CADPAT-TW Uniform
 

I've got some questions about where to get the best CADPAT uniforms. I came across 2 websites, cpgear and flecktarn.co.uk. Questions:

1. Which is better? They are relatively similarly priced, what are the differences?

2. Do they use genuine CADPAT material? (without IR of course) Do they make the uniforms themselves? Or do they buy them from Frontenac for example?
(I noticed the cpgear uniforms are darker than flecktarn.co.uk)

I emailed both and they told me that they have no material at the moment so size selection is limited. They will however be restocked sometime in the late summer/fall.

From Flecktarn.co.uk CP gear is not issued, but it is damn good gear from all of the accounts I've heard.

Don't bother buying te issued shit. I'm gonna be selling off a kiss cadpat vest soon if your interested hit me up.

The repro clothes from cp are pretty good. I think the flack tarn is surplus issued.

Hmm. Good to know. I'm not planning on getting anything issue, just looking for the real Cadpat material so that all the colours are correct. I already have a CF style Cadpat vest so all I need is a uniform.

Flecktarn's CADPAT is knock-off BDU's. They are made using the actual CADPAT pattern (manufactured by Frontenac) but are in the general "BDU" configuration rather than the Canadian design. CP Gear is a good source too, however they are offering the exact same uniform (also manufactured by Frontenac). There is also no difference in the weight of the Frontenac uniform and the issued uniform, the difference is the lack of IRR material in the civilian version.

If you have any Polish gear, I still have a few pieces in my collection I am willing to let go of (assuming they'll fit).

Hope this helps some!

Good to know. Were moving to "bdu"style cadpat anyway. So all be te same soon!

What Skeletor said.

To be a little more detailed, "BDU" is the US cut from the 80's-90' (there were a couple variants in that timeframe, but not much), while the one the CF is moving to is the new "ACU" cut with mandarin collar, arm pockets and velcro, etc...

ACU (Army Combat Uniform) being the uniform cut, and NOT the camo (which is UCP; Universal Camo Pattern).

Too be precise if were going to. Were going with "ICU"
Since this country can't just go mainstream and we must make everything unique. and there for usually twice the cost and the same or less quality :)

But if your looking to replicate the new soldier. Your also going to want brown boots, not black!
http://soldiersystems.net/2011/07/08...ombat-uniform/
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-c...011/07/ICU.jpg

http://soldiersystems.net/2011/05/25...s-brown-boots/
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-c...ombat-Boot.jpg

LOL "Intensive Care Unit"....and using UGLY boots.

Sorry, the soldier in me still prefers the ol' Mk3 combat boots. I can't say as though I'm a fan of the Mandarin collar, but if it's something that works (and works well) then all the power to 'em. Besides, I got out in 2007.....I don't have to wear that stuff LOL. I'm happy with my OD's!

Sending you a PM about some stuff I stock Cbielak.

Well from what I've seen and heard. All of the CF using purchased boots will be SOL.
Without a chit you will be required to wear Brown... So untill SWAT etc. get on board with a brown boot and a brown safety boot for those who require safety. Your SOL

Not to mention it seems they will be the same build as the desert boots. So.. Yay.

As for the uniform. I'm reading (although hard to tell) that it will be a velcro open.. Not zipper or buttons.....

As for the Flag. It seems they watched Stargate Atlantis and liked the one Rodney wore.. lol

EDIT:
Here's what he wore. lol
http://images.wikia.com/stargate/ima...withrodney.jpg

Skeletor is that powerpoint available for general viewing? The one I saw was about the uniform itself and implementation through attrition of the current uniform. As I understand it production is currently underway or is starting up very shortly with uniforms going first to deploying and infantry units.

Velcro isn't exactly "tactical" at night, you could hear someone opening a pocket from a mile away.....the current buttons work perfectly to combat that.

But this is quickly turning into a conversation far away from the original question.

Already thought about that...

Tactical Velcro Opening Secret-Special Forces - YouTube

As it stands now. The current uniform has either been stopped or really slowed down for production. If you try to trade in a pair of worn current issue pants. They will have most sizes out of stock.

And as for the brown boots. Hopefully manufacturers catch on. Can't find a decent safety version yet :(

That's why you don't put the important shit you would need to access quietly during a night op in your arm pockets.

http://armyissue.com/catalog/images/IMG_5514.JPG

Sexy Boots, These are supposed to be the latest stuff for A-Stan on Canadian Stores Shelves


Tactcool Velcro is of great concern it may give away your position as your Bison throws a 3km Rooster tail in the desert. Or right after the Section fires its first 1000rd volley.
The new uniform is designed for the army, not Ninjas.
The benifits of the velcro out weigh the Ninja button system.
Dude I sell Pants, if your Op requires uber Stealthy then Solid metal Gear Snake shit go fkn buy it at the Ninja store, this is an Army Uniform.

