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section5 November 3rd, 2005 17:57

Airsoft Rail Gun
 
Edit: Looks like they have applied it to shoot Airsoft BBs now :D

http://www.em-gun.com/em40b.htm

http://www.em-gun.com/pics/em40bs1.gif

Old Post:
Well sort of. But not that powerful!

http://www.em-gun.com/

Geez, that's crazy!

Mods, feel free to move this if I put it in the wrong place. Just figured it would get some more interest here instead of Off Topic or Upgrades and Modifications.

Conscript November 3rd, 2005 18:02

They are like the Junkers air rifles from Russia, they use 4.5mm metal pellets, I wouldnt want to get shot with that...

section5 November 3rd, 2005 18:08

I posted it as an adaptation of that idea for airsoft use. Of course not as powerful, that would be crazy! I posted a design similar in concept to that on ASR, I didn't get much feedback from the Americans though. Maybe MadMax or Gooseman would be interested in building my design and collaborate. Not the above design, but from my sketches. But my design was to use a solenoid to push/pull a piston to propel the 6mm BB. I'll have to find it. I'll also post scans of my sketches as soon as I get a chance. Oh and my design was for a pistol, but can easily be adapted to an AEG. That would be perfect, it would have no moving parts except for the piston, no stripped gears and would have kick to boot!

Cheers,
Ray :D

Penguin November 3rd, 2005 18:40

You cant use a coilgun without a magnetic projectile, a plastic bb won't work. You'd have to use a metal bb, like they have now....

section5 November 3rd, 2005 18:51

See, here's my idea. No metal bb's. Instead think of how a piston is used in a springer. Now instead of a compressed spring pushing the piston, a metal rod is "pulled" along by the magnetic forces generated by the coil surrounding the piston cup. Now I know this may take up a lot of energy, but the idea is there and with stronger batteries these days, well... Then compressing air within the piston and propelling the 6mm BB out the barrel. That is one direction of magnetic flow. Now reverse the polarity and the metal rod now moves in the opposite direction "pushing" the slide back creating a blow-back effect. Now cut the electrical flow. No movement. That allows the recoil spring to push the slide back into position and chambering the next round. Then once the last round is expelled, it would lock back like a normal GBB/real steel. Since this would need a strong battery, it could be located in the mag since the bb stack only takes up little room. The trigger acts as the on/off/reverse switch.
I know there are some engineers here that can help me out. Carl, what do you think of this? :)

made Man November 3rd, 2005 19:04

I doubt you'll get enough distance within a pistol to produce enough acceleration. OR those batteries would only last a few shots.

They also seem to work with "diamagnetic" plastic BBs..... hmmmm

section5 November 3rd, 2005 19:09

Made Man, that is true. I do not know enough about batteries or electronics, but the concept is there. May apply more to a rifle or SMG. But I think it could work. Diamagnetic bb's hmmmmm.... that might work too :)

Mysteryfish November 3rd, 2005 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin
You cant use a coilgun without a magnetic projectile, a plastic bb won't work. You'd have to use a metal bb, like they have now....

not.... as such.

They use a two part projectile idea. The pellet sits in front of an actual magnetic component. The magnetic component moves and stops short of leaving the barrel, the non-magnetic (pellet) continues on it's path.

They've got a pretty slow recharge rate though.

1 shot per 5 seconds, and 1 shot per 7.5 seconds (the "flash" model and the "needle" model respectively)

section5 November 3rd, 2005 19:41

The solenoid idea is different, but you wouldn't have the same recharge time between shots. The soleniod system is like your automatic locks in you car, they work on solenoids. You can click them up and down so fast, your kids do it. Now with the solenoid in the piston, you just need a higher voltage to speed up the movement. Man, I have this image of my door locks shooting through the roof! :)

-Trooper- November 3rd, 2005 20:39

I know this is a little off topic, but doesn't the EM44A1 "flash" look like the rifle from halo?

Bob the Angry Potato November 3rd, 2005 20:43

Halo and Half Life 2 apply to the second, the MP7 (by H&K).
The first is also in reality, it's made by FN (Who also brought us the P90), known as the FN2000. It's not the Halo 2 (or 1) rifle, though.

