EH... I *DON'T* think so...
 

http://cgi.ebay.ca/JTF-2-CADPAT-TW-C...QQcmdZViewItem

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression he's either:

A) Stealing stuff to sell it (How else do you acquire it? Sure isn't surplus, and the our DoD is pretty tight on keeping gear in the system!) Until they hit used, non-repairable status, they are deemed a controlled matter (if it's true, of course).

B) BS'ing (the more likely answer). Just look at his other options, people are gobbling this stuff up (look at the "CADPAT AR BDUs" - same problem, controlled item, or should be).

High Speed
 

I by no means know for sure, but don't guys operating at that level pretty much buy allot of their own stuff, on DoD budget?

Who really knows in that outfit what is "standard"?

Anyone?

says its from
Eugene, Oregon
United States

so who knows...

Extremely Rare Canadian JTF-2
Canadian Special Forces Issue!

CADPAT (TW) Temperate Woodland
VEST, LOAD, CHEST HARNESS, TYPE A, GEN 4
Size 1 / STYLE 7128-1
PACIFIC SAFETY PRODUCTS, INC.

I used to work for PACIFIC SAFETY PRODUCTS. I got family who still works there and gets me materials every now and then. These vests were assembled in Kanora BC if im not mistaken, but the Arnprior section did some parts and the initial design and prototype(i know, I tried it on), I know they are doing a huge order of JTF-2 gear right now.

Nice thing though, is that everything to come off the factory floor is recoreded and gets serial numbers. Stupidly enough, this guy took a pic of the tag. Each vest or gear is specifically made for a specific person(except for huge orders of vests ie: OPP or customs) so technically, the factory floor should be able to track each product to the person who it was made for....and if that person doesnt have it, bingo. They arnt even allowed to trash them, they have to send them back to us and we destroy them.

Still doesn't change the fact they're a controlled item...


In the case it actually is real, I hope whomever is "giving" these away doesn't care about their employment!

Shit even the material is controlled, I know, I tried getting some of it myself!

it is controlled. My step-dad gets me webbing and materials, and I been bugging for some real CADpat, but there is no way, even for our hunting buddy who works invintory, to get any out.

Ill pass the tag pic on and the ebay link.

k, I passed it on to PSP. they should be able to invintory it against the person who it was issued to. Will update when I find out more.

im all for getting my hands on real JTF2 gear, but lets face it, thats not legal...and at best, should stay in canada.

Hmm It could be, That company has make flak jackets/ect for the DND/RCMP/Ect so it very well could be real.

But then again, I've seen the issue cf tac vest cadpat material, and it in no way looks like that "JTF-2" vest. It looks like the crap HSGI & CP Gear uses.

One little detail, The seller NEVER shows the back side of the pouches where say a BRAND TAG would be located.....

Kinda looks like THIS, but chopped & sewed a little bit.

Another thing, The brand tag, why he hiding the stitching on it? Also you'd think it would be sewn on ALL AROUND, not just a quick strip across the top.

Also, The mag pouches look EXACTLY like the ones @ the local surplus.

Well there is one thing ya could do, Call the company and ask them about the legitacy of this product. (That's exactly what I'd do, and have done before. ;) )

Well thats about all my 16yrs of watching COPS has brought to my attention..

Not bad for almost 7am and still cranked out. :lol:

Nice. :lol:

In any case, it's a lose-lose situation for him. Either he's mis-advertising the product, or he's selling a controlled item.

true, but Im positive that is a PSP lable. And the ones we did were heated on, not sticked. Carried had lables stiched, pannels had them pressed on.
but im sure its possible to reproduce a lable

I cant comment much on the actual vest itself, I seen the JTF-2 prototype, but it was just that, a prototype. most of my work was done with the vests and the EOD 8, EOD 7B.

It is the Issue JTF2 chest rig.
there were a tonne of pictures on Canadian Peacekeepers forums.

HSGI does not sell products made in CADPAT. If a dealer wants a product in CADPAT they must send the material to HSGI and they will make it.

It falls on the dealer to supply real CADPAT, not HSGI.

It does however look like real CADPAT, same material as my issued one.