Those are the right boots, they come dark brown and yet after a month of wearing them in the desert they turn out much brighter.

That ECU top looks like quite an improvement on the ICU unveiled a while back, I'm actually excited for these new uniforms.

In all honesty they should just adopt the DZ Tactical Ops set, pant and shirt. It seems to do just about everything right.

Link for posterity: http://www.dropzonetactical.com/clot...et/ops-set.php

I. Hate. Velcro.

Seems like regular mortals can't buy it.. not listed on their online store.

One of my Tp Sgt's couldn't get his old combats exchanged at Base Clothing because they didn't have his size. Apparently they will or have already stopped production of the current-style combats. Anybody have any similar experiences.

Yep, have been out of stock here in Kingston for my pants for over a year - my combats are starting to get a little "salty" for my tastes.

Going to Petawawa end of month, will try @ their clothing stores to exchange two of my three sets. They should have better stock.

At CANSEC saw a shit tonne of guys in the brown boots but didn't notice their uniforms. Also saw a CJIRU guy in the new urban disruptive deal.

Well airforce will get the new shit last. And we can't get the old shit anymore.

Gonna be a raggedy ass military by 2013. Lol

They'll always say "Air Force will get last", but it's been my experience that they somehow get all the Gucci stuff early. Hell, when we were first being issued CADPAT (when I was in) we were one of the last Regiments to get it AND IT WAS MADE IN WINNIPEG!!

Then again, I griped because I had just been issued brand new OD pants three weeks before and had just got them broken in LOL.

I do believe the airforce designed the new cadpat uniform. So it was ours first :P

SOL unless you come in size big fucker or small child.

Rain gear was the same story - while we were wearing good ole tarps to the field, the airforce guys would strut around in brand new cadpat rain suit, showing off its effectiveness inside the building. The chain of events will probably repeat itself with new combats: air force - army - airsofters/paintballers - reserves.

DZ discontinued all CADPAT gear because they were having difficulty getting fabric, probably was costing them more than it was making. Just in case anyone was still wondering about that, lol. It's a shame, I really wanted those pants.

Blame your chain not our's. We wore OUR rain gear around. not our fault you guy's didn't order any :P

I still got a set issued here in Wainwright but my size is more little child than reg size. You guys are lucky with your cadpat rain gear, I still got my green garbage bag/ tarp poncho. Also, those boots are starting to get issued. I know a couple of people that already got them. Ugly ugly boots if you ask me.

If it makes ya feel any better. Airforce in Winnipeg were told no supply when we go in with torn pants etc.

Omg. Temperate TW! Bout damn time

What? lol

We've been waiting for this. The CF has been in desperate need of Temperate Woodland for decades!!

If you read the article. You'd know.

Cf tw is a heavy weight fabric

Arid is a light weight fabric.
It can hit close to 40 in some areas which are green. So a heavy weight TW uniform blows. Even in the summer anywhere in Canada it way to frigin heavy.

Hopefully you can role your sleeves up on the new shirt. Lil

YAY now when Am I getting mine ... Ah yes let's say about 6-7 Years from the start of the delivery to CF unit hahaha

Not sure if you ever wore the AR? but it is definetly a lighter weight. Part of why it does not last as long.

As for the sleeves. Plenty role sleeves up when not in a field situation. A canforgen came down stating it's up to the individual members to choose. However the AR in KAF went from up to down to up to down depending on the CoC because of the big vecro pockets on the arms, was one reason I has heard.

Lol I'd say Skeletor had a chance to try out AR once or twice ;) And maybe it varies from set to set, as my arids are for the most part the same, two pairs of pants seem actually a bit thicker than my greens.

I got issued a fresh set of the current issue combats about 3 months ago and the fabric felt like they upped the cotton content as they were definitely heavier than my previous set which faded and became see-through in the high wear areas.

All raids I have are definetly a lighter weight.
However this could vary as they switch fabrics weekly it seems. It's hard to find two shirts that are the same in measurement let alone fabric.

Either way. I wish we could wear arid in the summer in canada. But a lighter weight green would be nice as well

It have more fabric on each piece of combats I think

That's what I said.

