Were are you fitness wise? Do you have the minimum to make it in the CF?
 

Hi!

So walking out of the office today, I runned into a CF recruting bin and got a copy of this:

http://cdn.forces.ca/_PDF2010/physical_fitness_en.pdf

Now, with this in mind and a lot of skirmish vs MilSim talk I m sure we all had, assuming a MilSim player had proper physical shape for a MilSim game (heavy load, long hard walk, quick sprint, endurance, etc), I m curious to see:

Were are you fitness wise, do you meet the basic CF Fitness Standard for your age (which I would assume would be a minimum to tackle MilSim game)?

I may as well answer first, being an active CF member, I have to meet the basic fitness requirement in order to be deploy

I meet all of these "acceptable levels", except hand grip which I have absolutely no idea what I do.

I actually printed that and I'm training to reach at least 10% better than each one of these, as I'm currently in the process of joining the reserves. I do the 2.4km run in about 11min but I'm also working on reaching no more than 10min.

My Heart hurts just reading this.

Yes, I meed the standard. It's really not that hard to meet the Army's minimum standard. Start of BMQ, i was fucked up, not remotely prepared. Fixed that for SQ.

It's very easy to get in shape to the level specified in that link

"You'll probably be doing the BFT for the fitness test more often than you will a run, also keep in mind the coopers test isn't a straight run. Practice pivoting if you've never done a coopers test.

Lets just say I'm more of an "explosive" type athlete, built for short spurts of extreme output rather than long distances.

I don't see where it's written how many pushups they want
I hate pushups
I like chin ups
climbing stuff is funny
running is awful but I could do it...but I would hate it
I can lift heavy stuff, like a baby with a dirty diaper
I could probably reload a mag with one hand while holding a baby with the other arm, while it's attacking me

according to that chart i should lose about
30lbs, but i can do the sit ups and push ups no problem, the run never timed myself,

I'll keep that in mind, thanks!

Though I assume that running will still be common during the course... like ruck marches or group PT?

Mentaly, Me and Sports/fitness in general have a love/hate relationship, with a lot of hating going on.
Physicaly, I'm not fat but I could use a lost of weight.

Cardio wise, I'm way below standard.

Cardio is huge, so make sure you're up to run about 5-6 km or at least 45 minutes of running, whatever the distance. Chances are that that'll be a third of the PT you'll do on courses. You'll be fine though Conker.

I'm fat, and I wouldn't qualify at at all, I didn't even have to look. I'm working on fixing that but then again thats why I get paid a lot to play with other peoples money all day.

So do I milsim? Hell yeah! Can I last the whole time. You bet. Do I go balls to the wall like a methed up speedballer for the whole day? No.

The trick with long games is like the gambling slogan... Know your limit, play with in it.

19 push ups don't seem bad.

Looks like I'm underweight. Although, I think I can do everything except tread water and not too sure about the hand grip thing; 75kg for each hand seems pretty high.

i gots to lose me some 30lbs lol

Thanks. So far I've run up to 15km without being exhausted... at that point when I stop, it's just because I got bored and want to do something else of my free time, LOL. 5km and under, I do around 5:20min/km, over 5km I average about 6:15min per km. It's more short distances (sprints) that I have an issue with, so for the beep test I'll definitely have to work on that.

Either way I'm not going for combat arms at all, but even then I definitely do NOT want to be "the slow one".

Been lifting weights/running consistently since I was 14 and playing a variety sports for the majority of my life so these basic tests aren't that hard. Those basic tests look easily passable if your in half decent shape. In my experience a lot of "Milsim" players could stand to lose some weight. Its no wonder a lot of them have a hard time making it through a 24 hour game pushing over 200 lbs of fat plus all the gear. These JTF2/CSOR fitness levels now these are really high standards and a good challenge from level 4-7. http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/...tnesscheck.jpg

We have to do this test twice a year:

http://www.rmc.ca/ji-ir/ppt-tap-eng.asp

Everything in that PDF is a MINIMUM. You will be expected to do MUCH more than that if you want to succeed and excel.

Basic training (BMQ and SQ), like any goal, should not just be just about completing it, it should be about doing the best you can.