I think he's got someone in the CF sending him gear.
He sells quite abit of CF gear and even has another sniper suit n a pair of gloves on auction right now.
There's probably not much that can be done to him in the states, but it's kind of shitty for someone in the CF to be doing so when we've got enough soldiers who don't have enough kit as it is.
(If infact that's what he's doing)

Hell who know's if he's actually even located in the US though, until you get a package from him and see where it's shipped from.

Very possible it's a repro... only way we'd *fully* know would be under IR lighting...

I know sometimes that PSP prototypes that aren't going into production or "sales demo" pieces occassionally "fall off the truck"...

P.S. Droc... big fan of the 8... nice improvement on the 7B... alot easier to work in... still hot but great... good work!

It looks a lot like the MULE system sold by that website... cant remember the name, but they have stuff in CADPAT(R).

I wonder how he managed to get those gloves because they are probbly more controled than that vest.

Not only that, but if you look at his feedback, he's already sold a bunch of Sniper suits and who knows what else. It's all the real deal stuff.

It's real.

Haven't seen any knockoffs yet but will certainly be keeping an eye out, heh.

Have only seen pics of the vest and chestrig (in Cad) on army.ca forums.

As well as a set in Marpat on an airsoft forum...Nice btw (you know who you are) ;)

At any rate I doubt they are too worried about A chestrig on the market.

Could even be a factory second I suppose.

Certainly a nice piece of kit...the Patrol Vest looks even cooler, imo

Now to get my hands on one, :)

J

No... the gloves are definately much easier to get then the vest. They're being issued to everyone now. All you need to do is bring your old gloves and liners up to stores and they'll give you the new gloves and new "liners" (for lack of a better word, but they don't really line anything... just thinner gloves.) no questions asked. Although you do need to be a CF member to do that...

I'd say the vest is harder to get for sure if it is legit because no normal grunt is issued kit like that...

But anyways, it sure would be nice if we were issued that rather then the crappy tac vests we have now.

:-D :-D :-D

And to think, there are guys who love them :-?

Patrol vest? What is this you speak of? Is it shiny? Do I want one? ;-) Just kidding Jan. Long time no see.

Must be pretty nice when you know someone in the supply chain at Dwyer Hill Training Center to hook you up.

I'm sure numerous CF personnel have already seen the auction and taken appropriate action regarding the seller's posession of CF gear. PSP, DND HQ, and DHTC don't need our help and all this is whining is starting to sound like sour grapes because it's out of our price range or unable to get it BACK into Canada.


Before we all get high and mighty, how many non-CF personnel on this forum are in posession of CADPAT? How many pics of people wearing issue CADPAT are in the photo gallery? Anyone ratted them out? Negative.

ebay link has been passed onto the boss of the Aegis Arnprior section of PSP.

Checked other CADPAT auctions... someone is selling trousers in 46 waist. Fourty bloody Six! Why do they even bother making 'em that big?!

Because there are some fatass LOG wogs or other REMF's who need 'em.

It sold for $850us 8O

That had to hurt.

At that price i'd almost expect oral from that piece of nylon porn...

So a question for those in the know... When you are a regular member in the army, do you have to use issued gear, or can you spend your own dollars and purchase your own kit? What kind of restrictions/regulations do they have regarding this? Does it have to be Cadpat, or can it be say OD?

Cheers, Brent

*snicker*

Depends.


If you are JTF-2 you can do whatever the fuck you want.


The army does allow for some non-issue gear to be worn, but it's mostly things like backpacks, camelbaks and very rarely different load bearing vests.

I know of at least 1 guy who wore the Seals action gear Cadpat Battle vest on exercise without getting written up.

$825 (US) to be exact...but nonetheless, GEEZUS SHIT MATE :banghead:

ouch.. someones wallet has a perdy dent in it.

I do believe they are more lenient when you're on rotation, not to say that I've ever been in theatre. But from what my buddies tell me, you get more lee-way in what you can wear.

What's involved in "getting written up." Just curious really.

I personally wear issue kit except for my Maxpedition Condor now and then, but I have a buddy going on TFA and he's wearing a CIRAS setup as are many of the other guys headed over with him.

Tiger Tactical has made copies of the JTF-2 stuff in Marpat.

http://www.tigertactical.com/gallery/Projects

My buddy got his from an unnamed source and got it for waaay less than that ebay dude.

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/7956/dave00216ee.jpg
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1...00221bv.th.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/2...00407ee.th.jpg
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/7...00412ot.th.jpg

Money out of your paycheque for a small offense.

