Accurate AEG @ 150+ ft with heavier BB's under $500
 

I have looked through the forums and I wasn't able to find a specific or recent answer to the dilemma of "What is the most accurate AEG under $500 out of the box?".

I've contemplated GBB but the cool down effect and the need for warmer temperatures have scared me off a bit. The ease of use of an AEG potentially outweighs the realism and maintenance of a GBB in my mind.

I'm looking for a rifle for use in more of an infantry-like support role while playing outdoors. Field limit is 425 FPS with .20 for non sniper rifles. Realizing that heavier BB's are more accurate I run .28 in my current M4.

My goal is to find something that doesn't need a boat load of $ in upgrades to deliver accurate results over distance in excess of 150 feet. I have read that the SG550 from G&G is already very accurate and I was trying to find out from a group of experienced players what other contenders under $500 are out there.

Reliability and consistency are obviously key components of the decision process. Size and weight of the weapon aren't really important to me but I would prefer to stay away from actual sniper rifles.

Thanks in advance for your input.

From personal experience, I'd be another vote to the SG550 from G&G, the thing is a naildriver.

I've heard that with a V7 gearbox's hop up those things are supposed to be awesome. I'd probably grab a CYMA or G&G M14.

echo1 m14 (pretty sure its a rebranded cyma with a better hop up)

any gun with a reputable hop up chamber casting... compression/reliability upgrades and a pdi w hold will get those results easily.

if your local fields allow for greater than 1.48J then you should be using heavier than .28s.

I use .32s at 1.4J to devastating effect, but I also have full blown r-hop setups with very little fps variance (air leaks)

150ft is only 45m. You should be able to hit a man sized target consistently with any AEG out of the box using .28s.

In comparison I'm hitting 10" pie plates at that range.

The biggest problem with accuracy out of the box in any gun is air seal consistency. You can't expect the BB to hop the same from one shot to the next when the first shot leaves at 390 fps and the next one at 360.

2nd additional vote for G&G SG550! Hell even my SG552 is really accurate and gets tons of range with 320fps.

I have modded my current rifle with a tightbore 6.03 and a ProWin Hopup using a PDI w/ hold and it did increase range and accuracy. I'm looking for something out of the box that doesn't need a bunch of monkeying around to get it to reach its potential.

I don't suspect that many guns would have an issue hitting a person at 150 ft. Unfortunately I can't get the guys I'm playing against to walk erect in the open. :lol: They insist on only showing my the top of a head or a shoulder. Since that is the case, a target half the size of the pie plate would be preferable. I'm still experimenting with different weights in BB's and haven't tried anything heavier than .28 yet.

Out of the box, man sized target, 150 feet, ...maybe, but not likely consistently, not in that price range, not without modding/upgrading, etc. 150 feet and a small target, like a head sized, probably a marui VSR, Marui M14, Systema PTW, Marui MK23, etc, but only one is realistically in your price range. There's a few others, but time, money, effort, equals efficiency, not a lack of those things.

an out of the box AEG under 500$ hitting something the size of a head at 45m consistently without modification is unlikely.

Probably go after the ones with proven good airseal.. but out of the box if I were buying it, I'd still gut it.

Accuracy is less about how much money you throw at it and more about fine tuning. With about $150 in parts you can make almost any AEG shoot very accurately.

Difficult enough for some stock PTWs to hit a dude at 150ft accurately lol

well... depends but not really. most stock out of the box factory ptw will hit the 150-180ft range. but to get the 250ft man sized MOA shots you need the mod done.

any stock AEG that is taken to a competent gun tech for lubrication, and tuning will do the job of 150 ft man sized accuracy or better. Add 30 dollars for a SCS and a hopup rubber you can push that out to the 200's.

A new Systema assembled PTW since 2007 will be able to do that easily (It won't be able to take heavy weights though...The original hopup could barely lift 0.25g)
If you are refering to FCC's Fail-TW...Read Mcgvyver's post on it, I'm not impress with the pictures as evidence.

Generally speaking you can get a $350 gun to shoot extremely accurately if it was properly tuned. I know someone in Edmonton that modify a WE Katana that can easily make 250ft on a 12" (Total cost was not over $500 and considering MOSFET was the most expensive item) Granted he was a guntech himself.

We had "3" stock/out-of-the-box Systema Final Evolutions, hitting soccer ball sized targets at over 200, and BBs travelling over 270. All measured targets and using 0.28g and 0.30g BBs. Older models wouldn't do this without modification, but 150 foot would be doable.

KA M4 + Rhoped Prommy barrel set = under 500

Wondering what is on the list for $150. Inner barrel, hop up, bucking, spring, piston?

compression components usually... sometimes barrel.. hopup rubber.

Cylinder head, piston head, nozzle (sometimes) around 40-50$
good hopup rubber like pdi w hold 13$
I roll with prommy barrels, so that's around 70$

spring and piston are irrelevant. Properly tuned compression and hop can lift a BB out to 50-60m Which is beyond your 150ft requirement.