You can expect a morning run at least twice a week as morning PT. More if the course officer is a runner (all mine were) and less if they are meat heads. Meat heads will give you more ruck marches, and will often waive the bus transports so you can ruck or march to the range exercises and back.

EDIT - oh yes..on course your forced marches won't be on nice flat roads like most of the BFTs are once you are at your unit. If you are on course at LFCA TC Meaford, you will learn the name WARNER HILL :D

I meet the JTF2 Lvl7 advanced standard for strength very very easely. I can even surpass it. As for cardio, I don't think so.

Even if I could I doubt I could do it as sleep fucked and beat up as you are on selection :D

Yeah, in those conditions, I guess I would just meet lvl7 and not surpass it.

Serioulsy, those weights are warm-ups for me.

Well fuck, According to that chart I'm fat. very fat.
For Strength though according to that chart, I kick ass. not so much for anything else.

Thanks @tygr701, that's even better. I'll print that.

EDIT: Even better. The complete JTF2 fitness manual: https://www.cfpsa.com/en/AboutUs/PSP...nual%20ENG.pdf

Sick! Thanks Conker I've been looking for that forever. I have the CSOR one but not the JTF2 fitness guide.

My mistake, I was thinking shuttle run for some reason. Not sure how I mixed those two up.

I do 7.9k (measured) in about 28 minutes. 20m swim and tread water are no problem. Don't know about grip, but apparently I should lose a LOT of weight though.

As an 18 year young adult, I think I am quite healthy. Since university started, I've been slacking on going to the gym, but have been picking it up the past 2 weeks. It is now my personal goal to be at level 4, and eventually level 6, and perhaps even level 7! This will probably take years to achieve because my life isn't fully dedicated to fitness, I got other things such as school and a job, but hey I'll try to make the best of it :)

i run faster when i'm being chased by zombies.

that's all that matters to me. :)

Ewwww! ...Cadpat

Across the board I sit at a level 4, not bad for a 33 yr old paper pusher. I have some of the higher qualification in other area's but not enough to complete a column.

I can complete a 10k run in around 39-42 mins on rolling hills. If the 8km run is on a track I can complete that at level 7. However, my sprint times are garbage. I couldn't finish the 2.4k in that time. fastest i've done that is 9:20ish

I made sure I could do all of these when I enlisted. Just waiting for selections

no no adult is minimum 35 nowadays, before that you're an adulescent :D

Your right!

Personal bests within the last 6 months (some could be higher, but I haven't tested myself as per CF requirements in a while for anything but running):
2.4KM run: 7 min 52 sec (last month)
Consecutive Push ups: 65 (July)
Pull ups: 32 (April) (Chinups should be about 20% higher).
Situps: 100 (April)
Handgrip: ? who knows, don't have a machine...

It took me 3 months of biking and pushups to lose 20 pounds and this pamphlet wants me to lose another 30? Holy cow.

Is there any room for tolerance? I'm not sure I can physically go below 250. My brother can attest to my weight drop and I am lean as a mofo

You can't go physically go below 250 lbs? How tall are you 7 feet? :confused:

Close enough. I'm 6'6. My wide ass shoulders and hips helped alot in rugby and football, not so much for running. I'm pretty comical to look at

i would need to lose about 35 lbs just to get out fo the danger zone
i could probably only do half of what the cf expect us to do, airsoft no problem, but this guy wont be in the military ever!

25 years old male adult - 170 cm - 76 kg (screw you imperials :p) - a few extra kg.

On the combat side I always tell my trainees it's ok to have an enormous muscle mass, I do have a decent one after all, but never, ever try to get rid of all your fat because as soon as you get out of supplies or a bit too far from your lines you'll be likely to literately run out of energy about a dozen hour after your last meal in a combat scenario. Adrenaline can't propel anyone on its own.
I put some of the teams I trained through an intense food less training over three days, got half of the team, the gym nuts, failing said test.
Usually after that they got their lesson.

Yep I'd meet the requirements even with my Louis Cyr-esque physique. I'm not in any way an elegant runner (and I hate it with all my heart) but I'm not in bad shape thanks to powerlifting since I was 16.

I'm like a box of Lactantia unsalted butter (until I start sprinting and I sweat)... AKA I'm waaay overweight, thanks to having lived all my life (until 3 years ago) in a country full of shitty food regulations, and with nobody telling me what was truly healthy or not.

