Best Pistol and WHY.
 

This weekend I played at our field and for the first time I could see where the pistol would totally come in handy. (93Tsi nice work in the woods). I would have dropped my M4 and run it if I could have. It seemed like for this game any AEG suddely became the boat anchor.

So, here is my question:

What is the best pistol for:
(Not in this order)

1) Least Screwing around. I have ZERO time for bullshit on the pistol. Between keeping up with AEG and building the field. I DONT want to get into a gun where it is the "Starting point" I need it to be the "end"
2) Half decent FPS. Our field is max 450 and guys are catching on its needed.
3) Reliability
4) Accuracy

Please keep this to point form and why.

I recently bought KJW Full metal 1911 MEU. I went to Dark Ops and thats all I used.. Amazing accuracy, Reliability is good(Minus the fact my front sight fucked off cause of my holster lol) and my fps on it was 350? Around there. I'm very proud of my Barbra for surviving for about 38 hours. Haven't taken it a part yet. But from what Ive seen. It looks like a bitch to do.

Personally I'd say the KWA M9 PTP

1) Solidly built
2) Shoots hardish for a gas gun (350 at room temperature, harder on a hot day)
3) Option of 25, 32, and 50 round magazines
4) Excellent gas efficiency (2+ full magazines on one gas fill)
5) Excellent hopup and range for a pistol (I'm a fan of the 'ball bearing' hopup)
6) Reliable, put probably a few thousand rounds through mine, very little wear, no broken parts, minimal maintenance.
7) Lots of holster options specific to the m9 (Serpa's for instance)
8) Nice crisp recoil

Just my two cents. Tho if you're looking for small and lightweight, the ATP has almost all the same pluses, tho I personally don't think it shoots as hard, or quite as accurately.

Thanks you guys, very nice so far but forgot one more question. Do the pistols also have more accuracy on the .28 G or the .20G. In other words does it behave the same way as the AEG in the outdoor.

Thanks

Work it backwards.

First you need to be able to get spare parts and magazines.

Then you need to find a real holster that fits it, not a soft universal holster.

Then it needs to run in all weather.

Then it needs to have a rail if you want a tac light, or a ring if you want a lanyard and so on.

Last it has to fit you hand and shooting style.

It usually works out as something in the TM lineup works best on all counts. the KWA/KSC stuff is definately nice but at times the overall performance seems to come second to cosmetic appeal.

Now that said I have a rack of pistols. My regular go to pistol was based on a TM 226 that ILLusion built into a full metal beauty. My I feel like a change pistol is a KSC G19. My others that come out when the mood strikes are a KSC USP compact, TK USP tactical, Tanaka USP, SOCOM Gear Oasis Gemtech, WE Wilson 1911, MGC P7M13, Marushin Five seveN, and I sure hope I didn't miss anybody.

My winter project is going to be a TM G7 with a to be determined slide and some tweaking.

For BBs I've found my best fit to be .28. That of course will vary by the particular pistol.

Stock Tokyo Marui Hicapa 5.1

Personally I've never been particularly impressed with TM for the price, and I've had WE and KJW tm clones, and never been all that thrilled with them either.

I'll take KWA any day of the week for a pistol, but that's entirely my subjective opinion, others mileage will vary :-)

Oh, and basically all pistols work best with heavier bb's, assuming the hopup can handle the heavier weights. I use .28's or .3's in all my pistols.

Pretty much anything KWA... good mags, full metal, higher FPS than typical pistols, and they make enough kinds of guns that you'll be able to find holsters for them.

Get the new magazines. The old ones will aggravate you to no extent. Be aware that Part 327 (Gas Block) may break, replacements are available though.

This is awesome!!!!


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I win forever....

My vote goes for the Stock TM 5.1 & glock 17. Hard to say which is better. I prefer the glock. (personal prefrence, not a fan of 2011's)

I love pretty much any glock. My main reason for this being they have an internal hammer that is harder to get dirt into. I have 8 pistols but love the glocks for simplicity.

