Beware of manchovie!!!
 

Hey guys first off i wish you all a happy holidays and new year!!

Im making this thread to tell you guys my very disappointing and truly unacceptable experience i had with one of the gun docs i found on this site. I dont know if this is the right section to be posting this in, but i believe it does need its own thread and that everyone should know what i had to go through so it doesnt happen to anyone else.

My brother and i both had a gun that needed to be worked on, mine being a tokyo marui mp5 and my brothers is a custom built troy m7a1. We were wanting a few very basic parts to increase the velocity and accuracy in each gun. Since we dont know how to put any of these parts in we decided to find a gun doc to help us out.

After messaging a bunch of guys who lived in our area, we got a response from someone named MANCHOVIE a few days later saying he'd be happily willing to work on them. We checked out his page again and realize he was the most well known gun doc we messaged and see that hes worked on over 100 guns and has over 60 positive feedbacks. We message him back, he gives us his number and we end up setting a date to drop off our guns. It was October 21st when we drove down to his house, showed him the guns and told him what we would like to be done. He said there would be no problem and after he opens them up he would give us his opinion on what he thinks would be best for them. He seemed like a nice and helpful guy and that he knew a lot about airsoft, which he should. We left them with him and went our way.

A couple days pass without hearing from him, which is understandable, we decide to text him and see whats going on. He said he was out of town and would get a chance to look at them sometime this week. Two weeks and a bit goes by without hearing from him other than a response to getting a silencer, so we text him again. The next day he tells us he sent us a report over asc although our inbox in empty. He “resends” it and it says the mp5 needs a new tappet plate which broke and is jamming the gears, and the m7 is shooting great and recommends getting a new spring and a grease/reshim. Other than those parts he tells us to give him a list of anything else we wanted off of airsoftparts.ca and he can get it fast. We send him a list of parts the same day.

Days go by without hearing from him so again we have to text him. He tells us he plans to do more tests to make sure he gets everything we need and he should order it by tonight. Another week goes by without a reply to any of our texts and not knowing if he ordered it yet. We continue to text him everyday until we finally get a message on asc a few days later saying that hes having troubles with disassembling and reassembling the m7 because of the custom wiring job and that he needs to resolder them every time he takes it apart. Why are we just hearing this now when supposedly hes already taken them apart?? Ok we realize its a little extra work but nothing to worry about, especially that fact that really it only needs to be done no more than a couple times. He also says he didnt order the parts yet because he wanted to know if we wanted to rewire everything to a pouch on the stock. Uh no thanks we paid 80 bucks for the king arms peq box, plus 2 custom king arms 9.6v batteries and thats just going to cost us more money. After telling him this and few more days of waiting he finally texts us with the price of the parts and everything matches up. We ordered very basic parts including springs and barrels for each, a new hop-up for the m7 and a 3-lug silencer for the mp5.

A week later, on December 2nd he picks up the parts and tells us they will be all ready soon. I ask for him to try and get them finished for my brothers birthday on the 6th, but no reply. I then tell him the absolute latest we can pick them up by is the 16th because we leave on our Christmas trip for 9 days. Over a week goes by with no replies until the 12th when he tells us hes going to have an update this night. Next day he tells us hes having issues with the hop-up not making a seal but he did some research and said he should be able to make it work. I remind him they need to be done by friday, and he tells us not to worry.

Two days later he tells us the silencer isnt going to work on the mp5 and he hasnt worked on any internals because supposedly it takes “forever” to disassemble these guns. Im not a gun doc but even i know it doesnt nearly take as long as he says. He also now says the m7 is working very well disassembled shooting at 360fps, not sure how thats possible. I then ask him how long the new barrel is going to stick out of the mp5 since i dont want the silencer cus it doesnt work. He starts to go off saying i need to give him a great reason why i shouldnt have to pay for the 90$ silencer both he and the website said should work. I specifically asked him if it would work and he said of course, whole reason why we got a gun doc. Why would i buy a part that wont work, and if for some reason i did i would return it, which is impossible in this case since he used his credit card. I make sure to let him know they need to be done and again he tells me its a pain and takes forever to assemble the guns. How many times is this guy taking these things apart???

Well this is now the day before were supposed to pick them up and after several texts with a reply at midnight when he calls me saying theres no way hes getting them done for tomroro and that he has to go to Montreal all of a sudden for a funeral. Obviously im pissed off finding this out the morning of, but since hes going to a funeral i back off as much as i can and tell him were going to delay our trip until tuesday and pick them up then cus theres no way were leaving without them. Everythings fine and he says hes going to call us when he gets back on sunday.

Monday rolls around and we dont hear from him until 11 that night after several texts and no replies. He goes and tells us the mp5 is working nice but theres a crack in the hop-up but it should be fine!! Again why the fuck am i hearing this now, well probably cus he broke it last min while he was messing around. Its also shooting a little low so he has to swap the springs. Thought he already did that?? We ask him if hes going to get everything done because again this is the morning of. He texts me “We’ll see. Wish me luck.” Now im getting really pissed off since i told this guy numerous times we need to come tomroro cus we cant delay our trip again. Now this is where everything gets really fucked up.

An hour later he texts me saying “the mp5 is done and now onto the m7.” How is that possible if he told us it takes him forever to assemble these guns? So in an hour he ‘‘supposedly’’ disassembled it, swapped the springs and reassembled it. Well we know now hes been lieing about something. I text him back calling him out on this lie and he replies to me saying “Relax, i have no idea what your freaking out about.” I text him back saying im not freaking out i just wana know there gonna be done this time. Im already really pissed and it gets even worse when he tells me “how the hell am i supposed to know if theyl get done? all i can do is hope for the best and you being on my dick isnt helping.” No more than 10 minutes later “M7 is finished both guns shooting primo.”

At first i dont even know what to think cus now “supposedly” he disassembled and reassembled BOTH guns while swapping the barrels in each so that the shorter one was now in the mp5 all in under 2 hours. We know it clearly means he lieing about the time it takes him, which we thought in the first place, or hes lieing about actually working on them that night. I text him this calling him out once again and he has the nerve to tell me “its late because i have a fucking life and this is the only time i have to work on them, I should be asleep and u should be grateful.” I dont bother to say anything cus words arent exactly what i wanted to give him.