Looking at those CF charts gave me a slap on the nuts... Gotta hit the gym. I won't be joining our troops anytime soon, but still, I gotta be able to look good and have SOME physical performance.

Any tips?

41 years old - 220 pounds butt naked.

drinking tequila like a hole - smoking like a smoke stake

pulling heavy weight suits and withstanding high heat for hours.

need no sleep - and can last a few days without food.

can walk all day - but dont make me run - I hate it.

Ugly like the devil - but indestructible

thank you.

Looks like I pass everything.
My only problem is cold weather running. If the temp goes below zero I start wheezing.
I can run 15km straight in fair weather but maybe 1km and Im feeling it in the cold.
I had bad asthma as a kid so that is probably part of it.
Im 33 now and have a family so it isnt something I would want to pursue now anyways..good to know though!

fitness level: christmas

Just found this thread! Proving very informative so far. At the low end of the BMI scale (6ft 155lbs) so I just need to build more muscle and eat healthier (damn bachelor lifestyle!).

A bit...I find it screws with my breathing as well. Hard to explain. I feel like I am not fully catching my breath. I'm sure if I absolutely had to I could get through it though.

Don't concern yourself with BMI unless your not an active person. According to BMI I'm obese lol I' m 200 pounds and lean so obviously it does not apply to people who train or are athletic and such.

The CF fitness standards are pretty low and ( in the Reserves ) if you dont meet the minimum standards they still accept you and you have to obtain the standard by the end of BMQ

I think I'd meet it all minus the run :P I've been working out daily for 1-2 hours a day for the last 4-5 years. I'm 20 y/o male, 5 foot 10, 180lbs. I work almost exclusively on strength training because I hate running. That being said I run stairs with a weighted training vest 2-3 times a week for 30 mins.

does anyone find it unfair that women have a significantly easier test in the RMC? In the battlefield, I'm sure a c7 or a rucksack or extra ammo that needs to be in a certain spot, won't care if you are male or female. If I were to be in the military (I would pass the physical test fairly easily btw), I would really want the soldier next to me to be able to do at least what I can do. Is that unrealistic of me to expect that?

I applied for the CF to be posted in CGG or RMR and i passed all the test but the medical due to my eye perscription. Ill be getting surgery for them but not until they stabalize which is prolly going to be around my 20s. Once its done im forsure reapplying or ima call to see if my file is still active.

I meet the standards. But I should be able to do more. Anyway if you're joining the CF you should strive to be above those standards. Example: If they ask you for 30 push ups, you better be able to do 50.

Not sure about RMC but although the women had an easier entry test during BMQ , SQ , ect they had to do the same amount of running , push ups , sit ups , ect as the men did. So in the end it did nt matter.

And yes you should definitely strive to be above standards. I remember the first time we were told we had to do 10 push ups. I thought it was going to be easy except the instructor who was setting the pace did each push up extremely slow. Was incredibly hard :)

I rejoined the CF at 42 and had no probs with the physical side. Did all the different tests but like it was already said, trust your training and don't forget to DO IT. The new pt test is quite easy with next to no running. There is more lifting in it but its only sandbags. lol (I can lift them easily with one hand - repeatedly) Not sure if this new universal test is going to be used as an entry test but I'm sure that basic training has a lot more physical "fun" in store for you. Generally speaking everyone should be doing regular physical activity, we CF members are lucky that we have training as part of our job.

The physical fitness standards of the CF need to be raised IMO. As a serving member, the fitness standard are a joke. If you're in a job that requires you to be physically fit all the time, the standards should be much higher.

Somebody who is half decent shape and hits the gym 3-5 times a week or does some sort of "real" physical activity would have no trouble meeting the standard.

Condireing I get heatstroke very fast above the 25°C Line I probably wouldn't be deemed fit for duty even though I pass everything below that temperature
But on the weight thing I always say to not try being Rambo or Terminator : when you didn't get anything to eat for some time you'll be glad to have some fuel stored in you.

The highest I got on EXPRES test was
10.5
push up: 52
sit up:57

I believe I qualify in every entry level standard. However, I don't think I'd be able to actually get into the CF 'cause of flat-feet. I remember hearing something about that being a valid excuse to dodge the draft in past wars. Am I correct about this?