What, no takers?

You would have to have some pretty good pictures to distiguish between issue and non-issue clothing.

That's a pretty wishy-washy defense but whatever.

Do you really expect me to believe there are no civilians here in posession of issue CADPAT. If they want to wear it, I have no problem with that. But I do find it amusing that this is condoned and yet people get their panties in a bunch and start tattle taleing on PSP and such when they see an eBayer selling elusive JTF-2 kit. You dig?

Something about throwing stones in glass houses and pots calling the kettle black.

Most is either:

Fake
or Surplus

Part of the problem: Someone's making an extra buck off DND, while just about everyone else is getting meager salaries.

I love kit and gear. In no way, however, do I condone taking stuff out of the system. My paycheck pays for that!

CADPAT clothing isn't surplused. When a soldier turns in his faded an/or ruined uniforms for exchange the old ones are to be shredded.

Also, DOD is American, DND is Canadian :wink:

Any CF guys here selling clues? He needs to take his signature to heart and buy one.

You just contradicted yourself. By your statement, even if it is surplus it's still a "controlled item" and you're still not allowed to posess it. So how did it get out of the "system"? FROM SOMEONE LOOKING TO MAKE A BUCK!!

Too late you just condoned it, however involuntarily.

Non-CF making defiinitive statements about CF policy should attach a caveat such as, "IF I RECALL CORRECTLY". To warn us that you may possibly be talking out of your ass.

Why is my statement wishy-washy?

I have tried to tell if something is issue or aftermarket from pictures and it's very hard if you don't have a good look at the pockets etc.

Off the top of my head I can name 7 dealers including myself that sell CADPAT clothing and gear.

Take four sets of different pants from these dealers and put them on guys in the field, and then take a picture and tell me which pair is the issue ones.

I'm not saying civies don't have issued gear, just that you would have to personally inspect them to find them.

I'm sure as well that if I put my issued kit up for sale on ebay or any forum and showed the labels there would be a few people getting just as cranky.

I agree with you 100 percent.

So I'll go ahead and sell you the clue you were looking for.

Some people really need to grow up, if the guy did something illegal, then he will be caught.

This mob mentality thing is bullshit, grow a brain.

I've seen civies at airsoft games playing in totally CF issue gear not to be sold to civies, do I call the police? Of course not, I just ask them how much they paid for it because I am curious.

Just relax, take a deep breath and try not to take things upon yourself crusader.


I can't believe that some of the people who are selling Cadpat items agree with the original poster, talk about a hypocrite.

Armed Pacifist: I like the cut of your jib. With regards to the sale of clues, I was referring to the gentleman who started this thread. He needs at least one for immediate consumption.

I agree with you on that too.

I got the joke, you said you were looking for a CF member to sell you a clue, since I have those qualifications I said I would.

:)

Stick a fork in it, this thread is done. This should be in a Hall of Fame or something.

To those who reported the auction to PSP, I'm sure they will give you an A+ for effort. Whoop de fucking doo.

Maybe you guys can scrape together 800 bucks so you can buy your own chest rig and share it.

Not dead yet...

In response to what you said...

Civvies can legally and very easily buy genuine issued CADPAT BDU's and some other kit.

I have been over this a few times in the forums already here and on other sites but I don't want to find the thread so I'll post again.

There's a military surplus store in Morinville, Alberta, just a few minutes north of Edmonton (by the namao base) that bought bulk bins of kit at a military auction contents unknown. They then opened them upon purchase, and lo and behold, they were full of CADPAT. They started selling them, the army took them to court saying that they're selling controlled materials, but they lost so CEL Surlpus was legally allowed to sell them to anyone because it was the army's fault. (that's a very very brief overview.)

So it is very legal for airsofters to play in genuine CADPAT as long as it's not their issued kit if they're in the CF.

As another note of interest, CEL has also recieved laptops that haven't had harddrives wiped, nvgs, and other supposedly controlled materials a few times in the past as well at government auctions.

I was wandering through Harisons Surplus in Victoira before they closed, and they had old faded surplus Cadpat. But in regards to what ert said, it could have concievably come from that surplus store in Alberta, or through some supply chain like that?

The higher ups don't care.