WE PX4, cheap, metal slide (not plastic like TM) and aslong as your purchase TM mags to replace to WE one, perfection for under $100

tm px4 storm. kicks as much as my old hi-capa and is stupid easy to clean.

i also find it feels much sturdier than the WE px4 ( less plastic-y more solid)

I got a KWA USP Tactical and KWA MK23 Soccom both kick ass, had a minor failure on my mk23 last sunday.... slide lock spring wasn't working properly. I decided to strip it while on the move but the spring popped out and I was never able to recover it. I won't try something like that again..lol
Fixed it with a spring from a BIC retractable pen though, had to straighten it and bend to proper shape and size. :)

Both shoot at 380, USP fits smaller hands better and is easier to find a holster for. MK23 is very big, very accurate but hard to find a good holster and accessories.

ANY higher quality brand, Tm, WA, KSC, etc. properly maintained that works for your hands is the "best"

Biggest issue is just finding one that fits you.

+1 since i bought my m9 all my other pistols now stay at home for some reason???

My TM FN 5-7 has never failed me.

I have one of these, and you don't even need to use the TM mags, the HK (that's the brand NOT WE) mags work perfectly for about 90 shots (yeah, 90 shots, that's almost 4 mags). FPS is about 280, and you know what? I get pretty much every body shot at (measured) 170ft. (a hundred and seventy, which is already a good distance for field AEG's), and even a bit more, and that was on .25's, you can probably do even better with heavier ammo. Ultra reliable gun, with awesome hop up. Very easy to disassemble if it comes to that. Costs half what the TM costs, and comes with a metal slide. Gun looks, feels, and recoils great. Excellent compact size.

I've seen them in Canada too, so the gun and spare mags should be easy to come by.


Fox.

My vote definitely goes to the WE PX4. Sold my KJW 1911 MEU for it and don't regret it at all. Great accuracy out of the box and works very well even under cold weather. Mine was working at around 5 degrees when I first got it. Mags will usually last you about 2-4 loads before the gas runs out. It's also very easy to disassemble and clean.


Or if you're looking for something different you could try the TM MK23 Non-blowback. I've heard nothing but good things about its performance, though I don't own one.

my vote goes for the kwa USP series. I've only had one issue with my match which was resolved with only a pair of pliers. And when I run it I run it hard. I've even used it as my primary for a whole day and it never went down on me once.

Wondering where you're finding a WE PX4 for under $100....

I only have personal experience with a KWA M93R II and a TM HiCapa, and got to talk with owner of, and try some, KJW, WE.

KWA has incredible gas efficiency, probably the best out there, with little cool down effect; 3 x 38 rounds Mags on full auto and it still had some gas remaining for a few more shots.

The nozzle (aka cylinder) is prone to break unless you maintain it, lube/clean really often. The return springs are a bit finicky too. Not too sure about the other series of KWA like the M9 PTP (I'd say they seem to be much more reliable, as the M93 has its share of issues if you look at KWA's forum)

Slides are metal, although light (a pro and a con, depending on what you prefer), polymer outer barel to reduce wear on the slide, which is fine. Gun is well balanced.

TM Hicapa seems to be much more reliable when it comes to the BBU, recoil spring/spring guide. There's Millions of parts available literally everywhere, which is a great plus.

Weight is not as well balanced as KWA's with no mag; inserting the mag mostly fix this.
Stock slide is plastic, but of great quality and can last for a good while. Aftermarket slides are heavier and sturdier.

Gun is much more accurate than my M93, especially when upgraded with a TK Twist Barrel :D Good choice of sights and optics, the 4.3 has a rail. Trigger mechanism is much simpler and (I think) less prone to issues because of that.

Also, the Hicapa's frames is metal, unlike most if not all of their other models.

Having quickly handled a KJW (don't remember the model), I was not that impressed, but not disappointed either. Seems like a good gun, but I don't have much to say as I haven't looked at the internals.

WE, there are quite a bunch of horror stories out there, (they're full metal but apparently the frame is prone to cracking), despite the good comments on the PX4 on this thread. Note it's the first time I read comments that good about WE, but also the first time I read comments about the PX4 specifically. They're a lot cheaper than most other brands as well.

Hope this help a bit

My ILLusion built HiCapa is amazing, I owned 5 pistols before it and it's like comparing a Corvette to a Lada. So best pistol- TM HiCapa 5.1 upgraded by ILLusion, and why- Illusion really knows his shit.

This is all great stuff. Thanks guys. Plenty to go on here.