Very interesting subject : PT for MilSim. In France, doing PT to prepare MilSim events is considered as a "para-military" activity by the vast majority of non-MilSim Airsoft player. But it's still legal. ;)

Out of that whole program the only activities that concern me are the 6km run, and the swimming portion. I absolutely hate going underwater, definitely a minor phobia of mine.

No worries here really, I do smoke so long distance running isnt exactly my thing; but for 2.4km isnt to far. Defiantly winded after that, but other than that I would fly through the rest. When playing 18+ games I tend to not rest other then for food and reloads....never sleep or take extended breaks. This is actually one of the things that bugs me about this long milsims. People that either can just not physically endure it bail early. People slowly start packing 8 hours in. Drives me nuts, you sign up for 18 hours. Your team expects you to play for 18 hours.....rant over.

With the current physical state of the forces. Pretty much anyone can pass the old test. I've yet to try the new one but I'm sure if you fail it. They will have some other way to let you pass.

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I can pass the CF test easily. I'm working on the JTF2 standards now just to get myself in peak condition.

I was using the JTF2 entry standards as a goal for my work outs in much the same way....I was above the standard in everything except the run. The timings for that run are ridiculous! LOL! I made the timings twice (and damn close 90% of the time) and it almost killed me...mind you I was running on very hilly terrain AND I was pushing maybe 190lbs at the time.

Its funny, a lot of people think that SOF guys are going to be massive beasts! But its quite the contrary....I know a few guys from the old days who are in or were in and all of them lost weight and looked more akin to a triathlete or super in shape life guard.

Basically you need to be a track star
:cool:
Edit: as for the basic CF standards, Im not current, but I did happen to catch that "reality" show the CF put together a while back and to put it mildly, I was a bit sad at the level of fitness, or lack there of. And PAT platoon? ....really? I mean some dudes got stuck in there because of injury but there were some sorry ass cases as well. Does it not state that you need to be of a certain fitness level when you join and require you to sign off that that is indeed the case? LIARS! LOL!

That’s actually not the worst thing I've seen. At least it incorporate somewhat of a realistic set of exercises to what you might encounter in the field.

I did cringe a bit at the way those two were picking up 20kg sandbags on the shuttle run....Ouch...there goes the back!

I recently did the FORCE test and I did not really find it all that hard. I was well ahead of the minimum requirements which was awesome to see. I'm glad the exercises they test you in are more akin to what you'll actually experience rather than just random exercises.


...now that fucking aptitude test on the other hand. I got wrecked on the math, back to the math books again...

I passed my aptitude test with flying colors when I was in selection. All I needed before hand was a refresher on long division. Everything else was easy enough. Mostly common sense questions with some problem solving mixed in.

I was pretty cheesed about having my application suspended for an arbitrary medical reason considering how fit I am. I scored high enough on aptitude for officer training (was going for infantry) and my medical exam was flawless, until I told them in honesty after being asked about past ailments "I just got over this yeast infection..".

The beaurocratic bullshit I went through just trying to get my application accepted to be turned down, for basically no reason other than having what I equate to athletes foot inside my asshole that gave me the shits in a bad way, and then to see some soft as fuck dudes going through selection without issue was pretty disheartening. I even spent $500 on medical reports to provide to them as evidence from three different doctors to show I was 100% and in very optimal health. I also had references on my application that vouched openly toward my fitness level and this was discussed with me in my interview as being something that stood out for the role I was trying to be recruited for. Apparently that doesn't mean shit to whomever reviewed my file in Ottawa and sent me that letter.

Application wasnt turned down outright, but was told on CF letterhead to wait one year and then request to have my application reconsidered with a medical exam, all because I had a yeast infection I had already recovered from, all this after 10 long months of tedious testing and two separate interviews, both of which went extremely well. "Precautions" my ass. Since then I have had a bitter taste in my mouth about the experience, so I haven't resumed my application. I might resume/reapply in the future, but given that it seems not much has changed in the way they are doing things, I don't think I will.

My dad had told me many times over the many years he spent in the service that I'd be shocked to see some of the plugs that make it into combat units and told me horror stories of the beaurocracy he had to deal with. I guess this hasn't changed much..

Edit: Please note that some of the above is speculation and opinion. CF guys; please don't get your cocks in a knot.