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Meatshower March 3rd, 2014 22:34

Importing G&P DBAL PEQs
 
I wanted to get some clarification on this before I purchased one. I am considering purchasing a G&P DBAL PEQ box on ebay. But I am not sure if I can import it into Canada, whether it be due to ITAR restrictions or Canadian laws. Anyone know the 100% written in stone rules with bringing one in?

ShelledPants March 3rd, 2014 22:48

ITAR only applies to items made in the USA. G&P is Asia. Buying from the USA and having it shipped to Canada is fine. That item is not restricted in any way.

On the other hand, a real DBAL (LDI, for example), would be ITAR and would need to be imported with paperwork.

docholiday March 3rd, 2014 22:55

On that note the G&P DBAL is, as far as I know, not eye safe. You can only use it "for looks" but cannot fire if off during games as it can cause serious damage to the eye.

Verex March 3rd, 2014 23:02

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Originally Posted by Meatshower (Post 1873268)
I wanted to get some clarification on this before I purchased one. I am considering purchasing a G&P DBAL PEQ box on ebay. But I am not sure if I can import it into Canada, whether it be due to ITAR restrictions or Canadian laws. Anyone know the 100% written in stone rules with bringing one in?

There will be no issues with this since I just got one from Ebay, also ShelledPants is correct in regards to this not falling under the ITAR restrictions.

ShelledPants March 3rd, 2014 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by docholiday (Post 1873279)
On that note the G&P DBAL is, as far as I know, not eye safe. You can only use it "for looks" but cannot fire if off during games as it can cause serious damage to the eye.

Yeah, this is also true. Replica lasers are a big no no for games.

Do not even bring it to the field.

Derpystronk March 3rd, 2014 23:11

If you are importing the laser from China? No problems (Although Health Canada may potentially take a look at it)

If you are trying to import it from the United States? ITAR restricted.

If you are trying to use it with your Night Vision at a game? Don't.

Ozone06 March 3rd, 2014 23:14

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I like not being blind.

ShelledPants March 3rd, 2014 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deltastone (Post 1873283)
If you are importing the laser from China? No problems (Although Health Canada may potentially take a look at it)

If you are trying to import it from the United States? ITAR restricted.

If you are trying to use it with your Night Vision at a game? Don't.

This doesn't surprise me. ITAR is ITAR'DED.

Meatshower March 3rd, 2014 23:18

Alright, this is why I asked this question before dropping $150 plus on it lol.

Is there a eye safe IR PEQ? Like the PEQ16? I'm pretty new to this whole laser business

Derpystronk March 3rd, 2014 23:19

There are, but they aren't cheap for a number of reasons. Expect to pay over 700 dollars, easy. :/

ShelledPants March 3rd, 2014 23:23

LDI Class 1 IR can run you 700-900 depending on the source.

ThunderCactus March 4th, 2014 00:02

what if one were to import it, reduce the output to class 1 and measured by a reputable source?
because you can reduce the output of most lasers.

Derpystronk March 4th, 2014 00:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1873304)
what if one were to import it, reduce the output to class 1 and measured by a reputable source?
because you can reduce the output of most lasers.

Had a similar discussion a while ago - everyone just "Nah" for numerous reasons ("HOW DO WE REALLY KNOW?!?!?!?!")

Your best solution is to either

A) Buy that real shit

or

B) Buy a Class 1 diode from a reputable source, with paperwork, and potentially build your own shit... And then find additional ways to document it because your homebrew laser will come under additional scrutiny come game time.

Styrak March 4th, 2014 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShelledPants (Post 1873278)
ITAR only applies to items made in the USA. G&P is Asia. Buying from the USA and having it shipped to Canada is fine. That item is not restricted in any way.

On the other hand, a real DBAL (LDI, for example), would be ITAR and would need to be imported with paperwork.

ITAR is a US export law, not anything related to Canadian import.

ThunderCactus March 4th, 2014 15:13

the paperwork is how you would know
also, have you ever seen a class 1 laser directly compared to a 5-8mw laser through night vision? the difference is pretty substantial. given they provide paperwork its easy to check it under nvd to verify their claims.
its like the difference between a 200 lumen light and a 60 lumen light lol

sab567 March 4th, 2014 20:02

I have a DBAL PEQ15 from G&P, use it in night game WITHOUT the laser, only the IR light with ajustable beam wich work not so bad.

If you have an idea of how to reduce the output or where we can buy a classI IR diode let us know I'll do it for sure.

And according to you, a class3 IR laser is highly visible like a light saber in the night, and a classI only show a DOT.

ThunderCactus March 4th, 2014 20:50

depends on the amount of particles in the air, all lasers can form that solid beam path
The difference is in the dot, really.
The 5mw is noticeably brighter than the 1mw or lower.

I've tuned down an IR diode but have yet to find someone with a laser power meter to effectively measure it lol
Anyway compared side by side with a 5mw IR laser, the 5mw makes a VERY bright dot, easily visible from hundreds of feet away, "unnecessarily bright for airsoft"
The laser I've tuned down makes a dot with no glare to it, and frankly I doubt you buddy standing beside you would even notice it at 200 feet unless he knew the general area of it. It's "visible enough" to me at 300ft, but it's definitely not like swinging around a lightsaber like the 5mw lol
I'm pretty sure I've just tuned it down way too much and it's under .5mw, but I've also got the beam nice and tight so it's only making about a 1" dot out at 200ft.

Just gotta find someone with a laser power meter now... used to be a guy in wpg, but he left airsoft a long while back


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