The next day we go to his house and he shows us the guns and test fires them dry without any bbs. They seem to work fine so we give him all the money he asked for. The only thing he says of value is i should be paying for the silencer. Nothing about delaying our trip or taking forever to do this. We go out to the car and my brother realizes theres a rattling noise in the handle every time he shoots. We go back to him and ask him what it is. Again he gives us a pathetic answer “how the fuck am i supposed to know whats rattling in your gun it works fine doesnt it?” Well u just had our guns for the past 2 months how the fuck dont you know! We get home put some bbs in it and guess what, they just fall right out maybe 5 feet infront. Call this fucker back and he says “its probably a broken gear or something i dunno.” I start freaking out he hangs up. Try a few more shots than all of a sudden doesnt even make a noise when you pull the trigger. Well i guess that rattling noise was the broken gear he never told us about. I call him back until he finally decides to pick up after multiple tries. He goes on saying “they worked fine at my house, you guys were the ones who broke something” and a bunch of other bullshit i didnt even bother to listen to. I finally get him to be somewhat reasonable and tells me he will call me after hes done work.

He texts me later saying hes going to reimburse us with half of the service fee, which is 70$. We already thought 140$ for his shitty service was way to much to begin with but we agree on it cus i didnt even wanna deal with the guy anymore. We end up bringing the m7 to Toronto Airsoft to get repaired before we leave, by the way big props to them! When we get back he tells us the gear was broken, obviously, the inside was bone dry, and its shooting at 320fps... So really all that manchovie did for a hefty 70$ to the m7 was install the 3 parts(barrel, hop-up, spring) in 2 MONTHS and let it break in his hands without telling us. Who knows if he even put the new spring in cus he never gave us our old parts back saying theyr “garbage and useless” and he told us he chronied it at 360fps(lie). I text this joke all this and the last thing he says to me “thanks for implying im a scammer. your guns are probably working PERFECTLY just like when i had and chronied them. I should have checked if the m7 was even broken before trusting your dipshit asses. Enjoy the cash and the fruits of your bullshit.” All while we we’re at Toronto Airsoft getting our gun back...

Well he thinks it ended there, but i hope this thread keeps everyone away from this lazy scamming asshole. Everyone stay away from MANCHOVIE cus nobody deserves this pathetic display of poor business and disrespect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ill be waiting here patiently for more of your fruity bullshit excuses BARTEK, LMAO!!!! Hope u never get a customer again.

First off, I have no relation to Manchovie. I've never talked to him before further than replying to one of his posts on the forums.

It honestly sounds like you're one of those "nightmare" customers. Gundoctors are few and far between. Some of them have ALOT of work to do, and as far as I know there isn't anyone in the country who has a 100% full time job as an airsoft gun doctor.

When someone is doing something for you, don't text them and keep calling them for updates... I know when people do that to me it drives me nuts.

You should always try the gun at the tech's place with BB's... I have a huge bag of BB's available, and 90% of the people that pick stuff up at my place shoot their upgraded gun and have the option to run it through the chrono if they want to.

I can't comment on the gun not working as I have never (to my knowledge) seen or heard anything about his work. It sounds like something that could have been sorted out much smoother if both parties had remained polite and civil.

Manchovie is a friend and former co-worker of mine. I would trust any of my guns to him in a heartbeat and have. Any failure here is on the part of the abusive and unreasonable customer.

Also if your ever in Toronto don't take the time to check out TTAC3. You will be refused at the door.

Bdot, no offence... But if you can't wait for someone to fix your toys you should really learn to do it yourself.

Oh man, where's my popcorn?

[I've spoken to manchovie several times at conventions, and I am good friends with many veterans who will back him up, I've also shot with him a number of times, and he also has a wicked reputation as a gun doctor. Amos, I believe, has hit the nail on the head and I will happily distance myself from Bdot as a participant of our sport, and I will distance you from any games I co-host, admin for, or even know the host. Welcome to the boards.]

That really sucks to hear. This is why I do all my work myself.

Who are you to start swearing and calling someone names?
Why aren't you verified?
What's up with your attitude?

I understand you may be frustrated at your gun's problems, but you're way out of line in the way you dealt with your gun doc. You think you're the only one who's requested his services? You think just because you've flashed your cash, he'll drop everything else in his life to rescue your AEG? No, and you knew that to begin with. It sounds like you were hounding the guy. In addition, have you ever taken apart a gun? Most people have, and don't kid yourself, it's no easy task. It doesn't matter if you've done it a hundred times. It's a messy business. There's grease everywhere, overly-cocked springs that fly out at you, a million little bits that'll test the best modeler's patience, and so on. If an experienced gun doc says your gun is a pain in the ass to take apart, and you disagree, why aren't you doing it yourself? Do you go to a doctor and tell him his diagnosis of your disease is wrong? So that's you.

As to whether or not the gun was fixed, and when any additional problems may have occurred, have you consulted any other experienced parties? ASC has many avenues of dispute you could have pursued before dragging someone's name through the mud. I'll admit, you're not going to get fair treatment here; you're calling out a veteran who's damn well respected. But you should have expected as much, from your confrontational attitude towards the situation. You'd better have all your ducks in line (which you probably don't) if you want to continue this line of discussion. Do the smart thing and settle it like a civilized person, before the admins come in here and force the same thing on you. And they're nowhere near as nice as any of the previous posters have been.

+1

I have to admit bud, that if you had calmly stated your experience and not vilified or insulted Manchovie you would probably received more sympathy. Manchovie is a trusted member of the community, while you are not yet even age verified meaning that you are either underage or unwilling to take even the most basic steps to be part of this community.

Thanks not to say that you are not correct in your interpretation of the events just that reputation on ASC is all you have and Manchovie has a great one while you have none. I suggest that in the future before you go off on a rant on another member in good standing with this community you think long and hard on how to go about getting your point across.

If I were you I would try to work out an agreement with Manchovie, but as you basically came out flinging shit and him and trying to ruin his good name he will probably tell you to go eat a dick.

alright awesome the first replies obviously have to be from his freinds to back him up. Im not new to this site or airsoft actually, i just dont live for airsoft like u all do, its a hobby and when i put alot of money into it i expect good results. When i message someone to put in a few basic parts in a reasonable period of time, thats what i expect. Why should i trust someone i dont know with over a thousand dollars worth of product when i get no replies and a bunch of lies and excuses. There wouldnt have been any constant messaging if he did what he said he was going to do.
You guys probably quit after the first paragraph. He didnt do anything he said he would and gave us A BROKEN GUN after 2 months then denied it being broken. Oh and this guy defenitly didnt have ALOT of work to do AMOS cus he said it himself he spent all of his "free time" on our guns. He told me it took him 8 hours to do everything. Thats like half an hour a day, and i had to pay him 140 fucking dollars for it.
Why dont you read the post first before u all act like know-it-all cunts who back up their boyfriend.

