Am I being unreasonable?
 

So I have an interesting dilemma and I'm hoping to get some input on what people think I should do.

The story goes as follows:
"Joe" PM's me about an ad I have in the classifieds and inquires about a trade, we PM back and forth and come to an agreement on the trade. We both agree to ship our items out the same day as one another so we both get them around the same time. The second I printed the shipping label from Canada Post, I sent a PM with tracking info and dropped it off within 5 minutes of that PM (June 4th).

I don't receive any update on the matter for a few days despite being promised it would be shipped the same day as I shipped mine. I am not at all an unreasonable person and gave the benefit of the doubt that something important must have come up. It happens, not a big deal. I send a PM 3 days after (June 7th) I ship politely requesting an update, no reply. I send out a second PM, again, politely asking for an update 5 days (3 business days) after I shipped because the parcel has been delivered to "Joe's" address (June 9th). I get a reply from "Joe" saying he had a family emergency and had to go out of town for several days and it will be shipped the following day. This is a completely reasonable and understandable excuse and I do not fault him for it. I politely wish him the best and told him I appreciate the update.

I patiently wait a week for an update as I am now aware of his situation. There is no update from "Joe" in the week I waited so I kindly PM "Joe" asking if he was able to ship it out yet (June 15th). Three days pass and it has now been two weeks since I shipped my package out (on June 4th) and I still have yet to receive anything; no tracking number, no update, no PMs since June 9th. I have checked his ASC profile and it says he was on last night and there has been activity on his social media account in the time that I have waited; I know for fact he does have internet access wherever he may be.

*It should be noted I have not sent a single threatening or otherwise unhappy PM yet.

TLDR: "Joe" and I agree to a trade, I fulfill my end of the deal and I have yet to receive "Joe's"

So ASC, am I being unreasonable for starting to get a bit impatient? I know the next step is to threaten legal action but my gut feeling is that it's too soon. That being said, I also don't want to wait too long to the point that my claim becomes invalid. What is the next step?

You should PM a mod directly and bring it to there attention

Two weeks isn't that long to wait, a family emergency will always take priority to a internet sale in my book.

Some reassuring correspondence would be appreciated I'm sure but I would give them benefit of doubt and take into consideration there trade rating

There is another similar thread to this one http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=172725


I hope you resolve this amicably which it seems you've been doing from day one.

Man, theres a lot of these threads lately.......

Does ASC keep a database of users personal information (address, real name ect) when they get AV'd? I dont remember my av'r really taking down my info or my gf's for that matter. Mind it was quite a long time ago.

Hopefully this knob you are dealing with is just very bad at managing time, and hasn't stolen this items from you. Does your item say it was delivered?

The individual in question has 0 trader rating. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt solely based on the fact that he is age verified. I have never in my 7 years of being on ASC been screwed by someone who has been age verified. A few things that concern me is the fact that he has 0 trader rating and the address he provided for me to ship to is a business, not his personal address (though it's possible he could own the business, it's doubtful based on his social media).

I still want to give the individual in question the benefit of the doubt, but it's starting to get difficult as he is clearly online and just not keeping me updated. A simple "sorry, I've been really busy I can't get it out to you until further notice" would be more than sufficient and would definitely have me assured. I am not upset or impatient about not receiving the item, I am getting a bit impatient at the lack of comms when it is evident he has the means to keep them (either through ASC or cell phone).

You are fully in the right to be upset, a zero rating, a non residential address and no communication when they are clearly online are definite red flags!

Hold on I'll get my pitchfork...

ASC's angry mob assemble!!!

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Retailer, a business that is in the profession of providing products and dealing with customers in a professional and competent manner.

Classified a drywaller who got some shit that he don't want no more and could go fer the extra twenty bux. yeah yeah uh huh alrite already fuck!

Yeah I dont find this unreasonable at all. You have been more than patient. If for example you havent seen that they have been online that different but if they have logged in they can at least say sry stilo busy will update asap, or something to that effect.

If he said same day, it should be the same day. I would have been skeptical by the second day.

Canada Post closes at 8:00, some locations 9:00 pm, There's no excuse for someone to spend 20 minutes to drive to the CP, wait in line, and send it off.

Edit:

In terms of "legal action" I've heard this quite a lot of the past few months, does anything actually get resolved?

Negative rating, get mods involved and possibly police. No communication for 2 weeks is shady as fuck.

Thats part of why dealing on ASC is great. The mods have all the paticulars o the person and all the PM's agreing to the deal. Once handed over to the police they will investigate and lay charges accordingly.

Well, I heard that too, but I haven't ever seen a post of saying it got resolved, or charges had been laid.