As a side note, is there a holster that locks the gun in somehow? The common thing I hear after our games is:

"dude, I lost my gun" or

"dude, I lost my pistol mag"

That said, I could probably walk around our field and just search for a gun...lol

1. stock TM hicapa 5.1
2. tanio koba grip (so it fits 1911 serpas)
3. BHI lvl 2 serpa holster or clone (huang)

with this combination i have a pistol that has never let me down once in 3 years, shoots straight and hard, and has never been lost nor dropped a mag. the serpa does a wonderful job of retention and ensures you won't accidentally hit the mag release, a common problem with "soft" holsters such as the condor universal dropleg.

http://www.tacticalsupply.com/cart/i...430503CT-R.jpg

despite some controversy over serpa holsters in the real world, they work absolutely great for airsoft.

Horto: Do you know/think a 4.3 with a Limcat slide with compensator (overall 6" I think) would work with a Serpa?

I'm going to say TM 1911/HiCapa. I've owned three so far and they've been really solid.

I just picked up a KWC PT99. Full metal with nice weight. About 380fps on CO2 With 0.20 bbs. I find 0.28 bbs work very well. Plus it has the full auto option for those times when one bb just wont do. And for under 200 you cant go wrong.

I have been converted from a 1911 guy. I will run this one from now on.

best bang for the buck is still a KSC/KWA as for reliability and ready made/crapload of parts it will have to be TM

for a bombproof reliability consult with Brian (Illusion) it's high priced item but his quality of work and quality of parts that he have is completely top notch

Based off my experience.... and i've had a lot of pistol experience...

I'd recommend a TM gun, and specifically the G17. There's no external hammer assembly so it's less likely to get dirt in there and jam the internals. Front sight and rear sight are screwed into the slide, add a bit of loctite and you'll never lose the sights on the field from holstering/drawing your gun.

As for losing the gun: Get a pistol lanyard so you won't lose the gun. There's even a hole in the grip on the TM G17 for you to use, unlike the Hi-Capa

As for losing the mag: Stick a small piece of velcro on the inside of your grip so the mag doesn't just fall out. You'll have to pull the mag our for a mag change but at least you'll never lose it. There's even a handy little notch on the front of the grip to help you pull the mag out.



When playing outdoors I carry a MK23 Socom springer, with a pistol lanyard and velcro in the grip. Have never lost the gun or the mag ever. And the springer is more reliable than a GBB cause I don't have to worry about gas leaking out of the mag and having a dead gun on me.

What would you say to a
KSC G18C
High flow valves
Fibre optic sights
upgraded recoil springs
hogue grips
metal slide
hi-cap mag
all done up by MADMAX?

Funny, I thought in my last comment I had said the gun's brand isn't WE, but HK, or HK3P; yet people keep referring to it as a WE.


Fox.

WE and HK3P come out of the same factory, different branding but the same gun. One company gets away with copyright infringement and the other company completely re-brands the gun. So essentially.... HK3P guns are WE guns.

SERPAS! They're $35-50 for clone ones at Airsoft Depot. I've had one for my m9 for like 2 years, still going strong.

Pair it with a G-Code RTI Wheel and the appropriate serpa, and you can swap out pistols in seconds, becuase once you have the pistol you want, you know your gonna end up buying more later on :-)

He had to do a LOT of things he wasn't proud of...

Exactly, here's a good source of info (well, how good and accurate this info is I'm not sure but seems legit actually): http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2056654925

recently got a used KWA M9 PTP.

its all metal, heavy as hell (in a good way), is a nice big gun for big hands, and has a powerful blowback action when it fires.

easily gets 26rds per fill, probably more

KWA USP 45 tactical...shoots hard and straight as an arrow. Kicks like a mule too. Quite heavy tho.

TM 4.3 stock with plastic slide.

You want accuracy first not FPS.

It'll shoot anywhere any time in any condition. I had frost on the slide because it was so cold out and shot flawlessly on propane.

KWA MK23 Socom, nice build quality, high kick and excellent accuracy~!

KSC Sig 226R I love this gun.

Originally I had a Hi-Cappa and loved it. But I wanted something 'real'. So I got the Sig. And let me tell you this thing was in mud, completely covered in mud. It was caked and worked flawlessly. Pro tip do what Ozone has said go for reliability and ease of getting the mags/parts. I have since cleaned and relubed the gun and no problems! Yes TM Hi-Cappa is an excellent option. And many other great options are out there.

