Ghilli Suit, Stalker, Tracker or Poncho
 

Good Day gents.
How are things going, i am a new registered user on this forum and having som questions.
Why here??
Most of the people here are playing Airsoft way longer than me and know more about it.
I have used the search button but could not find my answers.
This might me a frequently asked question, so exuse me if the answer is on this forum.

I am the team sniper and exploring the possibilities of sniping.
In europe (most of al Belgium and France) the Mil-sims are played with AEG's.
I am the bastard that wants to be the sniper, thanks to my boss i do have the financial possibilities to full fill that position. :tup: ;-) :-)
I am the team sniper for a good year and thinking of buying a Ghillie Suit.
After a good evening of searching on the internet i found out that there are 3 type's of suits.
A stalker, Tracker and a Poncho, wich one should i take???
I know that there are Snipers on this forum, i saw some picture's.
Please help me, By means of this forum or PM.

Thanks a lot.

Greets TH_CYRUS50

Just make your own, much cheaper and possibly better.

www.airsoftretreat.com has tonnes of info (more than here) on the topic. And there is this: http://www.geocities.com/stalker217/ghillie/

Have fun and good luck!

That’s some thing that I have tried, it was a total disaster even after the necessary modifications
I also have time as an issue, working 50 hours a week with out school in the evening results in long day's an little to no sleep.

What kind of ghilli do you have CDN_Stalker??
Poncho, tracker or stalker

Thanks for the reply BTW


-CY

Making your own is allot cheaper. However it is very time consuming.

Home made you can also customize to your AO.

Of the three you listed it would depend on the amount of movment you plan on doing and what kind of postitions you usually take.

I would advise against a hood, it muffles the sounds around you and you miss allot.

Maybe you could buy the kit then if you failed to make one, then you can put it together and costumise it to the way you like it. It is expensive but like you said you make the dough. I have canadian combats as a base for mine. I bought mine at a paintball shop used for 60 dollars if you ask me that was a steal.

Mine started life as a poncho (100% homemade) then I realized it's a major pain to deal with in thick brush, snagging onthe outside with branches, on the inside with my gear. Cut it up, sewed canvas on the front of a woodland jacket, relocated the pockets, glued the netting onto it, got it messy in rain and mud.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/gallery...r_original.jpg

Ok what i got so far is.

No hood, its muffle's the sound.

My choise depends on the amount of movement.

I dont want to self assemble, ik dont have the time en patience for it.
My last attempt was very frustrating :-|
And the cash aint the problem.

I am a medium mover, i move around with the team, i do operate on my own but have radio contact with the team.
If i am correct it should be the "Stalker" version???
Thanks @ Farm boy for the reply.
@Swat2: indeed thats a rip off for a used Ghillie, new self assemble kits kost around 60$

Wow Stalker thats some nice gear you have there, 100% home made huh, you making me think twice ;) ;)

-CY

Planted the seed, huh? ;)

Thanks!

ghillie suits dot com
 

go to ghilliesuits.com
it shows you how to take a stalker suit and attach it to normal camo...pretty good, when i get some money this is the route i'm taking!

reasonable prices too...

TH_CYRUS50-@Swat2: indeed thats a rip off for a used Ghillie, new self assemble kits kost around 60$ - find me a full bdu ghillie suit, in Canada for under 60 bux and then ill consider it s rip-off for what i payed

Can't wait to see the look of that Ghillie mate... 60$ of materials... what have you got on that? that's without the time it takes to make a ghillie... oh roughtly a good 20-30 hours?

I make'em for 400$ + shipping if you're interested.

Yes about that time it took me longer, S***wing around with that jute and stuff.
400$ for an hand made ghilli that aint cheap.
I saw them on i-net for arround 150$Us wel lets say with shipping arround 200$ maybe 250$.

Why sow expensive, just curious ;)

-CY

400??? are u serious???

that's nuts...u can buy them off this site that supplies the military for under 200...

ghilliesuits.com

I made mine with a base BDU (1 size larger than usual), added netting, then the jute.

Took me 60+houres.