Dude, are you paying him $100 a day? if not let him take his time. Sometimes I get bogged down and it takes a little longer than expected to get a customers gun back to them. I have a life, a family and I know that I don't want to spend all my sometimes limited spare time working on guns.

Aw, you mad.

id love to here his side of the story. no offence but you seem like you needed to cool it a little bit. from your story he seemed very civil until you broke down. these guns can be VERY temperamental and im sorry but hounding someone at all hours is ridiculous.

yeah....that will work for you asshole..

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. But please realize that ASC is a community, and if you would like to be a part of it insulting others isnt the way to go. After burning those bridges as you just did I hope you realize that you are in for a rough time to be welcome at any events...

I suggest you apologize for the insults and just stop while you are ahead. I do no forsee good thing coming from this thread for you.

i read ALL of your post, and i have never met or delt with your gun doc. im not his friend nor do i even KNOW him other then seeing his posts on the forum, and trust me its you that comes off as the cunt. you come here bitching that someone didnt fix your toy quickly enough when you harrased him 24 hours a day, every day then call us cunts for not agreeing with you?

take a step back and get your head out of your ass

I dont live for airsoft, airsoft lives for me.

You should chill bro, you are making a ass of your self. A good attitude will go a long way on theses boards. Think of it this way. They do it because they care for you, you need to know theses trues about this community. Best of luck thought.

+1. I've never even met the guy. Could be a sheep typing away at a computer for all I know. The point is, up until your second post, you had some respected members of the community being VERY generous to you, despite your poor treatment of others. It'll do you no good to disrespect some more people simply for telling you to calm down. Seriously, be calm and civil, and things will work themselves out.

Then you should've bought a quality gun, if you spend alot.
Not only that, you mention it's a hobby.
A hobby is where you're supposed to learn to do this shit on your own.
Ex. Opening up a gearbox, and learning how to put it back together.

You wouldn't need to spend $140 if you learned how to do this on your own.
You wouldn't need to spend $140 if you bought a quality gun.
Lastly, you wouldn't get bashed on, and have a shit gun if you didn't behave like a child insulting someone.

If you had a problem, go to his house and show him in person.
Since you have the balls to show everyone how you are on this thread, why don't you tell him in person?

Lol. This may be the first thread where the person who's bringing up the "beware of ___" gets banned instead of the "offending" party.

Re-read what I said. When you're able to handle a problem with a cool head and in a respectful manner... You'll get MUCH farther.

Do you honestly think that people have time to work on things every day?

When you build an airsoft gun, MOST people will try to do it all in one sitting... That means you've got to find a time where you've got quite a few hours of nothing coming up... For most people, finding a block of 5+ hours of free time isn't an easy task.

$140 in labour is a fucking deal, if you hate to pay the gundocs for their time then learn to do the shit yourself as far as calling us know it all cunts backing up their boyfriend... who the fuck are you?? Some of us have trusted Bartek to leave our broken AEG with him way before your time and we are not talking about some cheap ass clone either. As far as his rep as a gundoc, there are a few here in ASC that I trust to serviced my AEG/GBB/GBBR and he is one of them, I'm willing to bet you the shit I gave to some of these gundocs to fix is far worse that what most of the members here have seen and you know what?? all of them came back with no issue, as for $140 for two guns....shit I'll gladly pay twice that to avoid the headache fixing the shit myself. Sounds like you need a big dose of man the fuck up. keep in mind that these gundocs DO have jobs outside these boards and they DO have other priorities other than getting Bdot guns fixed so he can go on his vacations.

I don't even know manchovie. I know the sorts of people know him and can easily say they wouldn't if he tried any bullshit.

You, on the other hand... You sound like a child.

I've known Manchovie for years, he's an excellent gun tech, full stop.

it is people like you who drive gun techs out of the business.

Most only do work for people they know, because you never know if your next client will be like you are.

$140 for 8 hours skilled labour? really.. he undercharged you by 70%

This is also why most gun techs give it up... most people won't pay a fair rate for the work.

Standard rate for this kind of work should be $50 to look at the gun, $40 An hour for labour + parts.

I expect Manchovie feels worse about this than you do... you're pissed, he did not get paid enough to deal with your behavior.. and all this is getting aired out in public.

+10
next time youtube and google will be your friend, if you call this a hobby treat it like one, not some entitled brat. sit down open it up and learn. then if your actually stuck. call up a doc. a barrel hop up unit and spring isnt exactly brain surgery

Have you tried taking apart an mp5? pain in the ass, the amount of times you gotta take it apart and put it together just to fine tune it properly.

The rest of your rant, pointless. You're just some bratty kid who wants the world without earning it.

Hey, I got a question, did you pay up front for any of the parts for his work, or did he front you a lot of money?

both the OP and ASC member's responses are kind of narrow minded and block headed. The OP did say that Manchovie voluntarily called the OP to reimburse some fees because Manchovie himself admitted of some mistakes. It would be good to hear his side of the story as well, rather than just "I know the guy, didn't read your post but you're shit wrong."

OP needs to calmn down too.

Just cus im not age verified u think im some kid? Age verification is gona make me a better customer, airsoft player, why does that matter? I paid him a shit load of money for basically very little work. Just cus hes respected on here doesnt make him exempt from giving someone bad service. Oh i only insulted him as much as he insulted me. I acted completely reasonable with him until i got the guns back and found out they were BROKEN!! Like i said i went to TORONTO AIRSOFT to fix it and told them the whole situation. They are located right down the street from his house and for some reason nobody there heard of him other than the doc who fixed my gun and all he said was the guys good with pistols. After hearing the WHOLE story they all expressed my anger and distress towrads this.
Why dont you all start reading again from the 4th last paragraph since most of u probably didnt bother reading any of it. But ofcourse take his side cus u know him and not me. Where do u all get off saying i shouldnt be contacting him asking for updates? If it takes a month for him to finally order parts and start working on them i have more than enough reason to contact him until he shows me something productive. I didnt get a word from him for weeks straight after he tells me again and again hes going to finally look at them, hes finally ordering the parts, hes finally going to put them together the night before i need to come pick them up. Sure he has a life outside airsoft, but after a month you would think he would find some time.

Please people all your replies are im good friends with him hes done a great job on my gun, well this isnt your gun or your situation so if your just gona post bs about your experience with him gtfo of this thread.

Now you're the one not reading. Half of us have told you we don't know him. Perhaps you misunderstand. A month is actually NOT a long time for a gun to be shelved at a gun doctor's. That's fairly average, if not a small period of time with some of the busier ones. If you keep that in mind, does it still seem unreasonable for him to be taking a month to deal with your stuff? Just calm down a little, and try and understand the reasoning we're trying to impart on you. If you're being as fair as can claim to be, surely you're able to ignore the posters you presume to not be contributing to a constructive discussion of the matter?