The CEL incident is an exception but the fact remains that there are CADPAT uniforms out there that were obtained by other means. Are you telling me all the CADPAT out there came from CEL? I highly doubt that. In a nutshell, people shouldn't be bitching about questionably obtained JTF-2 kit when there are players out there with questionably obtained CADPAT. Refer to Armed Pacifist's comment regarding hypocrisy.

That's my problem. Some fucker is walking around with a slice of my wallet, more so guilty because he likely did NOT get it through legitimate sources.

I've never condoned theft of CADPATs, I have no clue where you got that idea. Having said that, I have no idea how you link hypocrisy to me (correct me if your intent was wrong). I'm bitching because the buyer/his source is screwing either me (and the rest of taxpayers), or he's a flake, which IMO, is just as bad.

It's not the problem in hand, it's the principal. This is just morally WRONG any way you slice the cake.

I don't think anyone called you a hypocrite, just someone who generally knows very little first hand about what he posts about -yet, on a daily basis it seems, continues to talk out his ass. The hypocrisy is in people jumping all over this ebayer, while Cadpat abounds all around them. One need only take a quick peek in the gear section, I'm sure there's some 'real Cadpat' there right now.

Re: Cadpat, if you have a Gunnutz account, take a look at this, a brief history of Cadpat by someone not talking out his ass:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...ad.php?t=23530

Bunny, you're a far more eloquent man than I. :lol:

Anyone want to buy a brand new CADPAT Boonie hat size 7 1/2 ... ;)

Cheers,

I already have one 8-)

what about those 2 guys who got in shit for coming to a game in their issued stuff?

Since we play at paintball fields here, i highly doubt i will be able to explain day-glow orange, neon green, and pink coloured stains on my shirt/trousers.

Showing up in an issue TV is not the same as showing up in your entire fighting order, uniform complete with regimental markings, rank, and headdress.

There are a couple surplus stores in Toronto that sell issue CADPAT. It's out there on a large scale basis.

What I was refering to in my post is comparing aftermarket clothing made in CADPAT to issued CADPAT. If you can tell the difference from pictures you have much better eyesight that me.

As for the initial post, how do we know it's not seconds?

Maybe built for trial only, now being sold off. Maybe to many were built? Who knows.


As for wearing issued gear when not working, everybody does it at some point, but like Morbius said, showing up anywhere with ranks, headdress, cap badges etc., well, that's a bit different.

Dude, I've managed to finger fuck a current JTF2 chest rig (see the pics posted above) and it is exactly the same one featured in the auction. It ain't a prototype and it ain't a factory second. Factory overruns being sold off? Yeah right. This cat knows someone in the supply chain at DHTC. He can get ahold of cool guy shit and we can't. Tough.

I can have a company design me the current tac vest used by the forces. Does a picture prove anything? Nope i just shows someone is wearing a vest. Issue kit makes it to surplus stores by mistake all the time. Hell one close to me accidentally got a bunch of brand new tac vests. There is a difference then showing up in full kit and such. Some people use issued kit for things because it was designed well. Hell i use my sleeping stuff when i go camping. So the point is stealing is wrong, issued kit is great, and who can really tell the difference between issued and repro.

With regards to the authenticity of my friend's rig his complete with PSP tag, inspector stamp etc as shown in the auction and is not a Tiger Tactial repro. Quit wallowing in denial.

But I can see where you flakes are coming from. After all, if I show pics of an issue "JTF-2 Mk1 Mod. 0 Plasma Assault Rifle" everyone will just claim it's a repro because there's no one to prove it otherwise. :roll:

The real cadpat material an the new kit are controlled items, and are not meant to be sold to the public. Yes, lots of it has made it out, AFAIK all/most of it was stolen or weren't disposed properly an people grabbed it, etc.


Kinda sucks though when civvies get the new CADPAT gear before real soldiers IMO.

JTF-2 probably has mountains of spare kit lying around. That's probably how our enterprising supply chain dude managed to snag a couple of pieces. As to why this spare kit isn't going to the regular troopers, I don't know and I'm not qualified to comment.

yah, I was asking about CADpat disposal. Friend of mine at PSP says they toss it in garbage bags and into the dumpster.