My advice is find a guy who owns the gun you want. Try it out fire a few shots etc. Ask the person about the gun the details, maintenance required etc. Pistols are as personal as rifles. I like the ergonomics of my old hi-cappa. I love the ergonomics of my Sig.

+1!

If you only have budget for just one pistol as a start, go for a TM High Capa 5.1 or 4.3. Stock gun is good enough, accurate, good range, little cool down problem, can take green gas, high magazine capacity.

You can try other brands after your start but TM should be the choice of your first airsoft pistol.

A 4.3 frame will not fit in a 1911/2011 holster because of the blocky shape on the end.

So aside from a select few of people commenting on the various guns they've owned and can atest to the one they prefer the most, this thread has been all about ...... "this is the gun I own and I Love it" thread. People that have only oiled the barrel and pulled there slide on only a few and very few guns. Look, there is allot out there to choose from. Read, read and do some more reading.

It's really disconcerting when someone asks what the best hand gun out there is. Because it's like asking someone who was the best "insert anything in here" out there. It's about as subjective as naming your favourite music or anime character.

Just get what you're comfortable with and what you can afford. Or just get what you visibly like. Once you buy a pistol and you don't like it, come back on here and sell it. Than buy another one and try that one. Or just go to your local airsoft store and try them out there. You're really only going to know once you've tried it. Cause nobody knows you like you. I can't tell you what you're going to like.

As far as company ....... nothing ever bad gets said about TM.

Cheers,
FACE

^very true.

kwa seems to have some very nice guns with mostly/all-metal parts and the training pistols are designed just like the real guns. I dont have much experience with other brands, but for me, a heavyduty metal frame and solid blowback are the most attractive features.

hey guys, quick question
would you go for an kwa 1911 mark II or a Tm hi capa 4.3?

4.3 any day of the week

Kjw m9 vertec if you can find one
I swapped the recoil and hammer spring (tho its not needed)
I drag it through mud swap sand and all sorts of assorted crap and it still shoots hard n far and accurate 4 years or more ive had it

No experience with KWA.

Two teammates had KJW 1911: both sold them and got TM G17 and TM 1911 mk IV respectively. Excellent comments on both.

The new M9A1 looks and feels really nice, can't comment yet on reliability though...

From experience, WE 1911 MEU seems to have brittle metal for the slide.

I had 5 TM 1911/hicapa variants: great performances, no issues. Played a little bit with cheap metal kits. Lessons learned: (1) get a good metal kit or (2) upgrade patience level because fitting is not always trivial or (3) stick with the TM slide and frame.

So, I would go with the TM 4.3 and if you ever decide to swap hammer, let me know! I need one for my latest custom 1911 :)

It fits the clone hicapa holster Huang sells, there is no molding for the guide rod cover, it's just a square hole.
It fitted a WE Dragon 7.1, so yeah, a 4.3 with a comp is no issue.

Do you happen to have a link to that holster? Got something similar to this (http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/17713) but with the original 4.3 frame

+1 I love my KWA M9 PTP.
I also have the Black hawk drop leg holster that horto put a pic up of on the second page of this thread. I had to cut a small piece of the holster out as it was hitting the mag release. found that out the hard way.
also the extended mags seem to shoot A LOT harder than the regular 25 rounder. I can't confirm with a chrono but I'd say the 25 round mag shoots ~350 while the 50 rounder shoots closer to 390

Here:

http://airsoftdepot.ca/catalog/produ...roducts_id=535

Thanks!

Well I went with Tm hi capa. Thx guys!

My vouch goes to my TM G18c and KWA P226.

TM is one year old, and if you're looking for accuracy it's a laser beam. Crisp shooting. Only BS problem I've had is it can't handle high pressure gasses like propelene. Not that it damages the pistol, it's the RWC model, but on a warm day with a full tank the hammer isn't strong enough to release any gas. That was a bit of a piss off as I had heard TM was designing their newer pistols to handle green gas +. It fires better near freezing temperatures, no joke.

The P226 won't die. I've had it since 2007, thousands of rounds through it. Mags have never leaked, even after leaving them dry for months. Nothing has ever broken, and it's taken a severe beating over its lifetime. Only complaint is accuracy. It's good, but don't expect to hit anything over 40ft away.
I even picked up another one last month, I love it so much. Fits serpa's like a glove, rock solid pistol.