I can see how OP would be angry, when I pay for service I expect the results. I don't know Manchovie, nor have anyone in this thread really. But on the same note there have been many insults thrown at members who have responded to it. Be aware that those little text boxes are the only impression they get of you so when you start calling members "cunts" and the like you come across poorly. Let up on the shit slinging to the other members and stay focused on the issue at hand. I agree that Manchovie's side is required.

Dude. Look at my location. Now look at his. I never met the guy in person, I just talked to him from time to time on ASC, and read what he wrote.

Still, I will personally vouch for the guy as being a stand-up guy.

You had bad comms. That needs to be addressed, and creating a thread about the subject is still within reason.

This being said, don't assume people posting here are friends defending him.

I read your whole post as I did this thread. 8 hours total time might be a reasonable time quote, but there might be other issues such as time for part delivery, other guns in queue before you, personal issues or anything else.

Your fears have been publicly vented, give the guy a chance to get back to you before going gun-ho on the rest of us.

People think you are some kid because you act like one. Some members are giving you honest advice and saying that you should calm down, organize your thoughts, and communicate like a mature individual. Calling people names, swearing, and insulting people while not typing properly does not help your case.

why do you just assume that we dont agree with you because we didnt read your post all the way through. i read every last word and still have the same opinion, and why would you not want hear anyone else's opinion who has had great experiences from him. why make this thread at all if you didnt want replys to it. thats like me saying i hate bacon and eveyone that likes bacon can fuck off cause i dont want to hear it. again im not his friend, dont know who he is, i read ALL of your posts and still think your acting like an ass

Buddy, All of Toronto Airsoft staff and Frank included weren't around as long as Bartek has. Do you know what is involved in taking apart an AEG?? trust me $140 is not a lot of money especially for two AEGs, going rate is $40/hr and some charge as much as $60/hr for the hassle and pain in the ass as mating different parts in a mechbox may or may not work as it supposed to be. Working on an aeg with mixed parts is like waiting for a call girl to your place, you'll never know the quality till she shows up on the door even then you better pray for the best, I have bought the best parts money can buy for a complete mechbox only to find a little over half will work, and the rest produce some sort of issue. Comparing the fully stocked Toronto Airsoft repair room vs Bartek apartment is a moot point TA have all the parts that they need to make shit works Bartek have to get the parts.
Just so that you don't think we are picking on you Bartek have taken my M240B and resolve the issue that I was having that my other two gundoc can't fix the amount of parts and frustration I have with this AEG has gone far beyond the $400 mark, and borderline about to toss the whole fucking thing in the garbage bin, Bartek not only fix the issue he saw some wiring that is not right and fixed it too without being asked..... you know how long that AEG been at his place?? over a month during that month we had two big ops that I can definitely used the extra firepower, did I hound him everyday? No in fact he hounded me to pick the gun up from him. You coming on here bitching and cursing everyone here that have tried to make sense into your issue is an act of a little whinny kid you could have resolve the issue with Bartek one on one, and many here can vouch that he has been more than a reasonable person if it were others things would have not gone your way.

Based on your posts in your other threads, it seems you would be an extreme pain in the ass to deal with.

Bdot your lucky you where not hit with a lawsuit for harassment

i have taken my gear box appart multiple times it does take an hour to take fully appart rebuilding takes even longer

if you want i will swap a spring for you right in front of you and you will see how long it take or better yet try it your self you will be paying someone to put it back together for you

why are you even bitching your not AVed yet and your saying that you have guns, for all we know your some 13 year old bitching because you dont even know the mechanics of the guns

you are a moron unless you have spent around 150 in PARTS you will not have an accurate reading on the chrono my TM M733 shoots between 202 and 282 fps throughout 10 shots

do you have any proof that he is lieing you didnt post the texts if you thought you where being scammed you would have recorded your calls to him and called the police

but clearly you didnt another nail in the coffin that your under age and cant LEGALLY own an airsoft gun

how do we know these mp5s are not cheap bass pro shop shit guns that you are trying to make amazing, you can shine shit all you want its still shit you say that its a custom and a TM but how do we know that there is no proof

if he is well known dont you think he knows what he is doing

there are gun docs on here that have even high positive feed backs

you should know that you dont give gun docs if you want things done right it takes time "rome wasnt built in a day"


did you ever think he may have had to order the parts


you are just wanting to bitch about the things you dont understand you would probably buy a car and in the winter bitch that it take a few more seconds to start then it did when you bought it in the summer

you have no proof there for this did not happen now stop bitching and start by getting AVed first you have been on here almost 2 years and you have not been aved yet you are clearly under age

you havent even given him bad feed back there for this didnt happen so stop lieing

being aved is the way we know that you are trust worthy

Im only calling the ones "cunts" who arent bothering to read it all and are just siding with him cus they know him. Most of you say i should learn on my own if i dont wanna pay 140$?? That has nothing to do it, i would have had no problem paying him that if actually gave me proper service or even a working gun!!!
And wft are u talking about crappy guns the m7s probably better than alot of guns u have seen. Again more nonsense bs from people who dont like to read.
To the people who dont know him and are just tuning into this stupid mess, how would u all like it if you gave a RESPECTED gun doc a couple grand worth of material only to let it sit in house until he finally decides to look at it and then tells you he cant get half of the parts to work?? And then find out at the last min parts are broken in both guns while the RESPECTED gun doc is lieing to your face??

I'm just going to break this down so you understand why we think it's hilarious and that you're a bad customer.


Yes. Precisedly. Go get Age Verified.

It matters because it shows you gave the bare minimum effort to be part of this community be meeting a representative of the site in person and proved you are of sound mind to the best judge of the Age Verifier.

You are not a gun doctor, therefore you do not know what constitutes "basically very little work", and you are at the mercy of the gun docs hourly rate.

Correct, but, if you are a respectable member of society, and a lunatic nobody starts screaming obscenities: Said lunatic spends the night in the drunk tank.

That's very mature of you, I'm glad that attitude is working out for you.

I'm glad you realise you are being unreasonable.

So, the only person who had heard of him was the person in the same field of work as him. That is not surprising. That, and he had nothing but good things to say about him to boot. Interesting. I see a trend.

Reply to our questions, and relax. If you start a witch hunt, someone is going to get burned, now you know.

This is all within reason. Did he state that he was busy and did he ask if you were in a rush when you first talked to him about getting the work done?