Im just saying, but Canada doesnt wear brown combat boots with their woodland CADPAT. They wear black boots, trust me i know i see them all the time. Plus do not get issue as it fads after about 10 months. Wait until CADPAT Urban comes out as that will be cool.

yeah...don't get your hands on the issue stuff...buy the good parklands stuff that lasts forever and doesn't fade ;)

I just hope our troops get what they need, no matter what that may be.

NEGATIVE.

The new brown boots are already being issued, hell our Padre already has a set. The black Mark IV's will continue to be issued until stocks are depleted.

Don't start talking out of your backside before even having set foot inside the Mega.

I'm just going to jump in for a friendly intervention here. There are people on this board that really do know what they're talking about, including myself and most get pretty irritated at posts like that one.

The new brown boots are already being phased in and while you definitely have seen CF mbrs wearing black boots, that won't be the case for long.
As for CADPAT urban, I'm guessing you're talking about CUEPAT which was always intended for CANSOFCOM and has already started to appear.


EDIT: Oh Puggs, too late :)

New boots; our OPS O was the first to get them in the Unit;

http://i.imgur.com/1sy8q.jpg

They are apparently pretty comfy and correct many of the problems inherent in the Mk IV / GP design such as a bigger toebox and undated lay to reflect actual foot sizing vs vintage WWII sizing. The only problem I can see right off the bat and I've confirmed with those wearing them is that the cordura upper does not have enough material and it's impossible to lace these boots up properly tight; everyone looks like they have FANKLES wearing these... My new Danners on the other hand, lace up proper;

http://i.imgur.com/wCmpR.jpg

Lol. Pull info from ass much?

I wonder if the new safety brown boots will be any good.
I friging wish they'd buy into composite instead of steel. No way to make 12lb boots comfy.

Edit
Cue pat? Cool. Want it!

Lol, come on guys.... but he knows what he's talking about, he sees the actual army men all the time.

Proof positive that officers get issued the new stuff before the troops :P

I get that the CF is transitioning to these, but from a personal standpoint I just don't like 'em. Brown (at least when I was in) was meant for deployment in warm/desert environments, and for getting out of polishing your regular boots before base commanders banished them as on-base wear....two weeks after I got mine :P Oh well, I still had enough fun irritating some instructors going through IST by attending with my LBV. "It has to be an issued item!" they said; "It is an issued item." I replied LOL!

As for logitechboys09, be aware that there are a number of former and current serving members of the CF on these boards. If you know something and can provide proof, by all means post away. But these folk can also be good resources if you're looking for any information too. Anyway, that wasn't meant to sound like I'm flaming you, and I hope you don't take it that way.

The way it works is if you go into Clothing Stores to get new boots, they will see if they have the black Mk IV's in your size. If they do, you get the black Cadillacs. If not, then you're getting the browns.

Let's not let this degenerate into a NCM vs Officers thing as I've seen both wearing the new boots.

Pugs, I just remember how it seemed to work when I was in, not necessarily how it actually worked. I've been out for several years now, since before the MkIV came into service (and I didn't like them either LOL). I'm not that old and yet I'm already fuddy enough and set in my ways :P

You're right though, there is no reason to make this an NCM vs Officer debate.

the brown boots had already been issued since May this year. I saw a bunch of OCdts at RMC who got those before I got posted. As far as I know, Kingston is the only base that actually issued brown boots. I am working in clothing stores right now and we are not even issuing those out. We only have a couple from the boot trials that the Sgt managed to keep but we have to return those to Ottawa after Bold Eagle.

if you go on ebay at the right time, they have good cadpat sometimes

What time is the "right" time?

Every day I guess:)

Boots
 

I guess the new Brown boots are still unavailable for non forces types?

Just buy any other boot in that ugly brown colour; same net effect; something tells me a lot of places in Canada are going to start keeping that colour in stock in the forseeable future...

I'll be honest. I'll wear my converse for as long as I can. Than suck it up and buy a brown version. Haha. I doubt the cf browns will ever even meet my feet

Alrighty, let's bring this thread back from the dead.
I contacted Flecktarn.co.uk, they said there is a delay at the factory and that it should be a solid 3 months before they get any Cadpat-TW uniforms in stock.
I already purchased a cheapo Chinese "Cadpat" uniform in the meantime which was a huge mistake (the colours were hilarious), this time I'm waiting for Frontenacs.

To be honest there not to bad looking of a boot and there really comfortable. One of my buddys got 2 pairs off a guy based in Brandon, he shipped them back just incase he would get in trouble. He loved them, I believe I had seen them on the army issue website but I'm not for certain.