Newer player looking into GBBRs
 

We'll I've only been at this hobby awhile and I've ended up with a VFC Scar H , G&G mp5 and a Cyma ak-47, which are all AEGs. Most recently I bought a KWA Mp7 and I honestly don't think I can continue on with AEGs other than being a back up. I'm fairly confident that I would love the whole mil sim scene and I am looking for a great M4 to go along with it.

So far I've been looking at the WE m4, KWA lm4 (magpul edition) and I've only seen a few things on King arms but it seems like they are the only ones with trades. From reading and watching a few videos / articles It seems that the KWA m4 is very user friendly as things are already upgraded and is ready to go out of the box. The WE m4 needs a metal trigger assembly right from the start and it geared more towards the people that want to upgrade and fiddle with things along the way. Again, I havent seen much on King arms.

Now, Obviously price is always an issue so I wont be buying it right away but I feel after winter would be a great present for myself ( since I work in the cold on a roof I feel i deserve something ) and that gas doesnt really work in the snow too well.

I've heard something of a VFC GBB M4 which sounds nice but I am scared of VFC since my scar just never seemed right from the start. The problem with youtube and google is that you always here the person say " I love this gun! I just got it today". Im looking for people that have these guns and can tell me in the long term how they hold up with and without maintaining them like crazy ( not that I wont maintain but just for thought ) what will happen to them.

Any information on these things would be VERY appreciated.

welcome to Gas

as much as I shit on them, for me I've had the best luck buying the WE rifles and then just putting parts into it, the hopup system is a proven one, and parts are cheap, VFC GBBRs for the most part are crap, alot of people like GHK but personally I think they are overpriced for the level of build quality that they are, KWA rifles, I would bet the internals will be pretty solid, but KWA hopup will always lose to TM vsr10 (WE openbolt) hopup design in terms of accuracy and consistency

Contrairy to what people seem to think, you DON'T need an upgraded trigger kit right from the start in WE rifles*.

It WILL break eventually. That said, I ran my WE rifles for 2 years before having to swap trigger parts. As soon as it got "new" trigger parts (bought a bunch from someone who "upgraded" everything right from the start), it came back to perfect (because the trigger was worn a bit, it would burst in semi some times).

Really, there is no point in upgrading anything until it break.

I'm just really excited to get a nice m4 gbb. If it turns out that the WE is the best one to grab, which seems like 90% of the stuff ive read. I'll be picking that up before winter even starts. Even though with the WE, it doesnt come with a rail system or anything . Is there any newer m4s coming out soon that I should wait for before making this decision?

if M4 is your poison, I'd say grab the WE, maybe get a nineball or a modify hopup for it, as often Ive found WE hopup rubbers swollen out of the box, and prepare to buy the full RAtech trigger box down the road, because it WILL wear out

Yeah thats what i've read in a couple different reviews. Here is my problem though. I'm new so I know what companies are decent and what not. But I still think the more expensive something is , the better its going to be. So when I walk into a store if its not the most expensive thing ill just dismiss it. I'm a hobby stores wet dream to be completely honest lol. But seriously I have no idea about 99% of things. Im trying to change that but its a slow process.


Btw can I post links here of what I've been looking at ?

I don't know what you mean by "no rail system".

You can get the M4RIS or HK416, both have rail systems on.

Jesus I cant think of the name for it now ... Where the fore grip goes.

Either way thats a minor problem. Am I able to link guns that I was looking at or should that be in the age restricted area ?

You can link pictures, yes.

M4 RIS
http://img01.militaryblog.jp/usr/air...S-M4A1RISe.JPG

HK416
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/media/cat...168_1_mark.jpg

I like the king arms m4. Based on the western arms system, there are tons of parts available.

get vfc mp5 awesone gbb
 

I have 2 MP5s and it shoot nice and sound great, I only collect gbb since AEG sucks

No one talked about the KJW ehh ! Not a lot of upgrades available, for the simple reason it doesn't need any. People complained about the Canadian looking magazine (Thermold) but there is a stanag version now available. Just throw a velocity reducer from Cradle and it's good to go, I've beaten mine and beaten again and it still works awesome !! Some mags need some work now, after 3-4 years of abuse and no propper lube and care :)

I bought a WE (open bolt) M4 just over 11 months ago and so far I have had no issues with it. I did have to install an NPAS because it was shooting way over 400 fps out of the box.

KJW never came up in anything I watched or read. Im looking at one of the retailers and I see this WETTI M4A1 ? Whats the TTI stand for ? Its an open bolt system which seems to be the superior to the closed bolt systems. Also, this one is only shooting 380 fps with .20s . seems low. I am looking at the kjw version 2 m4 and it looks pretty sweet. But again, why is it so much cheaper than the WE or the KWA? I like the idea of being able to change out anything and everything at anytime with the WE but even from this thread of heard of a few problems right from the start. The kJw also shoots 400+ which I would like and a thermold style mag. Though, Id wrap my mags in insulation tape if i had to. I want a rifle that I can pick up and play with and not notice any wobble or accuracy problems. Sounding like the KWA is going to be what I need. Im clearly not decided at all but if you guys can sway my decision , that would be a great thing for me. Main thing though is the wobble. I cant stand it and I wont have it.

