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Long_Bong June 7th, 2011 10:38

Best motor for support AEG?
 
Hi,

I m running a ARES G36 (no blowback) at 400 fps with TB. 9.6v large battery on it.

I m looking at getting a motor that can shoot 15 BB per second for long long burst.

Anyone had good comments about specific motor / brand?

Thanks

THe_Silencer June 7th, 2011 10:41

G&P m160 or higher

Amos June 7th, 2011 12:18

Any of the G&P motors, M160 might be too strong though.

Take the motor to an RC car place and get them to lathe the comm so it's perfectly round and balance the motor, the motor will draw MUCH less from the batteries and preform much better.

ThunderCactus June 7th, 2011 13:19

I ran my 1500rpm, 360fps M249 off a G&P M140 with triple torque gears. Lasted a whole year.
Since you don't have an SW-COMP, it should last WAY longer for you. Active braking really kills motors.

Azathoth June 7th, 2011 13:21

Tienly F5000
Eagleforce Hummer 1300

Or you move up to a 10.8v NiXx Battery or LiFePo or LiPo using the same motor.

Hightimes June 7th, 2011 13:28

1. G&P M160 motor with 120 spring, 11.1 lipo 350 fps .25s 19 bbps. 9.6 nicad 14 bbps.
2. G&P M170 motor with 130 spring, 11.1 lipo 400 fps .25s 21 bbps, 9.6 nimh 15 bbps.

1. TM MP5 RAS with all internal upgrades
2. G&P MK18 with all internal upgrades. High torque gears ect.

THe_Silencer June 7th, 2011 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hightimes (Post 1479406)
1. G&P M160 motor with 120 spring, 11.1 lipo 350 fps .25s 19 bbps. 9.6 nicad 14 bbps.
2. G&P M170 motor with 130 spring, 11.1 lipo 400 fps .25s 21 bbps, 9.6 nimh 15 bbps.

1. TM MP5 RAS with all internal upgrades
2. G&P MK18 with all internal upgrades. High torque gears ect.

You should specifically state what C rating and brand of battery you're using. They''s a HUGE disparity in performance between different brand of 11.1v batteries. IE. Firefox lipos are shit.

P90 w/ G&P M160 motor @ 360 FPS .2s
1. GE Power 11.1v 1800mAh 16C: 38 bbps
2. G&P 9.6v mini 1600mAh: 17 bbps

-stock XYT sector+ spur gear
-G&G bevel gear
-element metal bushings
-TM piston
-Prometheus pistonhead, ARL, air nozzle
-Modify cylinderhead
-Systema Energy Type-0 cylinder

Basically, a 9.6 mini or a small 7.4v lipo will get you 15 bbps easily with one of the G&P high torque motors.

ThunderCactus June 8th, 2011 03:15

If you don't have the proper C rating for the setup your using, you shouldn't be using that battery anyway lol
I've seen 3 people now melt RC cars due to upgrading the motor and not upgrading their batteries :D
Haven't seen it happen in airsoft yet, but I'm keeping an eye out for those buffer tube bombs.

bluddpact June 30th, 2011 09:45

Hi guys, try to use high-speed gears (high speed ratio) on a 9.6v sub-C battery or a lipoly battery plus piston body with titanium teeth. I hope that helps.

ThunderCactus June 30th, 2011 23:53

You don't need full metal teeth to run 1500rpm

And 15BB/second is only 900rpm, that's a stock gun on a 9.6v mini lol

Azathoth July 1st, 2011 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1479862)
If you don't have the proper C rating for the setup your using, you shouldn't be using that battery anyway lol
I've seen 3 people now melt RC cars due to upgrading the motor and not upgrading their batteries :D
Haven't seen it happen in airsoft yet, but I'm keeping an eye out for those buffer tube bombs.

I have destroyed 3 buffer lipo's now. 2 hot power and 1 G&P, all started puffing in the buffer tube. The 11.1 hot power started smoking in my the tube.

Kos-Mos July 1st, 2011 19:44

I would got with a JG blue motor... they are hard to find but are REALLY nice.

If you use any motor with neodymium magnets (they are silver), a 7.2v large (4000mAh+) battery will give you that ROF and a lot of run time.

You can also go with a LiPo 7.4v around 3000mAh if you are using the forestock or a 5000mAh if you are using a battery pouch/KV stock

Lastly, you can get a SRC motor and have it rewound to 27T (stock marui EG1000 is 21T). More torque, more speed (because of the tighter coils) and near perfect balance if made properly and re-balanced after. Some hobbyshops will rewind motors.

ThunderCactus July 1st, 2011 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azathoth (Post 1493888)
I have destroyed 3 buffer lipo's now. 2 hot power and 1 G&P, all started puffing in the buffer tube. The 11.1 hot power started smoking in my the tube.

well after 3 failures, did you at least learn something? :D

THe_Silencer July 1st, 2011 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1493968)
well after 3 failures, did you at least learn something? :D

Stop buying buffertube lipos?

Death March July 2nd, 2011 02:05

Or have a low voltage cut off,Lipo's don't like being dicharged too low! I'v been running the Firefox ones in my PTW for a couple of years now.

AngelusNex July 2nd, 2011 07:53

Lipos are fine, The biggest problem with them is over charging or rather over frequently charging. You can go a few game on one charge with a good lipo but if you keep recharging them at half power then they start swelling, I learned this the hard way, I'm now 3 swollen batteries later and doing it right.

One big bit of advice, if you get a G&P motor, replace the pinion gear. They are the worst out there. I've seen so many strip/blow up after a very low round count that it makes me cry.

ThunderCactus July 2nd, 2011 20:30

Really??
I've been running G&P motors for a long time, put them into 1500rpm/380fps builds, and had an M120 go 3 years and over 200k rounds. I've never seen any issues with the pinion gears.
What gearset are you running?

THe_Silencer July 3rd, 2011 02:20

This G&P pinion gear issue baffles me as well. I run a G&P M160 in my 38+ RPS P90 setup and another M160 in my 32ish RPS VFC SR15. The p90's motor has been going strong for over 2 years now and neither have ever given me an issue. My friend's G&P M16 has chewed through THREE G&P M120 pinion gears! I don't know if it's because the material is weaker in the M120 pinion gears or if the shimming is bad or w/e but the disparity in durability iss shocking!

AngelusNex July 3rd, 2011 07:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by THe_Silencer (Post 1494277)
This G&P pinion gear issue baffles me as well. I run a G&P M160 in my 38+ RPS P90 setup and another M160 in my 32ish RPS VFC SR15. The p90's motor has been going strong for over 2 years now and neither have ever given me an issue. My friend's G&P M16 has chewed through THREE G&P M120 pinion gears! I don't know if it's because the material is weaker in the M120 pinion gears or if the shimming is bad or w/e but the disparity in durability iss shocking!

You know that actually might be it, I'm not sure about the motors that 2 of the guys I play with had strip on them at the last game (I do know they were G&P though) but the gun I put together for greenwolf had a M120 motor, it actually detonated (after maybe 100 bbs) and the shrapnel then destroyed the CA gears in it.

ThunderCactus July 3rd, 2011 15:31

Maybe it's an older version of the motor? I know G&P has atleast 2 versions, were they all white end bells or black?

And how was the motor height? I'll admit they're not HARD pinion gears, it's a soft material. But if you don't have the motor height set properly, I'm sure they could strip easily.


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