Penguin November 3rd, 2005 20:57

I'd be quite curious to see how they manage the power issue. The largest downfall of coil/rail guns supplying the current needed to power the unit...

hrmm

Newber November 4th, 2005 18:55

Something like this might work.
http://home.howstuffworks.com/nail-gun3.htm
The rod that pushes the nail would attach to the piston.

FOX_111 November 4th, 2005 20:03

The only upgrade would be stronger batteries and better capacitors.

I like the fact his weapons are made of metals or high impact plastic.

We would have the same problem with airsoft anyway.

Mysteryfish November 4th, 2005 22:39

Penguin:

- It looked like there was a pretty fat battery sitting inside the gun (that red, soup can looking item)...

I'm guessing that's the majority of the "internals" right there.

Could be fun to have a rail-gun sniper rifle.

Fill the stock and the foregrip with capacitors, shield the barrel from interference, and have a totally silent rifle.

Fuuuuuun.

Penguin November 5th, 2005 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mysteryfish
Penguin:

- It looked like there was a pretty fat battery sitting inside the gun (that red, soup can looking item)...

Yeah, but getting enough power for more than a couple shots will be a feat. Im curious to see how they do it.

Skeletor November 6th, 2005 18:53

So I guess since it looks like a real gun (as opposed to that Alien one) we Canadians can't order one of these things?

SCell November 8th, 2005 19:17

Some news...
 
They updated site with new device...

"Rifle EM40B specially designed for Airsoft. This gun shoots 6mm plastic pellets. Main feature of this device is an FPS Switch. You can use it for muzzle velocity selection from 225 to 400 fps."

But it costs too much for me...

section5 November 8th, 2005 19:47

Uh-oh :D Now I wonder if it is importable into Canada or will a supplier import them and more than double the cost ;) LOL
True though, it is pretty expensive. Especially if you take into account that crappy ROF

Gryphon November 9th, 2005 00:32

This is fascinating. I don't see an assault application here yet; plinking and sniping only with rates of fire that slow.

Aside from the ROF I see the battery only lasts for 300 shots. I get ten times that from my AEG battery. Still, at $250 USD I'm thinking this could be a lot of fun to tool around with for little expenditure.

Mysteryfish November 9th, 2005 00:35

I think the real appeal would be the fact that it's completely silent, aside from the BB whipping through the air, and that there's no moving parts (well, not really).

A bit more power, and a less stupid look, and it'd be kindof appealing.

nic_s November 9th, 2005 01:45

Who knows, this may one day be the next big thing.

Combine November 9th, 2005 15:09

that coke can picture looks edited

Shinjin_MC November 9th, 2005 20:11

0.12g ammo as well

made Man November 9th, 2005 20:13

Well, it can be used as a sniper rifle during games, so 300 shots is plenty. Also, the look replicates FN2000, a real gun, hence not stupid ;)

nic_s November 10th, 2005 04:58

Wait, did I read that wrong, or is it shooting 400fps w/ .12g BBs? Because that would kinda suck...

Shinjin_MC November 10th, 2005 10:35

that was what i was wondering too
the only ammo they list is 0.12g

Bob the Angry Potato November 14th, 2005 15:15

Look here, it's the first 2 articles:
www.arniesairsoft.co.uk
The site was a sham, the site was fake.

Quote:

I've had an update from some nice chaps in Russian (AirsoftGun.ru) about Silent Flash Ltd (http://www.em-gun.com) so I'm adding this as an addendum to the previosu news. Reportedly:
It appeared to be a fake.This site http://www.em-gun.com/ was closed by authorities, but was opened later on the other hosting. Last information about the project - the criminal case was started, the authors are suspected in trickery and illegal business.

Here is our topic about it, (in Russian unfortunately) where we discussed it, and even tried to meet with the authors, but failed to get the gun for testing... http://www.airsoftgun.ru/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=22027

p.s. For a number of reasons (one of them is necessity in superconductivity) this gun cannot be created. Best regards Denisenko, (AirsoftGun.ru)

The other news will be adjusted shortly in reflection of this to change the warning that's there into something more formal.

UPDATE: Word from Denisenko, (AirsoftGun.ru) looks to confim the fears that this project is some form of scam. Reportedly several people in Russia have tried to purchase this product and failed to receive anything, and also failed to manage to meet the makers or see the project. If you see this project appear elsewhere, or anything similar it would be advisable to check things before proceeding, as this looks very much like another scam attempt.


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