG unless you have skills like Jesus, an AEG on semi will cut you down in no time.

That's not really true... haha, I just have to bring this up again... still can't get over it.
I was behind a shed of some sort at the beginning of the game... when it started I peaked out and raised my rifle to shoot...
The battery went bad again, I decocked it (ICS) and tried again, it would not turn over. I set the gun against a tree and take out a clear springer, the Walmart kind, then I look out again... I see the guy I was shooting at was hit.
I slowly peak out from behind the shed and see the remaining guy left, with a TM AK behind a tree not far away, I was in his sites.
After going around the shed to try and find a good place, I see a small plastic box type thing, maybe a breaker box... it was about 3 feet tall and 2.5 feet wide... but it was between the him and me.
I slowly crept towards it, knowing well that he knew where I was.
Ping Ping! Shots bounced off the shed and I ducked my head, moving slowly towards it, then as I come nearer... he moves to the left and I move to the right to again block his shot. Then as I approch the box it shakes and I hit the ground as a rain of fire falls apon it.
It stopped, I popped my head up and shot, he was no more than 25 feet from me, I missed. I ducked down again after shots rang out.
It stopped again and I stuck my gun up, 'Pop!'

He called his hit and I stood... I had beaten him... though I was using a Walmart springer and only had 5 shots, I took two and hit him... he was standing there shocked, as was the other that had went down before. I was 2/3 his age. He had an TM AEG, I a Daisy springer, the bastard child of Crosman, yet I had won....

:tup:

LocKed&LoAdeD December 6th, 2005 22:40

ty droc.

gamer123 December 6th, 2005 22:43

Kid, in your case it was all luck, or maybe the TM AEG guy was newbie. Also, I believe that Crosman/Daisy shotguns shoot one BB per shot/pump. Ruin the purpose/definition of shotgun? imo yes.

HGI December 7th, 2005 01:21

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Originally Posted by LocKed&LoAdeD
hows is work

I dont work, I'm just a EI bumb.

LucidFox December 7th, 2005 07:14

I need to get applications but yeah...

Silence_1029 December 7th, 2005 21:46

i never used a shotgun before, but 1-3 shots per pump? id rather have a smg in that case cuz 1-3 bbs dont make a big spread

Greylocks December 8th, 2005 06:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silence_1029
i never used a shotgun before, but 1-3 shots per pump? id rather have a smg in that case cuz 1-3 bbs dont make a big spread

Again, until you have used one, what is the basis of your opinion?

There are times when an AEG will rule, for example when longer ranges are involved or quantity matters. But when you are in the brush-woods, a Marui shotgun is just fine.

Droc December 8th, 2005 09:17

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Originally Posted by Greylocks
Quote:

Originally Posted by Silence_1029
i never used a shotgun before, but 1-3 shots per pump? id rather have a smg in that case cuz 1-3 bbs dont make a big spread

Again, until you have used one, what is the basis of your opinion?

There are times when an AEG will rule, for example when longer ranges are involved or quantity matters. But when you are in the brush-woods, a Marui shotgun is just fine.

the only possible situation in the bush where it could come in handy is if you can get close enough without being noticed(ambush)....but in that case, a GBB, NBB, Springer or even a straw with a BB would work. Atleast with a springer pistol, you have mobility.
Even at thick bush like Foxden, a shotgun has no advantage over anything(say maby harsh language or McDonalds farts).

But say you have a Marushin M500 8mm running on propane...then its a different story. Aside from having an awsome full metal shotgun, you have awsome range, can fire more then 3 BBs, and has the 8mm that can cut through bush like crazy.

HGI December 8th, 2005 15:27

Keep in mind somebody with a shotgun can run through the bush faster and unseen. Than anyone with a 20lb upgraded M4A1 with 10 or more lowcaps.

I use to own a M4/M203 with 11 lowcaps and the thing was heavy after being all geared up. Then switched to a M3 super90 fullstock, I took off my vest and just had my GBB in my dropleg. Then you must master the art of shotgun ninja's!