Is he referring to the disposal of scrap fabric or actual pieces of kit? Have at it then, see how many JTF-2 chest rigs, patrol vests, breaching vests, sniper suits, plasma disruptor rifles, and goddamn sharks with frigging lasers on their heads you'll find in the trash.

scraps, lots of scraps

Aww, was really hoping for kit! :(

*Looks in dumpster!*

"Hey dude! Found meself a CADPAT chest rig!"

:lol:

Yes, but it states in black and white: member of the primary reserve are not to wear issued stuff off work. No matter how much i like my stuff, it stays in the closet. Why do others think it is acceptable, i dont know.

Camping is a bit different... unless you wear your greens while camping :confused:

So your saying if I put my uniform on for a game of cops and robbers in my backyard, I will be formally charged?

How would that be any different from airsoft?

Hell, what about when I wear my uniform home from exercise after the time I've been paid for is up, will I get arrested and charged on my way home?

Also, as I have stated MANY times in the past, military law cannot be practised outside of a military base (or government building), so if the military police show up at an airsoft game, they can't do anything, and even if they ever did, I would just say I'm not military, how can they prove that I am?

Why would the other 90% of airsofters who wear issue and replica cadpat not be charged also?

In fact quote me the CFTO that says I'm not allowed to wear my issue gear to play airsoft.

THEN we can actually have a discussion.

The only problem you EVER get from wearing issue stuff would be from colleagues (if you are dumb enough to tell them) who think they are morally superior by not wearing it giving you some flak, but thinking about all the money I've saved not having the buy the stuff, I can deal with it.

Just as the letter of the law has no provision for a grace limit when you're doing 105km/h in a 100 zone. It doesn't make sense to bog down the justice system with charges that were made outside the spirit of the law.

Sure. Just as long as nobody is making a profit eh? Because that would be bad.

Go look up "sarcasm" in a dictionary...

Keep digging buddy...

I wouldn't try to go for the last word on this one.

I have. I did.

All else being equal, I think I'm actually going to email off the Ebayer asking for his "source", reminding him if in fact it is real, it's a controlled item, and if it isn't, it would be a gross mis-representation of the product (but so far, we've concluded this thing is real).

I'm guessing you two are Liberal voters? You don't seem to mind if people steal out of the public coffers (ala LIEberal style).

Sad, sad world I tell ya...

Are you even in the military firemachine? because AP serves and Morbius has served, because so far it appears those who objected the strongest to this issue are non soldiers, while most who serve do not seem to care much.

As well, your really pushing it if you plan to accuse Morbius of voting Liberal, because he certainly does not.

Are you even in the military firemachine? because AP serves and Morbius has served.

As well, your really pushing it if you plan to accuse Morbius of voting Liberal, because he certainly does not.

Would you be the one explaining why i have paintball shit on my uniform?
I accidentally got that shit on my DPMs, and it wont wash off after 3 washes in hot water.

That's laughable. The eBay seller Boyanton doesn't have to tell you jack shit and will more than likely tell you to go eat a big fat dick. You don't have dog in this fight so GIVE...IT...UP. You already got spanked on LF.net on another thread regarding the patrol vest and it's apparent you have not learned your lesson. If you're a glutton for pain why don't you bring up your beef at Army.ca as well and see how long you last.

You want a worthy crusade? You want to rail against outright theft? How about this: The useless firearms registry system. A goddamn chest rig is a mere speck compared to absurd amount of money spent on this abortion of a system. Better get your priorities straight boy, because you're barking up the wrong tree. Of course you don't care about about the firearms registry system because you don't have any real steel, do you?

(Already on that.)

Oh, I got spanked? Please refer me to that thread.

Let me guess, you're another one of those all-talk, no-action type of forumites? This isn't my first forum in my life you know. Pretty easy to brush off your type.

Personally attacking me, for pointing out something that is ETHICALLY wrong (or so I seem to see/think so far) is my freedom to do so. If I'm wrong, fine, anyone or everyone can correct me. But let's say someone stole your chest rig, you know is serialized to you... I dunno, but I'd be pretty pissed.

Yuxi:

Umm, no, not Mobius? Pugs and AP (less so for AP).

If Pugs would start acting like a man, instead of just talking like one, perhaps maybe I'd let this thread die quietly.



AP: Wearing it is slightly different... If you haven't noticed, I'm not placing much blame, if at all, on the buyer (other then the Ebay one, that's a crazy price for piece of gear!), but the seller, especially if he knew there's a good chance it may be stolen kit. If not, heck, I've been proven wrong, and expanded my horizon by that much.

