the never ending quest for an airsoft hand grenade
 

http://www.21stcenturyairsoft.com/details/SAFETBANG i just came across this neat device and though that it may be perfect for airsoft. it is durrable, bright so its easy to find. and most of all its reuseable. with the 120 db bang it is not loud enough to do any serious dammage to ones ears. and we already wear eye pretection. im thinking even with the lack of schrapnal if you were to hear a loud bang close to you ud know u were hit.

Dunno if that would make it past customs, but it does look interesting.

i just e mailed the site owners and asked if they have had any problems shipping to canada ill post there responce asap

Hmm that does look interesting. I'd buy one if it makes it through customs

You won't be able to get the ammunition for it across the border unless it's an approved explosive. I've seen a similar device available from overseas that looks a little different and takes 12 gauge (diameter; certainly not standard length) and 9mm rimmed blank ammunition.

Remington makes .38 Special blank ammunition which is approved here, and there are many different types of rimfire blanks available from Home Depot for ramset systems and the like which could be adapted to a device like this. A simple insert of aluminum or brass in the shape of the intended blank, hollowed out to take either cartridge and offset appropriately for a rimfire, would likely be an easy solution.

It says its rated at 150db. Isnt that way beyond safe levels?

well if u figure that alot of ppl here shoot realy steel on a regular basis it wouldnt be much louder than firing a gun becide your ear. and in all fareness your exposed to louder noises than that on a regular basis throught the day

Too loud...if you shoot real steel...you wear hearing protection so that isn't really an accurate statement.

It's also too expensive...

Anyone with more than a double-digit IQ puts hearing protection on when they're shooting real guns. And no, the average person is not exposed to 150+ dB sounds on a daily basis.

In checking the manufacturer's website, I learned that the cartridges for this device also incorporate the delay element. That means adapting them to take different cartridges is out of the question because it would go off as soon as the spoon was released.

Assuming there's enough interest for a device like this, I can help get the cartridges approved for importation. Not an easy, cheap, or quick thing to do however.

I think stating a dB level independant of distance is meaningless since dB level drops by 6dB for each doubling of distance (assuming spherical dispersion).

150dB @ 100ft is entirely different from 150dB @ 3ft in terms of sound pressure.

90dB and above is harmful to a person's ear. This of course also still depends on your distance away from the location where the sound is coming from.

Distance shouldnt be a consideration as there is no way to control how close someone will be to the detonation. 3feet or 100feet.

Id be interested in using it, Im not really worried about the hearing loss issue. It doesnt affect you imidietly and in the past and in the future more of us will be exposed to loud noises of this DB anyways, more or less. Anyone who goes to a dance club probably will have more worse affects with hearing loss then what this thing will do to you at say around 5 feet.

In leu of the million posts on grenades and airsoft, I've engineered a solution.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/jonblack/ha2.jpg

:lol:

LoL

Considering the power source (blanks) it's not bloody likely to make it here.
Blanks are (duh) explosives. That would guarantee it could not be used in many places, if at all.
And to whoever said 150db does not matter, talk to me when you're over 30 and the results of the 'harmless noise' have taken some effect. I do shoot real guns, and I'll be damned if I want to submit myself to that level of noise without hearing protection; that's just retarded.

I'd love to see the end of grenade (accessories) discussions in the General part of the forum. We have an Accessories section for a reason.

I'm also a bit tired of seeing every possible hairebrained grenade idea being promoted.
There is no currently available cheap solution to the problem that is safe and legal. Cope with it.

If you're so tired why don't you stop typing all your complaints.

As for the discussion of grenades in the general section, i can imagine how troubling that must be for you. Posting in the wrong sections keeps me up at night as well.

Funny, I've NEVER worn ear protection while firing real steel. My hearing is perfectly fine. Those little grenade's would be damn fun to use.

I'd have to say my stereo in my bedroom will probaly damage my hearing a hell of a lot sooner then those things there would.

IF they can make it through custom's, I'd more then likely be up for a group order.

In the ranges that I have been to, it is manditory to wear Eye AND Ear protection before shooting commences. Infact, ALL shooters have to step behind the firing line with weapons unloaded and open until everyone has the above two conditions satisfied... only then do people approach the benches to load their weapons and open fire.

