Potential damage from airsoft.
 

This is a really difficult question to ask, but my niece brought it to mind after I called her for advice this evening.
You see, Katie and I often foster rescue dogs, and twice now a foster has mauled a random animal in our back yard.
The first time was with one foster and a squirrel. When I found the squirrel it was still alive, but eventually died on its own while I was trying to get Animal Services to come get it.
I had a Dan Wesson CO2 airsoft revolver, and remember wondering if it would suffice to end the squirrel's suffering. I didn't try it in case all it did was cause more pain.
And just now another foster ravaged a bunny who is still very much alive, but badly mangled. Again, Animal Services is apparently on their way to take it from me.
But this poor thing is in a world of pain!
While talking with Shayla, my vet tech niece, she asked if any of my airsoft guns would end the bunny's pain. I replied that I'm sure it wouldn't, as these guns are designed to be safe to use, and not cause injury.
But now I'm wondering, might it work?
All my ammo is .20, and the guns have never been chronod.
Any advice?
And please hold back the insults and flaming. That this is happening has me close to tears. If Animal Services doesn't come soon, I dunno.
With the squirrel, they never did actually come.

I'm sorry about your situation. My cat can be an asshole and has mauled and left plenty birds barely alive to die. As hard as it was for me, I've put them out of their misery with a shovel. Probably one of the hardest things I've had to do in the past.

I doubt that an airsoft gun, even a CO2 revolver would have enough power to kill something that big - even at point blank. If I were in your position I would probably use a shovel again. Whatever you use, just be sure that it could kill it and not make it suffer more.

If you are sure it is mortally wounded or animal services is questionable in actually getting the animal, I would suggest not to experiment with airsoft .. i doubt that it would be immediately lethal, and would likely not cause the animals demise - it could even extend the animals suffering. Breaking the animals neck, would be the more effective, immediate, humane solution.

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You could just buy a pellet gun with the correct pointed varment rounds to put the animal out of its misery. I doubt our airsoft guns, even highly upgraded ones would do anything but cause more pain for the animal.

The amount of people in the comments section saying "Can you do it again but with a living rabbit" is really making me WTF

I would also vote for a pellet rifle with proper ammo, they work, you know they work, not expensive, quiet, and then you have another plinking toy!

Another option would be real guns, 22 shorts with a long barrel are pretty damn quiet, providing you don't live in the suburbs...

I don't think even the steel .88g bb's I've seen around would have the impact required.

One swift stroke with a shovel is much more humane, but wait and see if animal control shows up first.

Hunting (Varmint) ammo works, it's in the name...

I don't think it's a good idea.
I have a mouse problem in my apartment, and I decided to take matters into my airsofty hands after the traps weren't catching them.
Nailed the sucker 3-4 times, but it just skidded along the floor while running.

Do not use an airsoft gun. I've been in similar situations, and the best thing, if you have to kill it, is to do it as quickly as possible. It's never nice, but if you cannot reasonably save it, and if you have the stomach for it, a quick stomp will do the trick. When I was younger I tried killing a rat we had caught with a pellet gun, it didn't turn out well. The bugger was resilient, and took nine rounds, it was messy. Anyways, it seems cruel, but you'll feel better ending it quickly. Don't do it in front of the kids obviously.

It kind of is in their nature to maul random animals, working dogs are what they do they do a job like chasing and killing rabbits, chasing out ducks, or herding animals or whatever. My ex's cat would bring back "presents" or "offerings" for her all the time (all dead thankfully).

A 495 FPS air rifle with Varmint ammo point blank should do the trick. Or of course a shovel if you can stomach it.

I got shot several times at point blank in airsoft and managed to survive, I you see what I mean ;)

495fps pellet gun with .22 will kill at point blank, .177 would may not and cause more inhumane pain.

Rodent kills are normally done with 1000+fps pellet guns.

You're more likely to just injure it even more. Be a man, break it's neck.

Not too sure if a 495 FPS gun with a .22 at point blank will kill it... And will probably put the animal through much more pain. To end a living beings life, a real firearm would be needed. I doubt the BB will even go half way through the animal at point blank. Sorry using an airsoft gun to end an animals suffering sounds just plain stupid.

You would need a PAL airgun (1000+ fps) or a firearm.

Potential damage from airsoft.
 

Looks like a shovel will be my best bet next time.
Animal Control came, so for the nonce it's not somethin I need to worry about.
I've broken animals' necks before, this one was torn enough to make that unrealistic. Living central Oshawa real firearms are out, besides I sold mine in favour of airsoft.

You'll kill it for sure with enough 400fps point blank, but it's not as humane as a knife, or shovel, or breaking its neck.

Seriously? Have you ever fired a 495 fps .22 air rifle? They can make clean holes through 1/4" plywood with the right ammo...

Get a legitimate pellet rifle and the ammo meant for hunting shit like squirrels. problem solved.


Then you know nothing. You're probably the same type who'd try for headshots while hunting or advocate leg and arm shots be used by the police. Simple fact is, you're wrong and they are used quite often for small game hunting.

While most "Canadian tire" rifles at 495 fps are used for plinking and some hunters get higher fps for their purpose, the 495 fps rifles with the correct ammo are more than capable of taking small game such as rabbit, squirrel, coon and some even use it to deal with crow and chipmunk problems instead of hunting.

it sounds cold but,...

a framing hammer solves the problem pretty fast

Same as a shovel or a fish club. May sound cold but mercy is mercy.

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Choose one... might make a mess though.