For those reservist who think its ok to wear issued kit for airsoft

17.06 – WEARING OF UNIFORM – RESTRICTION
17.06 – PORT DE L’UNIFORME – RESTRICTIONS

(1) Except that an officer or non-commissioned member may wear a military uniform of obsolete pattern that is not likely to be confused with current dress, no member shall wear any part of military uniform at a fancy dress ball.


(2) No member of the Reserve Force shall wear uniform except when:

(a) on service; or

(b) attending a military entertainment or a ceremony at which the wearing of uniform is appropriate.

http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/adm...17_e.asp#17.06


You can NOT wear issued gear for non-military purposes. So no wearing off issued kit to play airsoft.



On the issue of Civilians having controlled items
-copy an pasted from another forum

Canadian Forces Cadpat material & Uniforms made from it are considered controlled goods
due to some unique properties built into the material design. The ONLY persons authorized to be in posession of or to handle controlled goods are Military personnel, civilian employees and contractor's etc who have undergone background checks and security clearances. There is a reason for this.

I refer you here:

The "Controlled Technology Access Transfer Regulations" (CTAT) which fall under the auspices of the "Defense Production Act" ie: FEDERAL LAW
.

http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/adm...d/3003/1_e.asp

"Under the Defence Production Act it is an offence for a person who is not registered under that Act to knowingly examine, possess or transfer a controlled good
. The registration requirements do not apply to a person who occupies a position in the federal public service or a federal Crown Corporation, or is employed by Her Majesty in right of a province, who acts in good faith in the course of their duties and employment.

"Policy Statement
DND and the CF are committed to demonstrating responsiveness to, and responsibility for, all laws and regulations in respect of controlled goods.

Requirements
DND and the CF must:
ensure that all controlled goods are identified and afforded the necessary level of protection to prevent their unauthorized examination, possession or transfer; ensure that DND employees and CF members exercise due diligence and permit access to controlled goods only by persons so authorized under the Defence Production Act and the Controlled Goods Regulations
; and
provide for reporting and investigation if the security of a controlled good is compromised in any way
.
Authority
Authority Table The following table identifies the authorities responsible for implementing the policy.
The Vice Chief of the Defence Staff (VCDS)
has the authority to direct that the management of controlled goods be included in business plans.
ADM(Mat)
approve and administer policy for controlled goods."

Secondly, A Criminal Code of Canada Offense:
It's called Impersonation:
Specifically, CCC Section 419 Impersonation:
"Everyone who, without lawful authority, the proof of which lies on him:
(a) wears a uniform of the Canadian Forces or any other naval, army or air force or a uniform that is so similar to the uniform of any of those forces that it is likely to be mistaken therefore,"


So being as how the MND & CDS' Policy (and therefore the Federal Governments) on the wearing of cadpat does not give lawful authority to civilians to posess or wear cadpat, anyone doing so (or anyone
selling it on E-Bay etc) is acting in direct contradiction to the "Defense Production Act" and therefore is committing a Federal Offense. CF personnel, DND civilian's and member's of contracting companies who have been "caught" selling surplus or faded, whole, wearable garments made with the actual Canadian Forces patented material (this is applicable only the actual CF cadpat material with our special little properties - not any regular material printed with the cadpat design) have been subjected to federal black marketeering charges. They are also subject to charges under the CTAT Regulations...not good as your security clearance dissappears...just like that. Those purchasers of these "CF Genuine" garments are also subject to Federal charges relating to the possession of black market goods, and if they happen to be a CF member, a federal employee or a federal contractor, are also subject to charges relating to CTAT.

Many many sites sell cadpat uniforms which look like ours but are NOT the genuine article. Most will also point this out on their web-sites...They will point out that this material, although of a 'cadpat design' is NOT the material used to produce the CF operational dress. It does not come with the "operational capabilities" that ours does. If it does, whoever is selling it is comitting a Federal Offense, and so is whoever is buying it. See an example and their disclaimer here:

http://www.wheelersonline.com/detail...roduct_id=1010
Anybody and their dog with access to material, a computer and assorted green relish dyes can make a genuine "Cadpat pattern" but it is not "Genuine Cadpat material" because it does not incorporate our distict properties.....