But now that I think about it, BC_K is right. The Range officers and gun owners are all idiots, they don't need hearing protection, they'll be fine! :rolleyes:

BC_K, have you ever fired a full stripper clip of 8mm Mauser rounds through a Yugo Mauser? Or how about a full clip in an M44 Mosin? No? Hmmm....

;)

Some people choose not to wear hearing protections, personally I wear it, and I think it would be dumb not to wear it indoors especially do to echo's, plus there really is no reason not to, its not like your at war and fighting for your life, your just shooting paper targets.

No, I can't say I have fired those weapons. I mainly shoot smaller arms. Sigma's, 629's, Glock 17/21's & 96D's. Can't really say that I am a fan of larger arm's such as the M44. Tho the odd time I'll use the M305 or M311. (Gotta love Norinco *Sarcasm*)

Wouldn't mind getting on an MP5 some time, Gotta go down south some time soon. (Yay for yank relatives.)

Also, I choose not to wear hearing protection so I can hear eveything that is going on around me.

Ah yes, the very reason why nearly 90% of the people at ranges wear electronic ear protection that blocks out noise above a configurable DB level, while allowing the lower DB... such as important commands from the acting Range Officer :D

The other 10% wear the foam inserts or regular ear muffs.

You really don't go to a range much do you? You really don't even own those firearms you mentioned do you? Hell, I bet a friend let you pop off a couple rounds which obviously makes you an expert now :nod:
And yes, Norinco is the shit! :lol:

Sorry BC_K, feeling a bit shit-flingy today... slow Monday at work. I don't mean to offend you! Feel free to retaliate, I deserve it by now :)


Alright, Alright, Back on topic

Hahaha. No, I dont go the range that often.
No, The firearm's are not mine.
Yes, Friends, actually my cousins let me use them. Put a LOT of round's through them.
Me an expert? Hah, far from.

Hehe it's all good man. Gotta congrat you on the snappy remark. Very well done. Accurate as well. ;)

Alright back on topic. So is there anything like the first mentioned grenade available in Canada? I'm guessing no, but ya never know.

well i just got the e mail back from 21 centuary airsoft and at this time they cannot ship these devices to canada. so that puts an ebrupt end to our debate

For now anyways heh

These grenades from 21C are interesting but are ~ $10 each use, ~ $40 each for the first three.

There are some from the UK that use blanks .. look interesting. Think the best suggestion I have seen would be to get one of those and stick in a .22 adapter and use starter pistol rounds or the like.

Those top out at 110 decibles in an enclosed space at 3 feet, so that feels in the "safe zone" for use as an airsoft flashbang type device (which is what the 21C Safe T Bang devices are). Plus the rounds are fairly readinly available and legal.

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Well If its gonna be too loud and have a chance at damaging my hearing I would not play with something like that

Like its like running around with a fogg horn as a sec weapon sneaking up on someone and blowing out their ear drum

Ok, it's your hearing, you're the one who'll have to live with the consequences.

Look here at http://www.airsofthandgrenades.com/AHGenglish/index.htm
Some spanish guys developed a working airsofthandgrenade, the have two retailers in the USA.

We should have made some videos from the Foxden game last night. Quantis was tossing our gernades like mad. More explosions going off then airsoft guns being shot.

[QUOTE]Like its like running around with a fogg horn as a sec weapon sneaking up on someone and blowing out their ear drum

hey dont steal my tactics :)

We've all known about these nades for awhile

Hate to bring back a old thread but i have recently acquired a 7290T Series Training Flash Bang designed by Combined Tactical Systems. Now the one i have the cartridge is used, The site says it can be used over and over. What i am wondering is there any chance of finding the refill cartridge for it? I am sure that it used these - http://www.flashbang.com/reloads.htm i also got a few pics of the device:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...o/DSC01300.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...o/DSC01301.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...o/DSC01302.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...o/DSC01303.jpg

Just posting this because i heard a member had used a similar device at a Flag Radiers game, anyone know who this was?

The refill is most likely a Restricted Article, since all LE/military munitions are also as such. Nice find on the grenade but attempting to reactivate it would be a "Bad Thing", even with a training cartridge. Not only would the OPP develop an immediate interest in you, I doubt you'd find many airsofters willing to have that thrown at them.

Patience, people. I'm working on pyro-based frag grenades with three UK manufacturers and have been promised inert sample product from one. In fact, I'm gonna telephone him right now...