So he got the job done, and on time. 'Grats to manchovie.

This is speculative and just because you have a lot of free time, does not mean that everyone shares your luxurious and excessive waste of time.

This is NOT your thread, you are stating that this person has burned you and are informing the public about your poor experience. To think that people would not respond makes no sense, because with that expectation, you shouldn't have bothered typing.

Bdot, you need to take a chill pill before an admin takes the ban hammer to you.

1: its not a full time job, people have lives.
2: you gave him a couple of grand of materials? you gave him 140$ and a LIST of stuff you wanted. you didnt give him parts, i know that because you said that he was going to order them for you (which takes time)
3: why are you capslocking RESPECTED!1!! ?
4: you have a l33t awesomz mp7 that most of us have never seen? why does it have a clear active camo body
5:???????
6: your acting like a knob

PROVE THAT YOUR GUNS ARE NOT SHIT, learning on your own has alot to do with it how do you know what hes is doing if you dont even know how it functions

and buddy i have held thousand dollar guns and im having one built for me too,

and you said your self he did it in his free time so of course its going to sit

you are right we probably wouldnt like it if that happened to us but if it did we would have proof that it happened rather then wasting peoples time bitching

and you still have not given any negitive feed back so stop lieing and being an attention whore this didnt happen deal with it

I suggest you re read what was written here, have a cup of tea or something to calm the fuck down and compute what we are trying to say to you. I would rather have my gundocs telling me that the parts I bought wont work well rather than it breaking down in a game, You do know that even some of the most expensive parts for AEG fail even after a few shots? it's called manufacturing defect and in Airsoft chances of you purchasing a subpar QC parts are better than you winning a lottery. Thosand of dollars of AEG's eh? what your M7 troy a PTW? or is it equiped with some leet night vision shit?

+1

Also the fact that you think $140 is alot of money even after being refunded 50% adds to the being a kid attitude.

You need to relax dude before H1tman's prediction gets acted on by an admin that reads this thread.

I told him i needed the guns on a certain date before the guy even ordered the parts. And dont give me the excuse hes got a life outside airsoft and i shouldnt be giving him a time frame. I gave him a time frame of 2 months ahead of time for 8 hours of work. Which all of it supposedly were on the nights before i told him i had to leave on a vacation. Not only that but he didnt even put it together properly!!
And then i shit from him after i realize its broken and he doesnt even wanna give me my money back or even fix it properly a second time. Ur all saying im being disrespectful to the guy, but actually hes the one who called us names and gave us nothing to be thankful for. Should i really be respectful to the guy who denied breaking my gun and then gave me a hassle while trying to get reimbursed?

Oh, so he was dry firing the gun and broke it at your house?

At this point I think we are also pissed at the shotgun approach you have to us and the barely concealed hypocrisy.

Look, if you think you got ripped off, and you think you're the better man, than act like it. Only fools fight fire with fire. If you've been wronged, lay out exactly why you think so in a civil manner. Then, if Manchovie barges in here slinging shit at you (unlikely), we'll all know what's up. If you're the one who's at fault, what you've done will also quickly become evident. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding somewhere in the process. These things happen, and as you clearly think you're the better man, why don't you do the honourable thing and calmly work out the kinks?

first he does not have to do shit unless he feels like it. being a gun doc is not a tax deductable job

second if you were going on vacation why did you need your guns. you could just leave them with him till you got back

third how do you know it wasnt back together right if you never took it apart in the first place

forth you are being disrespectful he is probably at least twice your age respect your elders dumb ass

fifth he gave a reason to be thankful for he did fix your gun you just didnt know it

and last he gave you your money back to shut you the fuck up and to leave him alone again you lucky he is not pressing charges for harassment and again you have not given bad feedback yet so obviously this didnt happen


WHERE IS YOUR PROOF

how hard is it to post a pic of your guns to prove they arnt shit

so you admit you gave him a time frame and that he met it, you told him i must have it by this date then literally harassed them the whole time, the way i see it you gave him a date two months away so he thought he had some time to get to it and order your parts. and your all pissed he didnt get it done sooner then the date you gave him. thats like a teacher telling you a paper is due on feb 10th then giving you an f for not handing it in on jan 20th.

also i dont understand, your complaining how little time it actually takes, why didnt you just do it yourself? would you be less angry if he slaved for 36 hours to install a spring?

wow now i get the "your not even telling the truth replies". Get bartek in here and see what he has to say first. Cus if hes so RESPECTED and honest hes gona tell u they were GOOD enough for him to stuggle for a month on. If thats what all u guys want is proof ill put up a picture of my guns tomoro for all u who wanna just get off topic and start making excuses. The m7 is a full metal body TROY with every magpul part u can imagine. Dont talk to me about being a kid cus im not av or complaining about 140$, sorry but to me thats alot for some service i never got in the first place. And what are u even saying white-knight?? I gave him both of my guns which sat in his house.......
Dont tell me to calm down, i aint freaking out, im trying to defend myself from all of u who seem to agree with the guy who hasnt even said a word yet.

You are freeking out just by the way your replying to everyones posts.

As for him not saying anything is probably because:

1: he has a job to be at in the morning

2: he doesn't want to bother talking with/about you anymore

BACK THE FUCK UP! you have MAGPUL parts on your gun, holy shit, i had no idea. im sorry i take back every thing i said, i didnt know. a TROY metal body you said? ok i get it now. your right it is awesome.

i can think of threads FULL of guns with magpul shit all over them. thats like saying my guns is awesome cause it has sights

I'm going to have to +1 everyone else here.

I don't know manchovie but he seems like a good guy and if there's a lot of vets willing to back him up then maybe you should step back from the situation and look at it from an objective approach.

Just take it easy and ask in a calm manner what he can do for you to remedy the situation and make things cool. That's the approach I take and I'd like to think that I'm a good customer but also one that demands good service and gets it because I'm so "easy going". I know it's not easy sending your expensive stuff out to repair centres and whatnot but if you take the time to look for a good one and are an easy client to deal with then it should be no problem.

Currently I have one of my guns (worth about $400) at a gundocs who lives 3 provinces over. I approached them around October and they've had the gun in their possession for a couple weeks now. I'm not worried because he seems to be trusted and it looks like he does good work. I'll check up on him once in a while obviously but I'm not going to pester him every day.

As for the Troy M7, well AR15/M4 pattern guns should usually be pretty easy to work on and I've done work on some M4's before but the MP5 I wouldn't know since I've never worked on one (not on the externals anyways). As for the M4 being hard to disassemble, that could be the case if you're wired for a connector that doesn't go through that notch on the bottom of the barrel cleanly as is the case with mine with deans which is a bit hard to do.

