Spetsnaz Rifle to Pistol Transition
 

For all you AK lovers!

Proper rifle to pistol transition Spetsnaz - YouTube

Awesome, but is that really practical in the middle of a firefight? Seems like it would take too long to transition, unless you've practiced it a lot, but even then, wouldn't it be quicker to just let your rifle hang on your side (2 point sling) and then just draw, aim and shoot with your sidearm?

Do you even know who the Spetznaz are? They're the "we don't give a fuck" special forces. They train like hell so that they can do that faster than it takes to drop a rifle

No, apparently I don't know who Spetznaz are, and secondly there is no "Spetznaz" unit, Spetznaz is a term used loosely meaning literally "Special Purpose Forces". So this guy in the video was part of a Combat Spetznaz unit, and does some weird looking transition so I asked if it works in real life. Can you do it that fast? It's a nice looking technique I'll give it that, but that's about it. In the video, the guy doesn't do it fast, so essentially, it just looks like somebody trying to get cool guy points...

That is ridiculously inefficient. On so many levels.
* You're trying to keep a useless gun up.
* You're going to be potentially be firing a pistol with one hand.
* The rifle blocks half your line of pistol fire.
* Your movement and balance is incumbered by trying to keep the rifle up.
* You have to sling your rifle while trying to manipulate your pistol.

If your primary goes dry, get it out of your way immediately, and get your secondary up as fast as you can. Trying to keep your useless primary on target while you draw a secondary is about as useful as trying to keep it on target while you reload. And then trying to sling your primary while trying to fight with your pistol is also inefficient.

Watch "Deadliest Warrior: Spetznaz VS Green Beret" You'll learn pretty quick that the Spetznaz do a lot of inefficient things but they can be pretty effective with it

I wouldn't trust representation in this show to be anywhere close to what reality is. Unless Navy Seal really train by shooting dead pig with a mossberg...

Maybe someone should do an airsoft Spetz how to?

Dual wield some highcap stuffed TM Betas (Sonny's kinda done that one already too though).

For anyone who watched with the sound off the point is the primary stays downrange to spook anyone who pokes their head up during the swap.

That's kind of where I wanted to go with my comment about it being as efficient as reloading with your muzzle remaining on target, instead of bringing it into your work space. But then I got distracted.

You should have a very fast transition time, and the transition time will be even faster without this ridiculous method. I've hardly ever heard a modern instructor advise someone to "sacrifice your speediness in getting effective rounds down range, in favour of keeping your muzzle pointed at the enemy, in the hopes that they get scared".

If they're not scared to shoot back at you while your gun is actually firing, then it's doubtful that they'll be more afraid of you when your gun stops firing-but-is-still-pointed-at-them.

Perhaps if it took 3 seconds to draw a pistol, it might be worth adding another another second to your draw time by doing this, in the hopes that you'll keep the enemy's head down...And then the sacrifice your accuracy and effectiveness with your pistol...And the sacrifice of reduced mobility while you're holding your dead primary up...And the sacrifice of breaking focus and balance in order to sling your dead primary while keeping your secondary effective.

...But a transition should take less than a second to perform, once you make the decision to do it. If the enemy couldn't get a shot at you while you were actually firing your weapon, it's very unlikely that the enemy will somehow catch on to the fact that you have no weapon for a second, and somehow find a way to shoot you as you transition.

In Soviet Russia trainer shoots you.

If your primary goes dry, I would argue that you should reload it, rather than switching to an inferior weapon.

Are you implying that a PM is not as superior as an AK, comrade?

But yes, I do agree that if you are able to, your primary weapon should be functional at all times. However, alternating to a pistol is often faster. It's up to the shooter to decide what to do in any particular situation, and its where training comes in.

ROFL.... am I the only person who got this jokeÉ

They don`t.Everyone knows they stab a dummy made out of bleeding jello instead

I doubt any information in that show is accurate...It's just a show, to get the studio higher ratings and make the producers rich.

How about looking at it more practically?
The transition isn't quite as fast as the more commonly known magpul style draw
And it would take longer to bring your rifle back up to reload
BUT have you ever tried to run full tilt with a rifle hanging in front of your balls or on your hip? It fucking sucks.

Also keep in mind, most of these tactics are based on the AK and a 2pt sling. The most basic of cheap gear. They also train to use that sling in hand to hand combat, so they don't always have it around their neck.
Even the US forces of the era didn't have all this fancy shit like tacos and 3pt slings and serpa holsters.
So how about you compare that style of training and fighting, to cold war era US gear?
leather buckled pistol holsters, ALICE gear, 2pt slings, and mag pouches with flaps on them. Seems more practical to throw the rifle on your back now, doesn't it?

keep in mind deadliest warrior is a complete sham, works with very few variables, and is made in 'merica, which pretty well guarantees it's not going to be accurate

Hehe
> Elite special forces
> Using gear that's comparable to cold war era US gear

If your gear and weaponry is holding you back from being combat effective for the longest possible period (ie less "down time" of trying to get a working weapon into the fight), then change your gear. If you have inferior tactics, and you blame your gear, then change the gear.

If your rifle isn't slung, then drop it on the ground (unless you'll need it). A weapon that won't fire, is dead weight. Hopefully you'll be able to retrieve the weapon when it's needed, of course.

And yes, running full tilt with a rifle hanging between your legs, attempting to sterilize you, does suck. But have you ever tried to shoot a pistol one handed while trying to hold a rifle in front of you? That sucks too.

Afraid so.

I snickered at the joke. :)

Maybe during the cold war, it was an effective technique that was used, however as the times changed, so did the weapons, gear and equipment. We now have 1 point, 2 point, 3 point tactical slings, MOLLE vests and open mag pouches which significantly decreases the time you spend swapping mags. Besides, even size of the rifles have decreased quite a bit and there are carbines firing 5.56 NATO rounds but still keep a compact size, you just let go of that sucker with a sling on and it sticks to your chest and then you grab your sidearm, aim and fire

^ exactly
except russia still thinks it's the cold war

Lol

I still think it’s worth studying as a concept if only as ‘anthropological research’ on a martial art.

Sure, Taekwondo is an outdated style when compared to MMA Fighting, but that doesn’t mean Taekwondo kick won’t knock a dude flat out.

Given the equipment they had available at the time, I'd figure this wasnt such a bad technique.
People often evaluate techniques without trying to find what situation it was meant to be used for. This is an easy way to become ignorant and closed minded.

the video is more so for when you have a failure or when a tactical reload is not possible.

since the rifle isn't slung, he is demonstrating a technique to get it slung and draw your secondary. I'm sure in action that move would be a touch faster.

Well most people I assume (maybe I shouldn't) use a sling with their rifle and keep the sling on so that they can let it go and have it just "stick" to your chest. I'm going to go a little off topic for a bit so bear with me, I enjoy watching Instructor Zero's videos on Funker Tactical. Lot's of people bash him but I think he's pretty knowledgeable. He does that sling technique in one of his videos and I noticed that he did not have much gear on at the time. Also, this seems like an AK specific technique. I tried it with my SCAR, too hard to cradle with one arm while still keeping barrel on target. If it works, then I have no right to say anything, but I just think that there are more efficient ways to do the same thing with less movement.

Oh man, all this arguing.

It honestly seems faster to just reload provided your mag is ready to go out of the pouch, more so with an AR platform rifle but still with an AK.