Good news. Looks like I ought to have some dummy sample grenades and pyrotechnics by the end of the week or so straight from the UK. When they get here, I'll post some pics.

Now that the fireworks season is pretty much done with until spring, I anticipate faster movement on this project. I know my boss is quite eager to get these to market, as am I! :)

Those arnt deactivated grenades, they are training grenades. We have something similar to train in the CF, the name slips my mind but they are also blue and a small flame shoots out the bottom.

I know exactly what they are, because I've spoken with Police Ordnance (Canadian CTS distributor) about their product line. Doesn't change the classification. A live training grenade is still illegal to possess unless you are LE/military.

Legal or not, I still wouldn't want anyone throwing a hunk of steel at me.

Theses are made to be trown in room underhand. They are a little too loud for gameplay, but I'd play with them with ear protection anytime.

NO SHIT, Sherlock! Do you think I'm a moron? You still have to throw them don't you? You throw them into an occupied room, right?

So you throw it just a bit too high, as the person inside peeks out low, and BAMMMM, right in the teeth. I tell you one thing, you'd be walking funny for awhile after that.

Throwing metal objects in people's direction is not a good idea, PERIOD. You avoid accidents that way. Next time you want to troll, PM me.

I think I'd kinda like a flashbang going off next to me, nothing screams realistic combat than bleeding eardrums and a baaaaad headache

I agree with DD.

grenade are EASY to make...couple of house hold chemicals and MINI water bottles...you got your self a nade or a smoke nade...well plus u add some bb in the bottle for the full effect...lol...for me i use a claymore instead of a nade...lol

Ya man! house hold grenades with bleach and amonia!! (insert sarcastic face here) Nothing screams realism like bleading lungs!

Damn man, Do you have an agressive disorder or what?
You respond to everyone in dissacord with you with shady threats.

You said you don't want to play with them, fine.
I said I'd play with them. Should be fine since we don't play at the same CQB event. AND, we don't have them to trow at each other at this time.

Dirty Deeds still has nightmares from the Warmonger grenades at Op: Quick Pass at Rawdon. I think that says enough. Airsoft 'shell shock' anyone?

;)

By quoting me the first time you were insinuating I didn't know how they were used. Did I threaten you? Did I threaten anyone? Piont out my shady threat. All I said was if I was hit with one the one who tossed it would be using it as a buttplug, and in no way was that aimed at you, it was a general statement.

If I was going to threaten YOU, I would threaten YOU, there would be no mistake.

LMFAO.........(with the utmost possible aggression)

Those things were fun too bad I didn't managed to get one nicely on video. You guys should sell some of those little babies. :grin:

I have the recipe for them. :-p

I'll share it with you on Saturday, just don't stare me in the eye, I may get agressive.

Either that or he'll suddenly get a wet spot on his pants. :oops:

Haha, that is if I want to make it happen but trust me, I don't want that at all.

Lol

Hmmmm.......time for one of those "Shady Threats"

(Insert Shady Threat Here)

BTW, sex can't be agressive? I'll be wearing my holster on Saturday :wink:

(Insert Shady Threat Here)

Ok, I threaten you with making you vote Liberal for the rest of your life and enjoy it.

I threaten you of not showing up on saturday and ruining all your fun.

I know where you live! Ohhhh Ohhhhh.......

Yeah.... thanks for the help with the flashbang. Getting a little bit off topic here.

Don't worry it'll come full-circle.

then go off topic again ....:O

WTF?!? why did you bump this tread???

Wow, if you threw that under someone while they were hiding in a corner... ouch!

You haven't added a single thing of value to any thread I've seen you post on yet, iarenick.

*adds something of value*

I have a new design that I am developing that has a very good out look. The price range will be between 20-30$ and are reusable. tell me what you think.

I think I need to see more than just the price. I'm still waiting to see what W.K.Shuridys brings to the table as well.

Ok I will advise of what I have so far. I have a devise that will fit inside of the replica lemon frag grenades that will not only make a loud bang but also fire 100+ bbs in 180 degree spray. This does not use any explosives ( absolutely none!) not even caps! It uses a BURST TUBE.tm which is filled with bbs pressurised with air and popped. It uses the full funtion of the grenade and is a direct replica. The velocity is enough to take out an eye within 5 feet ( so eye safty must be worn). THE GRENADE IS REUSABLE BY ADDING ANOTHER CHEAP (BURST TUBE.tm).