Some people here know me, more from games then the boards as i don't normally post. i have never really met manchovie to my knowledge, however i am aware of his reputation as a veteran of the community and his work as a gun doc. if you had of been less hostile right of the bat i may have seen your side. i have read your ENTIRE post and all others after it on every page and i find it insulting and ridiculous, your acting like a child instead of dealing with it like an adult. If you had of done this in any other situation in public chances are you would have a broken nose or worse but thats a different matter. I've read that it was dry fired in his house( WITH NO COMPLAINT THERE IN) and then you went to the car and dry fired it there was a rattle. first off WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING PLAYING WITH IT IN THE CAR, your an idiot, second off if it was fine in his house you left his property before a problem, in any form of tech support job, that no longer leaves the fixer obligated as it worked when handed to you, nor did you request to fire it properly at his house to make sure (as your statement doesn't say so). As far as bartek coming in here to chime in, doubt it will happen as all the veterans of the community know full well how that turns out in a dispute thread. (ex... bordensniper) it just fly's out of control and bans get handed out. respect goes a long way bdot, instead of getting aggressive you should have tried to solve in personally before the boards publicly. and NO tech would reimburse full cost, labour yes, parts NO, the gun may not be fixed but the parts are YOURS. if i ever host a game again you are not welcome at them and that goes for Gato as well., have a good day sir, next time we meet it will probably be at the gallows.

tl;dr.

By the way, you're mean for saying manchovie is a "lazy scamming asshole."

How about you not waste your lovely time talking here?

You wasted 30 hours typing this shit up, but you wasted COUNTLESS hours of other people trying to read your stupid rant.

whats wrong with posting them now and there are knock off magpul i can get an mbus sight set for 15bux, we arnt making excuses we are telling you the truth your the one trying to blame someone else for something you dont understand

troy is just a name just because you put it in bold doesnt mean its real


only half decent service you would get for 140 is from a hooker on a corner

you get what you pay for

short time + little money + you bitching = you think u would get quality if so check your self into a mental hospital

and if you have this short a fuse you should never be allowed to drive on public roads

OP...

YOU is spelled YOU not U

By the way I have read ALL of your posts Every word

Dude take a pill relax.

if he had to order parts they can take weeks perhaps even a month or more to come in. Perhaps he had to wait until he had enough cash to shell out for your parts (until you paid him back)

it is simple dealing with a gun doc....

Example... Amos works on all my guns and he has to order parts. He pays for them and then charges me accordingly. for time and materials. Life is good. I get back a gun that I can trust in and when it fails (and they all fail sometime) then he gets it again for whatever is needed...

Simple rules to deal with a gun tech....

1. Appreciate that he probably has another job that feeds his family and that takes up time.
2. Appreciate that he may not feel like picking up your gun every night sometimes TV time or veg time is more important.
3. Appreciate that he has skill (that you don't have - or don't want to have)
4. Appreciate that he may have other guns to work on.
5. Parts take time to come in (they may come from china or Japan or even the US hell sometimes US shipments can take weeks too..
6. Don't bug the gun tech. I STFU (look it up) and let him do what he does best.
7. have a spare gun to use if you must have work done in the "ON season" in the Off season who cares how long it takes you can't play anyway. but invest in a backup gun as I said EVERYTHING FAILS..... EVERYTHING
8. As amos said Test it at the Gun Doc's place with BB's and with a chrono so you know you have achieved the desired result.
9. DON'T Call them and swear at them. GEEZ that will get you service. i suspect (and I don't know the guy) but I suspect if you had called him and left a nice calm voice mail such as

"Hi. I was testing out my gun at home and the BB's just dribbled out and then it stopped working all together. could I possibly impose on you one more time to have a look at it and let me know if there are issues"

I suspect again (not knowing him) he would have happily gone out of his way to assist you. but instead you chose to yell and throw a tantrum and well you see where that got you...

indeed you do get more flies with honey then with a stick and guess what.... Kind words get you good results.

anywho

please stop saying "u" when you mean "you" this is not text messaging here



Remember the guy

I think the bulk of frasturation comes from this lack of communication:

There wouldn't have been an issue if he stated right away: "stop messaging me, I'll get back to you later" and "I will get it done in x days" .. not "soon", since soon can be an hour or 3 months..

Amos, back in the day when I sent you my AK you told me upfront, "I'll look at it in a month", which was the "right thing to do".

So, sure Bdot is overreacting, but he has some valid points.

EDIT: Hates gonna hate :)

Wait you bitched at him, blamed him, and complained to him and what Expect him to magically go sorry I'll fix what ever is wrong?

You do know he did that all during his free time for what is probably a small sum for him to keep. And after all that you bitched at him and expected him to want to interact with you? He doesn't need you as a customer so if your gona be a little shit about it. You just screwed yourself! Guess how many gun docs will work on your stuff with a mouth like that? NONE!

I wouldn't. I mean heres the thing. He makes a living sans gun doc. Being a gun doc? Earns a couple extra bucks of lunch money makes the bills a little bit easier. See what i am getting at here?
I deliver Pizza's. When I get a customer that doesn't tip, whines bitches and the like. Well next time I got 4 orders in my car, while I'm burning up my gas, and putting miles on my engine, well they can have their pizza last and enjoy it cold. Why cause the other people might tip. I might make money off them. The butt hurt customer who doesn't understand I'm busting my ass for them can go screw themself. I mean I've crashed 1 car this year so if they don't like it that I'm busy, there is traffic, street lights, and cops out on the road with me. I don't really need to 2 or 3 bucks they might have tipped me.

So heres the thing. He doesn't need you, but you needed him. So swallow your pride and treat him like an another human. Your not a god.

IT's a TROY WITH ALL SORTS OF MAGPULL!! COME ON it's the shit's man.

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Ooohh look i have a King Arms Troy too
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Here you go you want a dick measuring contest? Just some of my Gundoc's work including Bartek, some of these have been in their individuals possesion for more than a month and these are just a few to mentioned not including all the classic airsoft items and other AEG/GBBR

agreed

Bdot you best learn how to fix your own guns because no one will fix them now

like i said you can watch me do it for free on your gun but you may not like the results if i do it fast

Bdot, here's some advise for you:

1.) Calm down.
2.) Calm the fuck down.
3.) Learn to spell or hit F7 more.
4.) Check the attitude.
5.) Explain your complaint/problem, remember don't be a tool, then provide a solution for said complaint/problem.
6.) Request options to enable resolution of the issue if one has not yet been made.