So was curious if things actually end up working out.

No. Get your stuff back.

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm going to give him until tomorrow before I start pursuing my other options given his personal matters. I will also call his work place where the package was shipped before pulling the trigger on threatening legal action.

agreed - this guy is clearly not on the up and up

what is his Call Sign so no one else gets scammed

I'm going to withhold the individual's username until this gets resolved if you guys do not mind. Rest assured, he does not have any ads listed in the classifieds. I do not want to start a witch hunt until after I know for 100% fact I am being screwed.

I think its safe to say you 100% got screwed. 2 weeks is one thing, but 2 weeks with no communication is another. Especially if he's logging on.

Its time to take action.

I have been on the internet too long. I thought this was one of those posts that ends with "Where did you come? from where did you go? Where did you come from cotton eye Joe"

But in all seriousness. I believe it is time to get mods involved. You have been quite patient.

I'm going to state this if you are not willing to give the username then posts like this should never be made.

x2, why bother hiding the alias of the d00d? Just post it out right mate.

actually I'm going to extend on this, from now on if I see a post like this and there is no name mentioned, I am going to just delete the post to stop wasting everyones time.

I see nothing wrong with making certain that a screw job has actually happened before posting the person's name.

+1

Hell maybe the guy died...

Then he won't mind a bad trader rating :D

I wouldn't mess with ghosts.

It's better to leave the name of an individual out unless you are 100% sure you've been screwed. It saves from ruining an individual's reputation without verifying all the facts, because allegations are still allegations and unverified. People might take it for truth and make faulty conclusions.

These kinds of posts are, in all fairness, moot in general because it's really the mod/admin's job to deal with scammers, even if the name is mentioned in the forum post.

I disagree,... it you have paid someone and they will not respond to messages (even after they have logged in and know they have a message) once days turn into weeks it is time to call the person out.

I'm sorry, but I work hard for my money and if someone tries to scam me I'll make sure they are sorry and do whatever I can to ensure that no one else gets screwed.

It's wrong to call someone out before you know they've ripped you off, but it's also wrong to not tell the community about a person who is ripping people off.

Personally, given the circumstances, I would be calling foul after a couple of days without so much as a message. You're only giving him more opportunity to rip off others.

I hope you're able to recoup your losses OP.

Let me clarify my previous post is not.up for debate.

If you are not willing to name.someone who has dropped comms and you are worried about an issue then do not waste the membership or admins time as we do see these posts and come to read them to see what we can do.

If this thread is not allowed then please do delete it. I did not make this thread to alert the community of a possible scammer/fraudster, I made the thread to get the opinion of the community on the matter. While I have read the FAQs on what to do when you are scammed I felt my situation was unique as the person I am dealing with recently had his father admitted to the hospital in critical and life threatening condition. At the moment I have slight reason to believe I have been scammed but I cannot say with 100% certainty. I have called the workplace of the person in question and the receptionist has confirmed his excuse and he has indeed taken time off of work to attend to his family/personal matters. The work place is a reputable business in the community (from google reviews and other sites) and has been in business for many years. I have no reason to believe they are lying to me or in on it with him.

While my opinion on the matter still remains that it is not good business to delay shipping for so long and not keep me updated, at the moment I feel the issue is only worthy of a negative trader rating with a lengthy comment. I have given the person until Monday June 22nd to contact me before I go full out and contact the local authorities and admins of ASC. Once this time has passed I will definitely let the community know about the person in question. Regardless, admins feel free to close this thread down. I have gotten the information I sought. I will update on Monday the 22nd if the thread is still up and alert the community along with all PMs.

This has been an emotional roller coaster and I for one hope this thread stays open.

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Shamusodoofus you are an example of how these things should be handled. You did your due diligence and I hope in the end it works out for you.

Posting on the forums and asking what to do is fine, but if you are going to condemn someone in the community, do it AFTER you've contacted the mods and admins have confirmed that you have been scammed.

There's no point prematurely calling someone out publicly when nothing is 100% for certain. I'm all for protecting the community but wild goose chases should be avoided to protect an innocent party and to avoid people being framed and having their reputation tarnished permanently.

During my last transaction as a seller, the buyer asked me for my telephone number and telephoned me before we completed the deal. Initially I was a little put out of joint by this - I had a positive feedback history as a seller and I didn't want to give out my details.

That said, now I think it's a good way to go, especially given the large number of I got screwed threads.

Get their number, and give the seller (or trade partner) a call beforehand just for a friendly chat. At least then if the deal goes south you've got contact info outside of forum PMs plus anyone who is planning on screwing you won't give you that number to begin with.