For the hood, I'd go for the hood, because if you go with the boony hat aproach, well, I personnaly don't like it because :

1- it don't break the shape of the head verywell
2- When you turn your head, people see a big lump of grass turning
3- The jute and branches end up sticking you in the neck
4- The boony make your gogle fog like crazy when crawling
5- If you want to remove your hat, you have to hold it somehow in your hand
6- when you crawl in thick brush, it tend to snag on branch and fall on your face or to the ground, making you do unessesary movement to replace it.


After all that, Im converting my ghillie suit to have a hood on it. It wont really muffle the sound, because it's going to be made of thin mesh.

http://66.131.112.143:8080/fox_sniper01.jpg

Rule of thumb is 60% natural vegetation and 40% fake stuff such as jute, and garnish, but this is airsoft afterall, like people been saying the best out there is the one ghillie suit you make, you want to make it so that it blends with the enviroment you are playing in, or at least to the best of that. the only thing I would recomend you buying is the jute thread, www.ghilliesuits.com has the best prices on the jute by far, as many say, it is very time consuming to make, but the end results are worth all that time spent into construction of the ghillie.

me personally I prefer only the top, rather than the full body suit, as someone said it snags onto branches and whatnot, what i use for the head piece is the Shemagh, then my helmet cover, it gets rather hot, but it is comfortable, and the shemagh keeps the mosquitos at bay.
http://photobucket.com/albums/y118/S...t=44714707.jpg you can see this in this pic

and this one
http://photobucket.com/albums/y118/S...warmonger1.jpg

this is the pic of my ghillie top,with the base being american woodland BDU
pattern
http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/S...nt=ghillie.jpg

feel free to PM me with any questions

ill have to post some of my pics of the 60 dollar ghillie suit hah.ill let you guess what it is made of and no its not jute.

I will get back at every one but first i have to go to work ;-)

Thanks for the reply people.

-CY

I think i asked on army.ca what was down by ur leg? its blue

Ok i now understand why i should make one of my own, i can personaly chose the collors my self.
If i would buy a premade Ghillie the risk of getting the wrong collor's is bigger.

I also read that the time that i have to invest in an tracker suit is about 5 hours, is there any one that confirm that time table???
And the price is a lot nicer

-CY

If you are doing the shirt and pants, it's about 60h. Only the shirt I would say about 45h. But that is all depending on YOU. What do YOU want to do and how fast you are doing it. I had to re-enfore by shirt at the elbow erea, remove all buttons, install velcros at some places, cut holes and stich them for ventilation. Just the shirt preparation prior to sewing the net and adding the jute is about 5h. If you don't have the jute strand ready, you have to cut it, pull all the trands by hand, die them, wash them somewhat (the messy part) and tie them to the net. That is the biggest part of the suit preparation.

If you make it yourself, you are sure it will fit your needs. And if you don't like the end result, you know exacly what to do to correct it.

I deciede so far that i only need an thorso, but i stil have my doubts of taking a stalker or tracker.
45 hours, well some one here planted a seed on me :D
I just have get the job done, wel vacation is comming up in a few weeks so that kit wil keep mee bussy.

I already want thank everybody, you have bin a great help keep posting i need the info.

Thanks and greets -CY

Yup :-)

Cordura patch before it was painted camo. After the pic, the burlap on the sides were also made longer to cover that area.

Fox_11 wrote
I did the dying of the burlap in my fathers restaraunt, boiled it all and rinsed it all in with in an hour, 4 pots boiling and two large pre-sock sinks for rinsing. did you glue your netting to your suit??? I did with some shoe glue, hasnt failed yet.

I dunno, personaly, I'd rather buy the pre-dyed jute....You can buy like 5 pounds of it in several different colors for like 40 bucks US. I dunno about you but it's not even worth my time to cut, dye and rinse the jute when I can just buy it. With the hours involved with that, hell...I can't do it for that cheap. Essentialy you're still doing most of the work yourself anyway. I mean, if you want the satisfaction of doing it all yourself thats one thing but well..... fuck that ;)

keeping in mind most people spend a shitload of time sitting on their ass(TV or ASC).
My friend made an awsome ghillie while he watched TV. when watching, just slowly work away on it....In no time he had a sweet ghillie.

ey Droc does that friend of you a picture of his ghillie??
I am curius 8)

-Greetz CY

I still mean you make the ghillie yourself, but just buy the colored jute as opposed to pulling it apart/dying it yourself. Personaly Im not really setup at home to do any amount of dying anyway, too damn messy. But as for tying all the little strands on to the suit, hell yeah, you should definately be doing that on your own.