I can understand your predicament but the method that you are going about it is COMPLETELY the wrong way.

I have the utmost respect for Manchovie and will go to bat for him all day every day and I've only met him once.

I just wanted to offer you a way out of this shit storm before its too late... well I think it past that point. Possibly a life lesson for you.

Bdot you may want to learn how to use google and youtube cause I have to agree that there is no chance a gun doc will fix your guns for you.

Spend the time to learn how to fix them it pays off in the end. (I pulled appart my M4 for a spring change the day I bought it and it was the first gun I ever owned)

Some guys charge $60/hour for AEG work? Try to get a plumber in the evenings and on weekends and you'll get a real shock.

Holy crap, I should have been charging $100/hour for PTW work.

Glad I don't do AEGs anymore.

I really added nothing to this thread.

Carry on.

I'll gladly pay your rate for your PTW work, heck I'll even throw in a few jars of bacon jam your way

Wild card his gun is better than all of yours, he has magpul stuff on it, all the magpuls you can dream of. He has all of them. On his gun. I wish I had magpuls

yeah me too

Mmmmm........

Bacon.

I'm still adding nothing of value to this thread. That nothing is still a whole lot better though than most of the rest of it.

BTW, where did you find that Prime lower, and who did you have to kill?

This makes me want to get familiar with PTWs.

Not for the money.

I need to know what bacon jam tastes like.

Manchovie has been late on fixing my guns before (though I actually can't remember any time that he has, I'm sure it has happened.)
Manchovie has also fixed my guns the night before a match with absolutely no prior notice.
He's never messed up my guns before. And he has had many opportunities to manifest any sort of incompetence. He has probably opened up my mechboxes about 100 times. (that's what she said). I will grant that he is a fallible human being and a fallible gundoc and that it is possible that the service to your gun was an anomaly or something. (If indeed it was in the condition you described).

Manchovie has never been unreasonable with me. I value his judgement and expertise. I trust his integrity.
What I can accept in your narrative is the potential that something may have gone wrong. What I can't accept is that his response to you was disproportionate to whatever treatment he received from you.

Wow, after reading this thread, I feel so generous as a gun doc! I undercharge people and finish their guns in less than 5 days, and never heard a complaint for anyone!

Now my only questions would be how does this break down? Did Manchovie break down the costs and provide copies of receipts? If you payed him without these your fault. You should have requested these. I myself would ask a gun doc who would work on my gun to record the time/date he started/finished working on any of my guns. And a copy of any costs associated with parts/labour/shipping. Why cause I want to know what I am paying for.

I'm guessing you got excited handed over the cash when't on your merry way and where never a smart consumer. Sure the business should be responsible in part but in the end you walked away confident that you could be sloppy. Manchovie might have assembled your gearbox wrong or didn't tighten your motor all the way simple fixes. When you called him up maybe you could have asked "Hey Manchovie this is Bdot calling you back. Sorry I've been such a bother but my brothers gun is making a weird noise mind if we bring back later and figure it out together. I really want my gun working. And wonder if you could teach me how to fix this in the future."

Heck a buddy of mine traded me a FAMAS recently that only shoots 160 FPS am I mad? No

1. I never asked him what's it shoot before trading it (( my bad))
2. It was bought as is. (( hey just like those over priced used cars on kijiji (remember buy certified, kids)))
3. It's sexy
4. I still got a 'kill' with it.
5. I like it plus I only want to get the FPS around 300. my SCAR-L I traded only shoot 320 yet blows my 385 FPS Masada outta the water.
6. I like it, a simple airseal fix and its good as new (( heck might even employ Manchovie seeing as the majority of you guys recommend him, well that is If I can't fix it myself. ))

+1 a BIIG +1 from me

Alright i probably should have added a few things to the op but i thought it was long enough. When i called him back saying the gun isnt working, he literally knew exactly what was wrong without looking at, and then goes and tells me it isnt his fault and says the exact words "what am i supposed to do just give u all your money back?" What do u expect me to do act nice to him??
I acted completely reasonable with him not saying one bad thing or as you say "bitching" until i got no responses from my texts other than him giving us bad news about parts not working, or its not gonna be done, or shit like i should have to pay for nonworking parts. Seriously read my post again and tell if you think that is proper business? He gave it back not even working properly forget all the other shit. Again i didnt start this thread to argue with people just like him!!!
If u all wanna take shots at me cus i started calling names and didnt go about this situation properly ur all forgetting the fact that the last thing the guy says to me is "im lieing about the gun being broken, shouldnt have trusted your dipshit asses."
Its pretty pathetic all u guys can complain about is that im being disrespectful and to chill out when within the first 10 replies half of them are his friends who dont like to read, and the other half are to busy wiping their tears from my so called bitching towards someone they dont even know. Not to mention those who feel the need to complain about spelling.

Of all the gun docs I have met with on asc, they have all been a pleasure to deal with.

On the other hand this thread is a classic way to meet asc's awesome moderators

/voteban

Dude did you or did you not test the gun when you get it back from him? did it work or not? did you know that even the best AEG parts will fail after a few shots? you stated that you discover the gun failed to work after you receive it from him and after you dry fired it to make sure it work, now if the gun fail right there and then I'm sure he'll fixed it on the spot how do we know you didin't screw around with it afterwards. Stupid shit happen before I've seen nubs put in a 20c lipo on a stock AEG commenting WOW what a great rate of fire I have, only to whine and bitch five minutes later when they stripped the shit out of the gears OR Customers of Frank at Toronto Airsoft returning gun claiming they were given a lemon when the switch inside are burnt to shit because they decide to pull the trigger for 10 minutes using lipo dry firing. Get my point?

Ugh, yeah we don't agree because we don't listen. We are all his friends that keep defending him even the ones that say that they have never met him. We only read the first line of your post that's why we did see the secret point that proves your not a massive tool at the last line of your post. Everyone that doesn't agree with you is totally wrong and just jealous of your magpuls

Amazing.. while i don't know Manchovie from Adam, i could certainly understand his frustration to throw 1/2 your money back at you just to be rid of you.. i'm surprised that he didn't throw anything else, frankly. I'm getting that from YOUR post bdot, not from his input on this.

If you started harassing me via texts and what-not, like it sounds like you did, i think i likely would have shipped you back your guns free of charge way before any 'deadline'.. in their component pieces, packaged neatly in plastic baggies, for you to deal with it.

Your posts give me a headache to interpret, but if i understand correctly.. he gave you back a gun, on the deadline date, and it was working in his residence when you test-fired it.. it only broke when you decided to fire it (!!) in your car?

