does anyone know wats wrong with Xtreme Precision?
 

any one went to the store recently? is it still opened? because no one answeres when i call in :???:

Was down there recently, just over a week ago. They are still open.

What's wrong with XP? Peter would be my guess.

dude go to specarms in richmond. fuck peter that guy is a prick an idiot and a misunfortunate conection to the airsoft community. will from specarms will hook you up way better than peter

I wasnt aware peter had anything to do with XP anymore, I've only really seen Jun & Optix down there.

They just say it because everyone else says it - alot of the sheep here follow eachother around in circles in the meadow bumping their heads into eachother asses.

LOL Ahmen!

actualy i have had a bad deeling with him a few years ago when i first got interested in airsoft

yeah, i'm not gonna bash any local retailers. i've bought stuff from all of them and they all had great service and great deals for me when i go. jun is a cool guy and he's who i deal with at xp.
i think jun wass in last week and monday also. they are usually there after 11 so call then.

delt with him many times, all good. Always deals, always fast.

Everyone seemed to jump on the "hate kang" bandwagon.
Just rember who imports the majority of airsoft in this country. From what I understand, he imports airsoft and sells to Canadian retailers...so like it or not, even now, most of the guns you buy in Canada at one point, came from Peter Kang.
Say what you will, if you want something, he is the man to deal with, cant argue there, and thats not a biased oppinion, im simply not joining the ASC hatewagon that shunned a long time member of our airsoft community because another retailers tells us to, and saying hes a bad retailer because of a few bags of unsent BBs isnt right. For all the things that have gone wrong, much more has gone right.
For the most part, we deal almost exclusivly with Peter. If you want something rare, he can get it, and almost always at lower prices then anyone else in the country.

Now in my own defence, I don't "hate Kang", but he (or XP) still owes me a 12V battery for a PSG-1 & a bag of .2 bb's. I paid $1200 at the time for a working PSG-1 with battery & bb's... I received a broken PSG-1 and nothing else.

There's a reason Peter has gotten on the wrong side of alot of Airsofters. Just because the guy can import volume doesn't recify the stunts he's pulled.

I'll leave it at that, I don't want this to turn into a Bash Peter/Xtreem thread.

I dropped a couple hundred dollars at Xtreme Precision web store about 3 weeks ago. Four days later my stuff arrived.

I don't know what Peter Kang has done in the past to be so villified; as long as he's not forcing anyone to do anything against their will I don't care and will be a repeat customer.

There are a few reasons XP isn't listed on the Canadian Retailers list, most if not all have to do with Peter's business practices. He's been described as the biggest threat to airsoft in canada by some people.

If it was a truely legitimate business they wouldn't have to operate under various different names (Airsoft world, Xtreme Precision, etc).

airsoft world and xp have something to do with eachother?

when i buy there....i get reciepts and stuff.
xp did supply alotta guns to other retailers through canada.

No offense Lisa but that is such a load of bullshit. Seeing that posted above only declares to the rest of us how misinformed you and many others are. Bad form - that's a blanket assumption.

How many here have the history and facts on how Asia Pacific (APEC) came to be Xtreame Precision? Yes they have had their problems, yes they screwed a few many things up - and I can count a few more retailers that have done the same. Ironically they are not on the 'let's lynch and burn this guy' list of ASC trends and fads.

Don't take me the wrong way either - i'm not trying to defend anything but the FACTS which comprise the truth. Most of which get DELETED in threads that are all too often LOCKED and shut down because the discussions get too 'heated' - oh my! Dare things get a little controversial?!!??!

What qualifies a business to be truely legitimate?? Continual branding? When did Oil, Gas, Insurance and so many other corporate businesses become exempt to this. Most insurance companies operating in Canada over the past 50 years have gone thru at least 10 name changes, merger, rebranding or otherwise. Incidentially they were issued TWO GST#'s by the CRA after incorporation - one to each name.

Airsoft World and XP are two completely different operations.

Dont want to be an ass Lisa, But Airsoft-World is a totally different place then XP.

My mistake, I was on the understanding both were the same.

not like Double Edge Airsoft and Rangers Airsoft huh?

Or, unless I'm mistaken, Airsoft Kelowna and 007

If I had some brains Id come to the conclusion that airsoft sales in Canada are sort of a monopoly...

Double Edge was around a long time ago, but they closed down for some reasons i'm not sure of. They then basically just did wholesaling and importing for Rangers. Then Double Edge came back as a retailer. So no, they aren't exactly the same. They both had the same people or group design their websites, but they are owned by different people. And as for Airsoft Kelowna and 007, i'm not sure about that. I don't think they are the same though. I'm sure Ken is kept busy with just 007 that he doesn't need to open up another website to get more business. It could be perhap the same as Rangers and DE. That 007 is just supplying Airsoft Kelowna. I don't know for sure, so I won't say anymore on that. As for airsoft retailers in Canada being a monopoly, well I don't think that's right either. It depends on which province you are in though. I've noticed the majority of retailers that are operating right now, or open up and then close down after a while are located in the prairie provinces. 007, Rangers, DE, K-2, M1, and Replikator, just off the top of my head. Vancouver has two retailers that I know of, Spec Arms and XP. Ontario has a few, mostly Tru and Six MM that I can name. And one in the maritime provinces. All of these retailers are owned seperately to my knowledge. Some of them act as suppliers to other retailers, but I wouldn't call that a monopoly. The ones that do act as suppliers are just doing it to make some extra cash and help out other retailers to supply more airsoft to the community. There isn't a lot of profit is retailing airsoft, plus most retailers do it as a part time thing. It's a lot of work to run a retail shop and have a life outside of airsoft.