Silence_1029 December 8th, 2005 16:47

but the point of a shotgun is too cover a wide area...

Mantelope December 8th, 2005 16:50

Have you ever fired either a TM or a real shotgun?

endLess December 8th, 2005 16:54

Since this sorta relates to this thread i will ask it here. How does an m4 frag works?

Mantelope December 8th, 2005 17:01

I'm assuming you mean 40mm grenades. They're like many little tubes with BBs and a gas reservoir.

endLess December 8th, 2005 17:17

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Originally Posted by harleyb
I'm assuming you mean 40mm grenades. They're like many little tubes with BBs and a gas reservoir.

What happens when you shoot it out? Does the grandes lanch out and then the bb's shoot out?

Mantelope December 8th, 2005 17:18

The BBs launch, that's it. It looks kind of like a net of BBs.

endLess December 8th, 2005 17:22

Oh! I see now, thanks for the clarification.

Silence_1029 December 8th, 2005 21:40

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Originally Posted by harleyb
Have you ever fired either a TM or a real shotgun?

yeah actualy i have several times, actualy my step-dad owned five (4 12gauges and one 20 gauge).

Mantelope December 8th, 2005 23:45

And you think that the spread from the guns is actually greater than that of the airsoft version?

HarDcoreChronie December 9th, 2005 00:46

shots rule
 
i owned a m3 w/ sawed off barrel mod. bought it used with a stock spring inside of it with who knows how many shots that were fired and dry fired by previous owner. i got it cheap. Never had a shotgun, friend has a spas, i wanted M3. That shotgun was absolutely fantastic. Shell mount via velcro on the left side of the chamber, reloading was quicker than a bat out of hell. CQB was a blast. Auto trigger.

Phat guns like Phat cars, phat anythnigs, are usually 1 of 2 things.
1; amazing tools... but useless without the right user.
or 2; a compinsation for (a) ___________ ...

Good ol' Shotties can be as useful "in the hands of a skilled player" as Super Giga Aegs can be, "in the hands of a skilled player". Just because u havent experience YET doesnt mean u still arent learning..

Love all airsoft guns and live in peace and harmony
we are lucky we still have them


p.s. SHOTGUN NINGAS RULE!!

and yes... "i have fired many shotguns".. all kinds.. sir.

Silence_1029 December 9th, 2005 08:37

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Originally Posted by harleyb
And you think that the spread from the guns is actually greater than that of the airsoft version?

it depends what type of shot you are using with the shotgun (bird shot, skeet shot, buck shot, or slug which is actualy one huge bullet)

Dirty Deeds December 9th, 2005 10:00

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Originally Posted by Silence_1029
.....or slug which is actualy one huge bullet)

Betcha didn't know that HarleyB..... :-P

Mantelope December 9th, 2005 13:07

I actually did know that one, seriously! Ok, a TM shotgun has way more spread then a slug.

I'm basing my info off of this page: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm
00 buckshot seems to have a spread of about two feet at a range of 50 feet. A TM shotgun, while only firing three BBs, will cover the same if not more area at the same range.

Silence_1029 December 11th, 2005 15:55

obviously it has a bigger spread then a slug...

silent_lemon December 12th, 2005 06:21

i agree with greylocks though...it does come in handy according to certain playstyles. We all play a different role, and fill it using different equipment. So to each their own.

Ive owned a TM spas 12 and a TM m3 fullstock...they were both great. I liked the spas 12 for the huge grip to cock and the smaller stock, (im 5'9"), but the looks of the m3 were far better imo.

Here in BC at panther, we have city battles in the mock 'city', which are composed of springers and gbbs only. and sometimes stockish aegs on semi only. Anyhow, a 3 shot shotty is no underdog in that situation; i found it was actually quite effective, not even mentioning how awesomely fun it is to be cocking the gun after each shot..like a real one, then having the shell drop out, and ramming another into it and going again.. Some of my greatest city moments are with one of those shotties...

however, in the bush, long ranges, money's on aeg:/


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