First AEG & GBB
 

Hi, in about 1 month i will have enough money to purchase a AEG and a GBB- about $1200 CAD. Now i have come to find 2 guns that i like,
1. ICS M4A1 Carbine Retractable Stock (Full Metal)
2. HFC M92 M190 Special Force (Full Metal)
The reason i chose these guns is because im planning on keeping both stock (internally) and i am just looking for a strong, realiable, and durable gun. Although spending this much money on 2 guns i would like to know if you guys have some better suggestions for what im looking for.

Thanks

Well, first of all, you are 17, so good luck finding someone to sell you them. Most places require you to be at least 18.

As for you're choices, for you're first gun, I would go with Tokyo Marui, not ICS. Their plastic, but you shouldnt ever really break it. Their pretty strong. If you do a little searching you'll find out that Tokyo Marui's are more reliable than ICS. And I would not recomend that hand gun at all. HFC generally makes crap. Its full metal and goes for $98 US at redwolf. That says something right there. Go with a Tokyo Marui, Western Arms, or KSC. They may not be full metal, but their quality is much higher than HFC.

I personally wouldn't recommend the HFC M190 for two reasons. Finding spare parts for it in case something breaks would be very difficult and the hop-up for it is not adjustable.

Is this beretta from TM full metal?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/p11/145.jpg

Thanks, but if i were to buy the Tm i would eventually upgrade to a full metal body, stock, reciever, etc. so i would prefer to buy a full metal aeg at once, as for the gbb i think ill go with the TM and just get a metal slide and a stronger recoil spring.

Im turning 18 in 1 month :) (Sorry bout the double post)

i would get a kjw full metal gbb. I have the para 14.45 FM it was only 250 and it is full metal. It runs fine on propane and i think it shoots around 350fps. The only thing i dont like about it is how it does not have adjustable hop up.

well if you get a TM M4 S-System you wont really need to upgrade anything =). it's really nice, feels as solid as the AK and heavy. not too heavy. you won't even need a metal body unless your plastic one happens to crack/break from falling on your gun.

OR if you get any of the other TM M16/M4 variants then all you need to change to make it full metal is the body. thats it! but then some people get more problems with a metal hopup, others don't. you also lose the easy take-down feature.

anyway. it's up to you what route you want to take =)
I recommend TM over any other manufacturer.

No, TM does not manufacture full metal guns... the only companies that make full metal gbb pistols are KJW, HFC, WE, and perhaps some lesser known Taiwanese manfacturers..

On several websites, such as rangersairsoft/ and specarms. I cant find any metal slides for TM GBB, not to mention they are already very expensive let alone buying a metal slide and probably a recoil spring.

Yes, slides for TM guns tend to be rather expensive, but then again so are most metal slides. I reccommend looking into the KJW line of full metal Berettas (there is a chrome version)....cheap, reliable, and satisfyingly full metal!

I would like to stick with a Flat Black pistol, camo is key :D

Kuan Ju Works makes full metal "black" berettas just check them out, and for a first time gun i would recomend a tm, i bought a CA when i started, and i am paying for that decision in the long run


EDIT: i also have a full metal P14.45 by KJW, they are good, cheap, reliable guns

Now the question is the HFC M92 M190 Special Forces (Full Metal) or the KJW Elite 92F (Full Metal)

Same shit different pile.

do both of them support propane?

Both are metal and made for propane (or HFC22).

2 things 1 the ics m4 is a great gun i have had mine for 1.5 years my main aeg use it all the time and have yet to have a problem with it i like it alot more than the tm gun i have and never use. seccond keep in mine that black is not cammo. black is the absence of colour and never occoures in nature. yes black guns look good but if its cammo u want consiter painting it

Get a TM SR-16 and a KSC G19 with a Metal Slide

Is there any place i can buy a TM M4A1 and ask them to upgrade it to a full metal version before they ship it out?

that would be hella expensive

thas why ill just stick to the ICS M4, or the G&G M4, or the CA M4

G&G... take down was unparalleled by any other stock gun i've handled.

or G&P, but I don't know if the takedown is the same.

G&P's M4 takedown is a matter of TWO body pins IIRC. I havent play with Prowler's M4 in a lil bit but thats what I remember.

now correct me if i am wrong but are G&G way to hot for indoor play. alot of players on the team i play with have ICS and there good guns from what i am told. but i play with TM and only TM and there good guns. as for a pistol most of my team mates told me to stay the hell away from KJ M9s but they're glock are amazing. but i like WE out of all the pistol i have got to shot and hold there metal, cheap and kick ass.

i have a KJ-HEAD(jap version) M9 elite and i love it...not full metal but the slide is..hop up is fixed but still good...

well im a fan of full metal berettas, but i only want to be paying under 350.

each?