60hours ... that's pushing it mate.

This is the one i'm currently using. 20hours to make it. I did mine while watching TV or listening to music. Goes by really fast. Sold 2 exactly like it. charged 400$ for each.

http://www.pbase.com/ghilliesuit/image/29680820
http://www.pbase.com/ghilliesuit/image/29680895

You need patience, lots of it.

$400 each?!?!? Holy crap, I gotta get making more ghillies then! (Hmmm, not a bad idea actually, I love doing it, initial cost is small................ :D)

that's what a www.ghilliesuit.com cost if you order it, and they are uber crap. Not that expensive... i only charge 20$ an hour for the work, which is very long and tedious. ;)

Honestly tho, more then 20hours into making a ghillie is time wasted.

It took me longer because I had to re enfoce and modify the base BDU, and set the place up. Im talking total time, preparations included.

I did it a little at the time, like 1 or 2 houres a day.

That's why It took about 60h. And Im not finished since all the shoulder and upper harm erea have ripped off and I have to redo it.

I used to sew only the netting with a standard strand but it kept ripping appart. So Now I use a tripple stich and I should add shoegoo on top of it, but for now, my stichs are holding well. I even caught mysleft in a strong branch and my ghillie almost dragger me to the ground and stayed intact.

They're definately right about doing it watching TV and whatnot... kills the time super fast, you're bored, put on some tunes and just work away at it... it's like old ladies and knitting :P... seriously though, best way to do it, and it goes by like twice as fast as if you're just sitting there dragging away, plodding along through it.

WOW thats real nice.
Ow goodnews, i found a stalker suit for just under 200$ i saw the picture's of the stalker suit and i am impressed, a sniper of the britisch army made's them too.
As soon as i have picture's i will post them, in the mean whille keep posting those nice picture's.

-CY

I also happen to have made one myself and indeed it takes a lot of patience. Preping the suit, stiching the net are the longest part of the job. For myself I didnt dye my burlap, I simply sprayed it with krylon that way I can customize it to any environnement I work in. I dont have pics yet but now its in desert partern for op colorblind. I'll take pics as soon as I get my damn fucking M24 which ''should'' be monday.

SEALs you said M24, wicht version do you have??
And wich kind of upgrade's are you planning to buy??.
I orderd the gas converion, i will only use it in the summer and have my spring upgrade for in the winter.
Do you knowanything about the gas cillinder.

-CY

Tanaka gas version no upgrade planned for now except for the tightbore barrel and G&G rubber set. 400+ fps out of the box with .36g bbs I belive its enought.

Ok i have a 450 FPS spring upgrade but soon the ags conversion will be installed.
This way i will keep my stealth.

-CY

I was looking into making my own ghillie so I got a question. Both those Ghillies were made with just jute right? they look really good.

Fox_111 and I both have M24s as well, CA version 2, upgraded (though mine is worn out, I can still get .36g BBs out past 200ft), I have a bunch of Guarder parts coming in. CA M24 is a workhorse, big time! Real rugged. Have a KJW M700 that I am still learning it's potential, but it's a nasty mother on propane, and a bit tweaky regardless. Duster is pretty much mostly what I use in in, depending on the tempurature of course. Below 20C I'll consider using propane.

This is tha shit :wink:
http://66.131.112.143:8080/M24_ghillied01b.jpg
CA M24 v2 fluted barrel. Fully upgraded. ~450fps on 0.20g
acurate to 200 feets and +

STILL can't get over that paintjob!!! Man oh man! Pretty useful camo you put on there Fox, nice job! Mine has been reworked some since I took this pic. Doesn't hang down as much. Guess the humidity and hot weather made my ghillie grow!

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/gallery...4_original.jpg

Stalker how do you switch mags with amount of cammo??