I'm a personal fan of the hatchet and stump method for when my dogs get a squirrel or chicken. Both bladed and blunt ends work well enough in my experience.

From experiance:

Airsoft: require a mag full to kill a pigeon. So it's unpractical and inhumane.
Pellet rifle: Work very well. Aim for vitals. Avoid shooting at the head of small mamals. Birds are heasy to kill.

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Don't use airsoft. Ever. Period.

.177 cal pellet under 500 fps is not sufficient for anything larger than a field mouse or small birds.

.22 cal pellet (heavy weight hunting round, don't be stupid and use a wadcutter or something) under 500 fps can kill squirrels or small rabbits. Like hunting anything else, shot placement is important: EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU DO IT. Don't do headshots with low power air guns, skulls are harder than you might think.

Otherwise use a knife or a shovel (spade) or snap its neck. Don't just let it suffer to death.

Wow. Just wow. You're probably the same type of who'd try for headshots while hunting?
A.) I don't go hunting.
B.) I never go for headshots, unless its Counter-Strike.
C.) F#%K off. Really? You're going to make assumptions of my character based on a comment I made on ASC? Get real. No wonder you are labelled "ASC's Whiny Bitch".

I was in a similar situation too. I accidentally jumped on the head of one of my pet chinchillas. I wasn't sure what to do, and more than freaked out. It took a few minutes to die, but fortunately it wasn't too prolonged.

Later on, someone suggested that if you don't have the stomach to kill the animal with your hands - or want to avoid a mess - you should put the animal in a bag, and hook it up to the tail pipe of your car.

It's not the most pleasant way to die, but if you're squeamish like me and can't bring yourself to provide a more hands on death, the gassing is an option better than prolonged suffering.

Airsoft is a big no no. That's what we use to get the red squirrels from trying to burrow into our roof. (One actually managed to eat through the roof and ended up in our kitchen. So we needed to do it)

When my cat decided to be an asshole and bring mice/small birds into the house half-alive, I brought it outside and used a 495fps 0.177, and ballistic ammo (the expensive stuff at Canadian tire) with a point blank shot through the bottom of the jaw into the head, or a shovel. Whatever was easy to get at so it didn't need to suffer.

For larger stuff (my dog loved to bring moles in), I used a spade and a very hard hit on concrete to put it out of misery. Nothing that'd risk putting it in more pain.

Potential damage from airsoft.
 

Yup, and that's what I want.
I gotta say, if ASC users looked at my signature or learned a thing about me, it's that I DO know dogs well more than a little.
I didn't want to start a conflict with this topic, and I've gleaned already that the hardest airsoft isn't adequate, and I'm window-shopping a stronger air gun in case such happens again.
Back on topic, my vet niece is pretty sure the bunny would be put down because it's not a pet and its bones would be too fine to pin. The Animal Services rep who came out said he's seen bunnies worse off than what I surrendered, and they recovered.
Shayla isn't the kind to BS, and Animal Services may've been trying to console the surrendee. But I like hearing that maybe the lil thing might be okay.
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get a .177 pellet gun with a target pellet (pointy), they use then to hunt small animals, so they would end those poor guys since they do have the power.

any firearm that shoots over 400fps is lethal to small game such as rabbits and squirrels I know because I have actually hunted them with my airsoft m4 and it killed them out right but you have to hit them in the head or neck anywhere else is just going to make them bleed out at a slow rate.

Been in a really similar situation with my cat... skip the airsoft get a strong stomach and a shovel/rock and put it out of its misery. A pellet gun point blank could also do the trick.

A 500fps or more .22 pellet would be more humane. They usually hunt with 1000fps .22 air rifles. Those have enough joules on impact to kill with 1 shot. They require a permit though.

.177 is only good for small birds. Squirels and rabbit require more.

500 fps .22 pellet can do small rats, squirrels, maybe a small rabbit... its not the best choice though. And if you're going to go above 500 fps (requires PAL) you might as well get a real .22LR and not worry about it. There are several decent .22LRs you can get in the same price range (~$200) as low end high-power .22 air guns.

I know for a fact that a 400fps .177 pointy pellet isn't that great on small animals, been tested on a skunk (not me, a long time ago, don't ask).

It took way more shots than you'd want to bring it down

wtf airsoft for this, really?

I thought we solved this already.

I call bs on this, and if true, that's a pretty shitty and inhumane thing to do, not to mention bordeline retarded if you're doing this where the public can see you with an M4

I have .25 pellet, that is knock down power.

Public or no public. Firing airsoft guns at animals is a sign of pure stupidity and is probably considered animal cruelty which has maximum term of 5 years in jail or a hefty fine...
I don't how a squirrel or a rabbit can be killed by airsoft unless person in question is a sneaky "leet delta blackops stepznaz" operator who shoots squirrels point blank in the eye...

Regardless of whether or not an Airsoft or Pellet gun COULD kill, it would be illegal to do so.

Oshawa has by-laws which make it an offence to discharge a Firearm within city limits, except for certain areas where hunting is permitted. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled, just this week, that this included any barreled weapon which shoots projectiles faster than 214 fps, which includes most Airsoft and Pellet guns.

Grab the body. Grab the neck. Twist in opposite directions.

Man the fuck up.

City people WTF?

Despite the fact that yes most cities do in fact have bylaws regarding discharge etc. try and keep your paranoia in the appropriate thread please. It seems like your sole aim here is to spread your opinion of the recent rulings.

Pus bang bang

Lawfully licensed to hunt with an M4 airsoft gun? This is what we're encouraging now?