If the above is correct, then all he owed you was a "too bad, so sad". Parts unrelated to repaired/worked on components can break out of the blue.

Like you, i consider this a 'hobby'. I've only been into it since mid-summer of 2010. I could afford very easily to go to a gun-doc if i so choose to do so. I don't.. i roll up my sleeves, and i learn. I've got 2 AEG's that i've pulled apart numerous times in their short lifespan in my grubby mitts. I've broken a few pieces, and i've learned not to break pieces as a consequence. I've certainly not spent $140.00 on replacement parts, as part of that learning process.

I think that you are going to need to learn how to work on your own l33t magpul crap, just like i've learned to work on my own pedestrian, humble AEG's.. no gun doc is going to touch you with a 10 foot pole from here on out.

also just to clarify things AGAIN he knew exactly what was wrong with the gun before we left. We asked him face to face, before we left, at his front door, at his house, why is there something rattling in the handle of the gun? He tells us in these same words "how the fuck should i know whats rattling in your gun it works perfectly fine!" What thats not disrespectable enough for some of you? Or how about after the fact when i get home, try it out and realize it doesnt shoot? Or how about when i call him back and calmly and respectfully tell him whats wrong and he somehow knows exactly whats wrong with it and seems to not give a shit about doing anything about it?

I am a very good liar.

I never change/edit/alter my story after giving it. You sir are doing the opposite in a last ditch attempt to salvange some pride and dignity. Sadly I gave that method up as a kid. It doesn't work just makes you look bad.

Anyone trust me yet? You don't? Good, you'll live longer.

Moral here? Don't change your story. Don't add to after the fact to play yourself as a victim. Breeds questionable doubt.

This right here your story falls apart. You say you asked him. He told you.

Requesting Bravo Alpha November on coordinates 48739er.

I'm not sure what you expect from us. I feel I've been more than reasonable with you, to the point where it looks like I'm being absurd. Clearly you don't care for the members within this community, our methods, our beliefs, or our attitudes. It's fine if you don't share them. All the more power to you. So you warned us, and we didn't want to listen. That's fine. We're not forcing you to stick around with us. You can leave.

You walk into a man's home, insult his friends, shit on his couch, then insult the people trying to get you out of trouble? What did you expect, a reception with cake? If you don't want us picking on your spelling, that's fine. Don't type back. It's okay. You can walk away. We're all idiots, after all. Why lower yourself to our level?

Copy, Bravo Alpha November on coordinates 48739er INBOUND!

1st post
Now
(see I did read it all)

I LOVE how you keep saying that we didn't read all of your posts and yet you just contradicted yourself. In your first post you said that you freaked out on him until he hung up, now you say that you calmly called him back when your gun broke and respectfully tell him what's wrong

To whom it may concerns,

Is it possible on ASC forum to have a normal and polite conversation?
Bdot is overreacting, fine! He called us cunts..... Ok!
Because of his poor way of communication, are we forced to act like him, act as a fool?
Stop making judgments, use intelligence, arguments so it can be constructive, show how ASC is mature and give an example to all noob. Some of you already act like real gentleman and it gives me hope; maybe, some days, there will be no "insults machine"!


Now,

To Bdot:

It would be important for you to know the basics of an agreement with a seller; establish a time frame, an approximation of costs, assessment of the work, good communication with the seller, be polite, act like a gentleman and finally respect!

It is possible that there are errors even if Manchovie did some (Personally, I don't know him and I'm not here to judge him), he would not be the only one to blame if you know what I mean (if you don't, you can read again: "respect").

There is always a good way to deal with any kind of issues.

Again going back to my "A good liar never changes his story" point. This reeks of BS and him trying to salvage some pride by changing his story to make him appear the victim when all it ever does if make you look like an idiot. I remember pulling the same shit on principals in elementary school.

alright for the last fucking time this is for hackD, white-knight, and all the others who are still making up stupid shit. He only let us dry fire both guns inside his house. They seemed fine until he heard a rattling noise as soon as we got into the car. We got out of the car back into his house asked him wtf was going on and he said everything is fine. We drove back home put bbs in it and realized they wouldnt shoot. Called him back and he knows exactly whats wrong with it? He dry fired it FOR US cus we werent allowed to shoot inside his house cus he obviously knew something was broken. What the fuck do you people not understand? Ur complaining about my english and spelling when u cant even read properly. The 140$ was for his shitty ass service!!!! I had to pay him 500$ for everything if thats easier for u to understand HackD. And ya you dont work on magpul "crap", those are external parts idiot. Its a custom full metal TROY m7 built by a legit, respectful gundoc on here a few years back. Ya its a hobby, one that i dont have the time to learn how to fix every part of a gun. I like to shoot them not build them, wtf is a gun doc for then? I guess to some of you guys its a place to store your guns for a while until he finaly wants to work it and then charge u up the ass. 100/hr gtfo thats pretty sad if anyone would for shit like that, just clearly shows what i have to deal with.

Hurp durpa durp, durp derpa hurpa dur.

Derpa derp.

Thats about as much as I could get out of this thread.

Making shit up? I'm quoting your words contradicting yourself

Yeah uh, ok. I'm the idiot now, Bd(i)ot.

I can read perfectly fine.. it just appears that it is your particularly immature brand of engrish, that i am having some painful issues with.

So you paid $140.00 in labor, on $360.00 in parts.. big whoop. Suck it up Chuckles, and learn to turn a screw-driver yourself, to save some money and a gun-doc some grief.. like you have a choice on that now.


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i have read threw this entire thread, and there is one really important thing that a lot of people have missed.

holy Jesus titty fucking Christ, there is such a thing as bacon jam!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!

wildcard... pics or it didn't happen... this may have just made my day... no! my month.... no! MY LIFE!!!!!!!!

Can we get a BanHammer Drake?? Ive been waiting for 6 months for a gun Illusion has... do you see me bitching like a 12 year old girl on the forums? Again... Banhammer please...

+1, Wildcard, is it jam made with bacon, or just jam that tastes like bacon?

Jam made with maple cured double smoked bacon, foie gras and Niagara apples

wow just wow.

I had my m249 for services and I had to take a 4 hrs road trips to get a gun doc. Then had to wait for 4 months ish to get it back. He was busy with other guns and I understand him. Then took another 4 hrs trip to get it. Didn't cry or bitch about it.

Sooo much contradictions in this thread by bdot

and do you sell this stuff cuz i gotsta try it!!!!!! :O

.... im gunna be honest, i just felt a tingling sensation in my pants


fun fact: this jam convo is the most productive part of this thread.

side note here.

Avoid the bacon flavor salt. Did not like it that much.