Ok, here's my dilemma: I have about 3-4 guns aegs i can't choose between. First off im looking for a Fulll Metal, Powerful, Reliable, and Good Build Quality. I've come to the desicion of these aegs:

G&G GR16 Carbine:
Hop-Up ADJUSTABLE
Weight 3,100 g
Length 790.0 mm
Capacity 450 rds
Power 350 fps
Motor G&G Custom Motor
Battery Size 9.6v1500mah
Shooting Mode Semi, Full Auto

G&P M4A1 (Extendable Stock):
PLEASE NOTE: This rifle is preupgraded to shoot ~410fps. We recommend an 8.4v 2400mah battery.
This G&P M4 series rifles come with full metal body, much higer quality engravings. Extendable stock allows you to adjsut the length of rifle to fits your body! Comes with a 130 round high capacity magazine. Metal flash hider can be screwed off for installation of a 14mm counter-clockwise threaded silencer, just like the Marui M4A1. Dust cover can be flipped open to reveal hop-up adjuster.

Hop-Up ADJUSTABLE Weight 4,900 g Length 760.0 mm Capacity 130 rds Power ~410FPS Motor EG700 Battery Size 8.4v600mah Shooting Mode Semi, Full Auto

ICS M4A1 Carbine Retractable Stock:
Hop-Up - ADJUSTABLE
Weight - 3,500 g
Length - 875.0 mm
Capacity -450 rds
Power - 275.0 fps
Motor - ICS Turbo 2000
Battery Size - 8.4v2000mah for M4
Shooting Mode - Semi, Full Auto

I will not be upgrading the guns any further so i want a gun that can be used well in the field and indoors without alot of mechanical problems.

Thanks

I dont think i want to purchase a TM and upgrade the body and internals so thats out of the question.

G&p

I heard G&P has some internal problems....aside from that im guessing a muzzle velocity reducer will do the trick for indoor games?

get the g&p out of the box you have to down grade to play..a muzzle velocity reducer i dunno about...use it you want IMO down grading sound better

im gettin a g&p m4a1 my self...a fellow memeber got me hooked on it (damn you SINN) he has no problems at all

for a m9 all metal kjw is your best bet...upgrade if you want...im gonna do it to mine...

You're looking at a minimum 800 dollars if it were new.

ya, im better off with either a G&P or a G&G. I just cant make up my mind on which has more Reliable internals.

Probably the G&G but the problems that the G&P has are pretty minor issues, such as selector plate, wonky fps etc etc. the small problems that it has are easy fixable, but the gun itself is nicer over then the G&G

that beretta is friggin HAWT

thats the next gun im buying

P11 Deuce
as far as i understand you have taken those prices from wargamer's shop? if so, good luck getting them through customs.;) and if i'm wrong please give me the link, becase i don't have the smallest clue as to wich canadian retailer sells GP airsofts.

I dont research with American-based airsoft websites. All my prices come from Canadian Retailers.....and i found all the G&P AEG'S i want at www.specarms.com

If I were you, I'd stick with the HFC M190. The metal version is almost rock solid, shoots very hard (more then comparable to the Marui version), can use Marui clips AND every single part in the gun is exchangable with the Marui M92F GBB... (So replacement parts are not impossible to come by)

Besides that, it's excellent at sharpshooting, has decent recoil, and every button works just like the real-steel counterpart. Personally, I love the gun. Just search for reviews, every one is more then positive, people swear by it.

g&p has best stock internals of any gun i've opened. their problem is in the assembly. there was a batch of "peter kang special upgraded" g&p m4a1 and spr's that were shooting 450-480 fps. everyone that i've worked on (about a dozen now and counting) had no real parts problems (only 2 had broken tappets and 1 broken selector). the problems were poor motor alignment(wiring not routed properly in grip causing motor to be shifted slightly and bind up) and cylinder lubrication. all the gears were shimmed well and there was a good amount of grease for them. the cylinders were very dry and this would cause wild variations in output velocity and excessive wear and damage to the piston head o-ring. i had to replace a couple of these with systema silent heads and i de-tuned a couple (removed the 210% pdi spring and installed an m120 spring) the de-tuned ones still fire at 370 fps +/- 2 feet and are deadly accurate. i think the upgraded ones should be de-tuned to something like 350 fps or so and with the proper lubrication and the inherent quality of their internals (i can't stress that enough) they should last a very long time.

i bought the hfc m190 last year. good gun. rock solid and reliable. the only bitch i had about it was it's sensitivity to cold. if i used it at any temp less than about +15c the green gas would not exert enough pressure to cycle the gun properly. i never bothered to check into it and i just use my glock in chillier temps. works great when it's warm out.

Get the G&G's when they come out with their version 3 guns if the release date is not that long from now. They have put a new mechbox in it, and they say that it is just as reliable as the TM mechboxes now...

it's still unproven and they said their last version was the shit. not a big fan of g&g yet. ump's have that faulty tappet issue and it was just released last month. i say stick with what you know and what is tried and true.

I was thinking of getting the HFC m190 but i recall someone saying to go with a KJW insted, personally i like the look of the m190...because im trying to get my gear to resemble US Special Forces.

I would focus on spending the bucks on your AEG first cause you will be using it alot more.

i am planning on buying both of them at the same time...most likely the g&g m4 and the HFC M190