A stock TM pistol using .28s can hit targets at 50m (man sized) reliably. That would make the BB travel probably around 250fps on green gas.

At bare minimum
barrel + hop up setup
piston head
air nozzle

And the rest is fine tuning. Getting rid of wobble, making sure the hop up is leak free, making sure the cylinder setup is leak free and compresses right away. With a good air seal you should a deviation of less than +- 2 fps and at least 50 fps more than the spring is rated for.

I've purchased a few of the suggested items for my current load out. I will try testing a couple of the candidates mentioned when the weather turns.

Thanks guys.

Deepfire Hop Up
 

If youre an armalite fan find yourself a deepfire ptw style hop up unit. You will have to change out the hop up unit inside for a total of 7$ from redwolf. All said and done i can price one out for about 500 with similar range and accuracy of a ptw.

Slight Modifications required for fitment.

Warning, I have a Deep Fire PTW style hopup and I have yet to find a body it fits in. Tried King Arms, VFC, G&P.

I've installed Lonex nozzle, piston head and cylinder head with a ProWin Hop Up using PDI /w hold bucking. Running a 483 mm Madbull Black Python 6.03 and BB Bastard .28g bios.
Fielding it next weekend and I will post my results.

never been a fan of the prowin hopups... but the rule is.. if it works, it works.

My G&G m14ebr long is very accurate right out of the box, as is my Bolt b4 sop mod. Not too far behind is my Magpul pts pdr. A friend has an Aftermath Kraken that's just stupid accurate,LOL! and my old one was actually pretty decent too.

I've heard from more than one source that the deepfire chambers were also garbage.
Although it mimics the PTW's hop chamber, it does not by any means guarantee performance. Nor is it a huge contributor to the performance of the PTW.
I would RATHER have a PTW style chamber on my aeg, but it's a matter of quality over concept.
AUG's, vfc XCR's, G3 series, FAL and SIG series all use rotary dial hop chambers which are very good at delivering accuracy.
The M14 uses something similar to a PTW style adjuster as well.
I would argue that a well done R-hop on a rotary dial chamber could contend with a PTW hop chamber.
But my point is, don't think you'll get any sort of major performance from an M4 style hop chamber, because they're complete shit. The design is terrible, the adjustment is way too sensitive, and there's too much slack allowed for bounce.
What you want in a hop chamber is absolute rigidity from everything, you want it to be as rigid as a fixed hop, but still adjustable.

Unfortunately my desire for a top performing rifle exceeds my knowledge base and skill set to get it there. The updates I've listed are the extent of my abilities to DIY.

I see all sorts of claims for different things like R hop but I would have no idea how to execute that so I went for the Pro Win.

PDI w-hold rubbers are a nice alternative to rhops. I put one in my vfc and range and accuracy are already improved with nothing else changed yet.

I tried the gun out today at the Hill while we did some construction and the range is definitely improved. I was able to accurately hit the trees near the pond side flag position from the top of the bluff with no problems at all which is about 180 feet or so. :)

Too bad someone can't figure out a way of fitting a VSR10 hop up unit. Consider it is bolt action, it is very very consist even for stock.

+1 to that. I have one in my AEG, GBBR, and my GBBP. Retarded range and consistency.

Any dealers that stock them locally?

airsoftstore.

I call hogwash on pdi w-holds.

The dont seal well at all in comparison to anything else ive tried in the exact same hop up unit/barrel grouping. Its come up a few times on asc - other users have experienced similar findings.

Not to mention if that "V" isnt perfectly centered youre going to get bbs curving to the left or right all over the place.

I also take everyones range claims with a grain of salt. Most people would actually be surprised at how far 100 feet is - let alone 180 or 200.

Prometheus purple till I d.i.e.

It all depends on the combination of everything. The GBBR PDI rubbers get great seals in the WE M4 I had, my current WE G17 and my WE SCAR.

I also have a custom build with a PDI rubber, Madpull tight bore, SHS M4 nozzle, and G&P metal hop-up and have a great seal with no FPS loss that I can see. I will admit you do have to make sure it is indeed lined up correctly, but a steady hand and careful placement does this. I have had no issues of curvature at distance thus far.

It is very subjective, as you mentioned and I have reiterated. Doesn't always work for everyone. BUT, when you get the right combination of things going, its a beauty.

Must admit though, dem Prommy purps is still da bombs.

I know my evaluation of range is good.. it's measured in 10m increments at both my local fields. If you really want I'll take a photo with me and a tape measure/rope next time i'm out there, but that's probably not good enough for you either.

In that case you can ask spike. :P

PDI W hold... The rubber itself seals very well, the mound is leaky. It lets air pass through the middle of the W over the bb and reduces fps. Best plug and play hop up setup is bridge hop. I notice very little difference between bridge hop and r hop under 450 fps.

Unless you are getting 50 fps higher than the spring is rated, you do not have a perfect air seal.

I hear some bad things about the PDI-W
But you know what I've never heard anything bad about in 8 whole years? FIREFLY.
They've been stocked and sold out fast for the past 8 years, they're that good. lol