As for XP, well i've never dealt with them but have heard stories both good and bad about Peter. I've dealt with Jun who apparently works there and can say it was a great experience dealing with him. So if anyone wants to order from XP, deal with Jun. He's nice. :salute:

That is all I have to say. I'm sure nothing I said made any sense or had anything to do with the topic, in fact i can't even remember what topic this is. Where's all the gaijin pics???

Mailing Address Only
Rangers Airsoft Corp.
4542 Manilla Road SE
Calgary, Alberta
T2G 4B7



Mailing Address
Double Edge Inc.
4542 Manilla Road SE
Calgary, Alberta
T2G 4B7

different emails and phone numbers I belive, but even what they have in stock is the same....looks the same to me.

well actually if you look at m1 airsoft rangers and dea they have the same adress and postal code and the last numbers of the phone numbers are the same

XP is fine, i've never had a problem with them, and Jun and co. are great folks - always let me play with their toys when i hang out down there, try out their japanese massage chair...*drool*

they just have to renew their domain name.

Don't mean to thread jack but are there any retailers on the island at all? or just in van....

Gandar, you are mistaken.

and an elaboration on that would be..... :tup:

Droc, anyone who knows us here at Rangers or DEA knows there is no big secret, and we have said it before. Before making assumptions, it is public information you can get very easily, as both Rangers Airsoft Corp. and Double Edge Inc. are legal registered incorporated companies that are owned by different people. We simply realize that it's easier to work together as opposed to working against each other. When you have people such as Jackson from Rangers and Roger from M1 Airsoft, whom I personally know, and trust 100%, then why would you not work together, to try and make the airsoft community better for all of you? We share resources, as it's a smart business decision. We are all in the same City, and they are all completely trustworthy, so why would we not?

As for your earlier comment about most of the guns in Canada coming from Peter..... I may have agreed with that comment 5 years ago, but much has changed since then, and today, I can assure you that comment may no longer be very accurate.

Anyways, just happened to see this post, and although I have posted this up on ASC before, it appears that not everyone saw or heard about it, so Yes, Rangers, M1 Airsoft and DEA are all seperate companies, owned by seperate owners, and YES, they are located in the same city, and work very closley together simply as a business strategy to share costs, and give the airsoft community better service.

ive dealt with xp many times. no problems for me. and jun is a great guy, very knowledgable and friendly. if anything, contact him, u wont regret that

XP is owned by Peter Kang who i have personaly never had a problem with becuase i got into airsoft a year ago so he was long gone. Jun who runs the day to day operations at XP is awsome. He will go out of his way to get you what you want. Ive had a few dealings with XP and all have been 100%. I got a Gun that leaked gas, brought it back and exchanged it, with out any issue. So if and i stress if Peter is a dink and i dont know that he is, Jun runs XP and hes just good people.

Airsoft Alliance Canada...

an alliance of companies.. to acheive economy of scale.. and to reduce expenses by reducing duplicated business processes.

You see this sort of thing all the time.. the most obvious example is the Airline industry.

No conspiracy... just good business,

And great companies to work with...

I buy all my stuff through Rangers... and I strongly recommend everyone else that I introduce to Airsoft do the same.

You find a good supplier.. you stick with them... rather than going with the cheapest guy out there every time.
Even if you pay a little more.. it pays back long term.

Well, I've seen it posted on this forum in different places that 007 is located in Edmonton, and that its synonymous with Airsoft Kelowna, and since I can add to this, I will. What I can tell you as a customer who visits Ken on a regular basis is that 007 is in Calgary and is run from his home part-time. He has a room set-up like a shop to have people over to check things out and maintains a pretty decent selection for such an operation. He answers mail faster than any other airsoft retailers I've dealt with and occasionally puts the site on hiatus while he catches up on repairs, upgrades and inventory because he IS 007 airsoft, and he's earned two degrees in the background. Not a bad trick.

I run the online Army Surplus Kelowna store, and I work in the same office as Taz, the owner of Airsoft Kelowna. Our two online stores are one in the same, so I can tell you that 007 and Airsoft Kelowna are two completely separate companies, though they have done business from time to time. Hope that clears any confusion up.

i was down there a month ago, a little hard to find but jun was very helpful and he said they supply alot of retailers like Dave's Army Sulpus and dont really sell to single customers maybe thats why their site isnt or hasnt been updated for the public lately???

Peter Kang is the shit. He gave me an unbeatable price, he shipped same day and he was the first retailer to answer my emails. I suggest him to anyone!!!

I don't know if this is old news, but it looks like Seals Action Gear has the same address as Rangers and DEA too... I just figured that out because my M16 was picked up at Seals Action Gear.

I heard that Walmart just bought out the airsoft industry.

Peter Kang certainly is shit.

But Jun is good to deal with.

I took your post seriously and I frantically searched the Walmart website for airsoft gear. I hate you.

Luckily - no one took you seriously. Not even Walmart...

+1 for Jun. One of the most friendliest, down-to-earth guys on the field. Oh and did I mention his most awesome M14...?

Speaking from experience, I will not drop by either Specarms or XP until I am 100% certain (ie: phoning ten minutes before I leave) they are in. On multiple occasions for both, during their normal, announced business hours, they've been closed. Not on a lunchbreak or anything, CLOSED. Make sure you phone ahead before you drop by!

I've dealt with specarms and XP. no problems ever :)

Jun's M14 is awesome :-D

Right... I actually was curious if Wal-Mart maybe sold BB's or anything airsoft related because of his post. What are you talking about?

Wal-Mart DOES in fact sell .24g Daisy BBs, then of course the Daisy and Crosman SoftAir 'guns.' So you weren't far off.

Sweet. Thanks, but I think I'll stick to the TM and AE BB's. Take Care

Norbert