Is there any other companies that we're leaving out in terms of quality m4's ?

- KWA
- KJW
- WE / WETTI
- VFC
- King arms

WETTI = WE

Back when they started GBBRs, they felt the need to make a new name/brand for their rifle seeing as their pistol lineup got the reputation of piece of crap guns.

Stands for WE Tactical Training International

Also, don't buy a closed-bolt setup. It's really bad.

Alright so I've looked around but have not held anything yet. I know I said I wanted the KWA last night but I think i'll try my hand with a WE m4 open bolt and learn to upgrade that myself. There seems to be endless parts I can change out for and a lot of review are telling me in my mind its the right choice. As long as it's 100% sturdy with zero wobble, that's what i'll be picking up. Since its so cheap I may even get it to play around with in my house.

On a side note, I said in an earlier post that I would wrap the mags in insulation tape if need be for winter gaming. I'm sure it would help quite a bit but it would take away from the realism obviously. Has anyone tried this method or is it just stupid ?

I have two WE GBBR's and they wobble :P Although one of them has the magic pin, not too sure how much I trust it though, at least it doesnt wobble.

dude you can draw man ..... Those vegetable super heros are sooooooo awesome! They are my new desktop wallpaper lol.


What kind of wobble? Just the stock or stock, mags and body wobble? Also, how have they held up over the time you've owned them and i'm assuming the second one is just for back up ?

This guy seems to know what hes talking about and he love his WE. WE M4 GBBR INTERNALS REVIEW - YouTube

Let me know if you guys agree.

I think i'm going to get the WE TTI M4 open bolt. Definitely in black :)

GHK is another company that makes GBBRs.
Also 380 fps is good for field games but it is too high for indoor/cqb games.

Just remembered that the only thing I had to replace on WE (open bolt) M4 was the rail. It looked as if the rail was being held in place by the delta ring but the delta ring was to small so the rail would pop out of the delta ring and the bottom half with fall off. I bought a real steel rail, spend 5 minutes installing it and it is in there solid. Though my M4 is now front heavy.

Buy the WE M4. Then go buy a real steel takedown pin for it (they're literally $3 or so). Wobble solved. I recommend Daniel Defense, since that's what I used on my WE 416.

WE also has the advantage of being milspec. You can't get any more real in airsoft. If you're willing to spend the money, at least. Check out turok_t's builds for an idea of what you can turn a WE M4 into.

Since WE is milspec, you can throw a rail on, throw on plain handguards, whatever you want.

Run the gun stock until it breaks, then upgrade stuff. Only upgrade you really need off the bat is an NPAS valve, and those are easy to install and adjust.

Mags are a pain in the ass though. Expensive, and they can be leaky little bitches. But that's true for all gas-in-mag systems.

LM4's are nice, but the magazines are quite hefty if you plan on carrying a ton.

You should also check out G&P's

Good luck.

I bought a WE m4 RiS by the looks of it. They call it a CQBR though, the fps is 420 on average. I think its the exact same platform as the m4 just with rails but I could be wrong. I love it though. The kick back is incredible and I can wait to play with this bad boy.

I've only gamed once with my M4 hahahah. It was pretty good, until it jammed twice, I think its mainly because of unloading mag while going into safe zone.

As for wobble, the mag wobbles on my M4, and the receiver wobbles. But as Skeletor mentioned, get real steel take down pins, which I will try. My m416 mags dont wobble, the previous owner wrapped a single layer of electrical tape, and its pretty firm when its in the mag well. As for stock, both my guns have the Magpul CTR stock, so it has that friction lock, no wobble :).

And it's nice to fit RS accessories and parts to it.
Here are mine, mainly all real steel, except the Eotech 552 on the M4, flashlights and foregrip on M4.\
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps09c900bb.jpg

And thanks for the input on my art...that stuff was many years ago. Havent updated my blog in a long time.

The CQB-R is exactly the same gun as the M4 RIS, except is has a 10.5" barrel instead of the 14.5".
In the case of the WE rifles, it's a 4" barrel extension that is screwed at the end.

Great purchase, you will love it.

Pro-tip: use "grenade" oil instead of regular GBB oil in your adapter. WE rifles like that a lot more (and you won't have to disassemble everything because the nozzle it jammed-out on a dry o-ring).

If i extend the barrel this thing would be at 450+ I would assume. Thats no good for anyone.... on the other team lol

I finally made a purchase that I actually put some thought into and its nice to know that I can get the RA tech parts and some real steel parts to make this thing beautiful. I would like to get some engravings on it at some point as well.

Not really, longer barrels in GBBRs don't boost FPS as much as in AEGs.

BUT

You should buy and install an NPAS. Otherwise you won't be able to play at any field.
Most of the places require GBBRs to shoot under 380. That is because using heavier BBs actually increase the muzzle energy. For example, I chorno my gun at 380 with .20s., that is 1.33 joules. When I use .28, I chrono at 365, which is 1.72 joules.
It is also because most games start in the morning, and the temperature will usually go up between 5-10°c, which in turn translates to 20fps boost.

Yeah I'll have to order that asap. I'm going to try my luck with .28's in my area on targets first . I'm curious to see how far it will shoot without losing accuracy.