-CY

the ghilli make a little "tent" under the rifle, so you just brush asside the jute hanging and switch mags. It don't really get in the way, unless you are in a odd position.

In most games, a Mag of 20 rounds will last almost all day (milsim). I load my 2 mags and Im ready for the day hehe.

Well mil-sim is something that in europe is a wanted thing, but most Airsofters are equiped with hi-caps.
Myself is planning getting low caps, if neccesary i can alway's use the hi-caps as back-ups for my AEG
How ever mil-sim is making its apearence.

I have voor my M24 2 mags

-CY

2 mags for M24 is plenty, even for skirmishes. I have a 3rd on the way as backup (one of my mag is getting old).

I know a lot of airsofters in France, and when I look at their games, most of them are crazy skirmishes with "unrealistic" goals, like capturing the case of bubble gum....

Where I play, in Québec, we try do do our skirmishes realistic and sometime, make scenario that will enable player to shoot a lot and stay in the milsim point of view. So our games tend to have a lot of role play and mission twists.
Not just "go their and kill them all".

TH, Fox is correct, the underside of my stock is clear of stuff, loadng mags is easy.

Fox, I've heard (from Kokannee I remember) about some CF soldiers playing airsoft on their time off, was basically a game called "Capture the Keg". One team would defend the keg, the other team would try to overtake the base, then sit around drinking the beer when the other team tried to take it back. Hehe, my kinda drinkin game! Screw playing caps!!!!

We have some type's off game's.
we have:BHD, capture the flag, find the bom(time sensitive) Hamburger Hill.
My team is developing a scenario wich contain's Medics, Safe Zone's used as a medic base, Towns, POW, Wounded
The only thing is that the real Mil-sim isn't added because not everybidy is capable of buying Low-caps.
And i am going to try to add the sniper to the game, fortunatly we have a max FPS of 500 for the sniper, at least i have a edge.

Greets CY

lmao that's awesome. I think I plan on bringing my AEG to whatever base I'm stationed at next summer anyway... Just so I can catch some local games.

I have orderd a stalker suit as soon as i have picture's i will share theme.

Greetz CY

I finally took pics of my ghillie. First I ever made whitout help manuals.
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/gallery...mage.php?i=901

Welldone!
Did you fireproof and waterproof it?

Nope i didnt know. Perhaps you can tell me??!!

I'd imagine you can get both sprays at canadian tire.

Fire proofing spray bsically for safety as ghillies are so flamable. (give it a good spray and let it dry *before any water proofing is used so it actually soaks into the material)

Water proofing spray scotch gaurd works well which can easily be found at C.T. (spray on after the fire proofing has dried)
The water proofing will help keep it dry in wet conditions and help keep the weight down abit when it's wet out.

I usually get some fire proofing spray when I order supplies from a ghillie supplier I use but C.T. or Rona or Home Depot should have some like I said for other safety uses.
Water proofing is a good idea I just never bother cause I've got various suitss to keep weight down if it's wet out. But is still a good idea.

Good luck bud, n your suit looks good.

Seals, va a Decorateur Montreal (st-cat / St-elizabeth) au centre ville. Ils ont du bon stock. Sinon, Canadian tire.

Prend pas du stock silicone, ca devient gluant pis ca chi. Prend juste du stock liquide.

Utilise un sprayer (genre windex) des Dollars Stores, pis spray le Anti-feu. Une fois sec (laisse un bon 12 heures passer) spray le water-repellant. You're done.

Ch'te conseille de sprayer le BDU aussi.

J'ai essayé le spray au silicone, c vrai que ca donne un résultat dégeux... Seule avantage que j'y voi: Quand tu vas te rouler dans marde, ca va coller sur le ghillie pis y va plus matcher le terrain :|

C mieux d'acheter en format Canne (comme les canne de peintures). Ca ce concerve mieux pis c'est beaucoup plus facile a travailler.

Aussi, pour le anti feu, j'ai oublier, mais il faut le dilluer... genre 3 eau pour 1 feu. C'est écrit sur la canne parcontre, sinon demander des conseilles pour appliquer sur tissues naturelles.