Once again, if you are aware of the "Genuine Article" being made available for purchase to any non-authorized persons...you, if you are a member of the CF or the Federal Civil Service are obligated to report this
as described in the CTAT link given above. ("provide for reporting and investigation if the security of a controlled good is compromised in any way.")


All cadpat going through CF R&D sections for disposal (either worn, NS or Suplus) is to be "certified as demilitarized" (ie shredded into useless material that would, and does, make fine helmet scrim) prior to it's being sold off as "scrap material."

I would suggest to you that if you do indeed happen to come across some genuine stuff on E-Bay, you take a print screen and forward to your MP's for investigation. Besides which, none of the stuff on E-Bay is legally obtained therefore why are you paying this thief your money when the poor kid he stole it from is probably one of your soldiers with the pending Stores Loss Report and MP Investigation? What the seller actually deserves is one hell of a throat punch. Plain and simple.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth there..

http://lightfighter.net/groupee/foru...351#5451065351

Ok dewd. I'll leave you to your mission. Good luck with that :rolleyes: .

I simply questioned WHY in god's name they went with an odd setup? Why not MOLLE? In any case, I never had the original question *fully* answered. Is it much superior to a MOLLE-type setup? To me, IMO, it seems like a step back to only semi-modularity as old "modular" setups used to run. Then just snaps on the top. Common sense tells me that's one more chance for it to flop around.

But, people on those forums did try to explain, those I thank as they put up with my gear-posts and such related crap, not "he'll go tell you to suck a big dick". Unless that Ebay seller would be you?

Then again, DND *did* decide on loading giant guns on something that reminds me of a lightweight jeep...

Meh.

Anyways, Morb, I know you don't vote Libs. Your posts in reference to the Libs are... memorable. :lol:

I'm just thinking, if it was *my* stolen kit (issue or not), I'd be pissed to hell, and I know alot of current military kit on Ebay ends up there because of that...

Pugs: Why don't you bring it up on LF? Not been there long enough? They'll tear you apart likely, as they KNOW special ops issue stuff isn't generously given away... Most likely way is theft. If you've been there for a month or so, you'll know their stance on stolen gear.

Whatever keeps you going though the day... I already said that any CF member who's seen the auction would've already taken the appropriate steps to notify the proper authorities. But it's your energy; spend it however you want.

Don't start getting too pissy, you're not even in the CF yet. When you are, by all means spread your righteous fire throughout the land and shake your fist at God and demand, "I want gear justice!"

No, but this year, with my guesstimate of income, I expect to give back a fair amount. I'd say it's slightly twisted to complain about the registry, but not desperately needed stolen kit. Theft is theft, any way you flip the coin, isn't it?

Elsewise, one who STOLE kit to make a profit, knew fully well what he did was wrong, is slightly worse then idiot politicians that don't know their heads from their asses. At least they have good intent... for what's that worth (pretty much nothing, I guess).

Guys, less flaming and please be keeping the politics out of it.

I rest my case.

You misinterpreted that. Wearing your uniform an kit for airsoft, etc is not authorized. What they mean by military enertainment, etc is like the Junior Ranks Ball, etc where you wear your DEUs.

Also, if you go out an wear your kit for airsoft an it gets damaged, you now have to pay for it since it wasn't damaged while you were on duty(ie training, etc).

I really don't see how they can prove it was damaged at a particular time.

I've had more tears, rips and stains from the field on army time than I ever had during airsoft, I'm not sure how they can establish the difference if I don't say anything.

Also, you are enterpreting that rule your way, and I can interpret it another.

Considering that I airsoft with the commanding officer of an army unit in Borden (I won't say which in case crusader boy decides to start another jihad) who plays in his stuff also, I wouldn't worry about it.

Maybe PSP made the vests out of "second" materials.

Oh, shit :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . I just spewed coffee over my keyboard. You owe me another one.

Only way they could really say anything was if you returned damaged kit, an your unit hasn't done an EX in 2 months or something.

Hey let's do this thread again...but in Arid!! :p

J

nice one Jan
i need another good laugh

lol

AAHH, he's at it again!! After him team! *A-Team theme song*

Yawn...All this JTF-2 kit floating around makes me think that this gear is obsolete and the boys at DHTC are already issued something waaay better. But $800US for that chest rig is excessive. "There's one born every minute."

Please let's not do this again.