How much is the burst tube? would you have a working model? or is this just an idea?

I have a working prototype but I am waiting for grenade bodys to come from the states. The BURST TUBE.tm will only be like around 2 bucks and no more then $3. I am an avid airsoft player and I am designing these grenades to be fully usable and affordable for all airsoft players. I will also be selling kits so that one can make there own BURST TUBES.tm. I am starting a whole line of airsoft ordinance which I will sell and make. I am also trying to start up a company dedicated to just non-explosive airsoft explosives. The company will be called TOYBOX ORDINANCE.

Sounds cool. Just becareful ordering your grenade shells from the states, I could see that getting siezed really quickly. I look forward to seeing what happens with this though.

yeah... especially when they are being shipped to a co. called "yadayada ORDINANCE"

No they are being shipped to me. My company that I am going to set up will be called (TOYBOX !!!!!! as in a toy! ORDINANCE.

No grenade for you! next!

quote (grenade nazi)

Toybox or not, he has a point, if they see ordinance, they might not be too pleased.

[spelling nazi]

Ordinance is a law or statute. Ordnance (no i) is a weapon.

[/spelling nazi]

:D

I was making a reference to the soup nazi........ :| ......................... from seinfeld........ :| man tough crowd, quick someone throw a foot ball at my nuts so these people will laugh! :oops:

I spelt it that way onpurpose for that exact reason. But you get bonus points for seeing that. :tup:

Jackel dont make me send my door knob toting thugs after you. Im interested in the test run of these.

Hahahah..... nervous laugh.... But really you are one of the people that I would like to get feed back on the grenades from :-D

Wicked sounds good. If you need any help dreaming some parts up let me know its what i do.

Just use those lemon juice squeeze containers from the grocery store for now. About the same size as a real grenade, and they are cheap. Just figure out what to do with all the juice you'll be going through. I recommend buying multiple 6 packs of Grasshopper, a wheat ale by Big Rock brewing company in Alberta. That beer is awesome with a squeeze of lemon juice.

That is a good idea, but I am going for extreme realism.

Then use the lemon squeezers, then satisfy the "extreme realism" people with a giving free rock with each purchase. :tup:

lmao

And Stalker's right. You can't exactly get 100% realism, I mean, look at our ammo... Not the most realistic stuff ever. Hell our guns sound like angry sewing machines. Those lemon juice containers painted OD would be a great solution IMO if you could figure out some way to get them to blow without using explosives and all that jazz.

Though the 'mongers still have the best grenades I've seen for airsoft to-date, even if they are frowned upon by everyone else in the community :P

WE tend to get frowned upon by the rest of the community anyways, but hey, it's all fun & games until someone............. forgets his Bolle 800s. ;-)

Then it's a sport.

Waterballons filled with bb's :lol:

Do you guy's want a grenade that goes BANG!!! or one that heaves out an angry cloud of bb's? i mean obviously both would be great but.... ya big spray of bb's in a RE-USEABLE container or somthing that goes BANG??

Mine do both but they need the spoon and head/fuse asembly of the replica grenade bottles :D

How do yours work? I've got a reuseable prototype for an angry cloud in production but the f*cker's got so many damnable small parts to make it's not really reasonable for us to make it production like - hell it's not even finished yet but the theory is functional..... maybe we'll patent it and sell it to an airsoft manufacturer....

i know you explained it b4 - pm me the details if its not trade secret - if so that's ok - i'm not telling how mine work yet either

My prototype is 100% finished and working 100% of the time. So far I will have 4 of them made and will test them out on the next atlantic airsoft game :grin:

You will have to hook a brother up jackel. I have a few people i wanna toss one of those at :D

Well check out my Uber l33tness
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The ultimate airsoft hand grenade. lol.

thats pretty cool. Is it functional or is it for display?

thats pretty cool. Is it functional or is it for display?

Ummm, its a lime juice container....

My idea. Hehe

Ya, how does it work? Looks pretty cool.

You place it in your grenade pouch, and it makes the pouch look full. That's how it works....lol

Anyhow, I am definatly interested to know if it works as well and how.

Damn, why didn't I think of that!

What's next, toilet paper tube flash bangs? :lol: