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First Line Kit Gallery - drop legs/rigger's belts, etc
Hey everyone i just want to see what people are running for there first line kit this is what i'm looking forward to seeing
Your first line kit are the bare essentials that will see you through to fight another day. This usually includes your pistol, magazines for rifle and pistol, E&E kit, some water and sustainment food, and the like. Smoke grenade, knife, multi-tool, signaling device and FAK are probably good ideas too. Your second line kit is the rig that brings the immediate noise. It will consist of everything you require to complete a task at hand (unless you require specialized equipment, like breaching tools) and execute the fight without being overly cumbersome. Usually this will consist of some sort of chest rig or vest, holding ammo and munitions, a high-powered communication device, and greater quantities of other sustainment items like food and water. A blow-out kit and other mission tools, like GPS and NOD, should also be on this line. Your third line will consist of everything not immediately necessary for your survival (mission notwithstanding). Think of it as your treasure trove to sustain an indefinite fight. This includes even more ammo, usually loose rounds and loaded magazines, overnight kit, extra clothing items, advanced medical support (if you have that role), water and purification items, other communication devices, and other interesting things you may require during your mission but don't expect to immediately use. thx Smurf |
Well well... this thread is missing some action. I'll start.
"Light" MSOB'09 firstline. http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2537/firstline.jpg Tactical Tailor Duty Belt* FSBEII Dive Belt Adapter FSBEII .45 mag pouches (x3) FSBEII dump pouch FSBEII E&R bag (used as IFAK; worn over belt) Pistol lanyard (I belive it's SDS - unsure) Blade-Tech 1911 holster Gerber pouch w/multitool *It's actually on its way. For the picture, I ductaped together two BDU belts for stiffness and made them go through ITW 2in buckles. Don't they say "adapt, improvise, overcome"? http://gearsoc.com/board/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Works good enough for now! I might add a Surefire V70 holster, when I find one in tan under 40 bucks... Comments, advice welcomed! |
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I see you mention a FAK on the first line and a blow out kit on the second line, what do you mean by each? FAK as in a boo boo kit like band aids and other basics and blow out kit for trauma? Generally depending on your set up the IFAK or blow out kit as you call it will either be on the first line belt or 2nd line plate carrier/chest rig or whatever. A basic first aid kit will be in the third line. And saying a NOD should be on the 2nd line? That's open to debate, some carry it on 2nd others on 3rd. Quote:
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@SMurf That first line does sound extremely heavy. It basically lists an entire Vietnam era infantrymens loadout as a first line kit. I was under the impression that first line is meant to be extremely light and only include things one would like to still have after removing amour/LBV.
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From my understanding the First line is there to allow an individual to fight his way back to his second line.. Vehicle .. etc...
My First Line - Corcan Duty Belt - 5.11 Double Pistol Magazine Pouch - 2 X HSGI TACO Single AR Magazine Pouch - Huang Dump Pouch.. Will be replace by a Maxpedition Rolly Polly Dump Pouch at some point - Blackhawk Serpa CQC Holster and Blackhawk Thigh Holster Panel - Unknown Pistol Lanyard (does the job though) |
Would better be called belt/dropleg kit thread. This is usually first line items, but not exclusively... IMHO that'd be better to reduce confusion.
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heres mine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...r/GEDC0697.jpg standard duty belt Huang kydex M4 mag pouch Huang dump pouch Huang USP serpa holster rubber training knife TAG double flashbang pouch Maxpedition 1qt canteen pouch w/ canteen |
Leading up to the last milsim I'd been playing around with running items on my belt, generally following the layout posted here already.
I ended up with a hodgepodge of stuff to see how it worked out. - blackhawk trainers/riggers belt...stiff on it's own, used as an inner - blackhawk suspenders - old duty belt (probably uncle mikes)...it has since lost a lot of its stiffness - 4 keepers + the suspender attachments to keep it attached to the riggers belt...worked so-so, but started to sag by the end of the day. - serpa + hicapa - multitool - rubber knife - eagle fold up dump pouch - some sort of large pouch (gas mask pouch I think) that held 5 M4 mags - jury rigged eagle drop leg dump pouch "box" (boxy pouch with flip lid) for misc items/NV/etc At times we doffed our chestrigs/packs when we didn't need them. But we had to gear up quick or react at any given moment to whatever came up. We were on comms throughout. - the rig was a bit heavy and thus became floppy after 20hrs - did not need so many mags on me...2 spares would have sufficied - should have had my radio on my first line since I was on comms for the duration - smaller/dedicated secure pouches would have been better than the one large general purpose box pouch - I ended up using the box pouch for a dump pouch..didn't need the box pouch AND the little dump pouch - would have liked to have had a water bottle pouch on it + it was nice to be able to doff 2nd/3rd line gear to cool down, take a load off + the large boxy GP pouch made it easy to quickly stash NV, radio, odds...but not all that securely + dirt cheap since it was cobbled together with leftovers/odds/ends I've taken a good look at some of the blast/battle belts. Main concern is overloading it and having it be really bulky with a 2nd line. I think I'm going to try a stiffer setup and pare down the number of mags I keep on it. Looking hard at the ATS warbelt and the CTOMS XP (CP?) belt system. Perhaps the EMDOMS system. Suspenders are a must for me though. ** Update ** Since that game I've been thinking of setting up a dedicated belt system and took the plunge on that. Blackhawk (Recon Commando something chest rig...like a RRV) L-to-R - top loading admin pouch (snack, pens, misc) - triple double blackhawk M4 panel - stacked tacos (2 AK mags) - stacked tacos (2 AK mags) - misc mini admin Blackwater Battle Belt w/ Blackhawk suspenders L-to-R * - I'd like to add a pouch/sheath here for a flashlight - single taco (M4 mag) - Phantom radio pouch - rubber knife - TAG roll up dump pouch - can't remember what make frag pouch...holds 1st aid/boo-boo kit - 1911 serpa + modded Hicapa 5.1 - Eagle double M4 pouch...just put it on trying something out, might not stay or may keep for smoke/frag - Phantom frag pouch - Leatherman wave...sort of tucked out of view http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...3/DSC00889.jpg I've got HSGI suspenders coming in...and I'll see if those work as well or better than the ones I'm using now. The belt is stable...just enough weight to keep it in place and to let you know it's there. Comfy enough and if I hike up the RRV a bit everything clears nicely...which was my main concern with setting up such a belt. The only downside is that the current suspenders are sized to go to a regular belt...and hiked up enough for the battle belt it puts the sliders right up at the shoulders, which I suspect will cause pressure points with rigs/packs/hydration on it. |
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This thread needed a desperate bump
My 1st line as it stands right now: - Corcan Duty belt - I am thinking about going to a HSGI Sure Grip Padded belt - but because I am 5'7 I may be to short to have this work well with a 2nd line - BHI Single Stack Kydex pistol mag pouches x 3 - HSGI Taco Rifle Mag Pouch x 2 - Phantom General Purpose Pouch - FAK - BHI Leg mount - BHI 1911 CQC holster - looking to change it to a level two retention with full cover |
Nathan that is your second line... your first line is the belt.
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i was gonna say looked like a chest rig.. yea najohn 1st line is belt kit
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My first line (generally what I carry to a CQB game Hat- to keep sun/light rain off head School bag ( I kid 5 Magazine side bag, Snacks, Oil bottle,speed loader,multi tool in side pouch) 2L Canteen Waist belt to keep the equipment for swinging around and to attach equipment too. Kneepads (optional) My second line ( What I carry for a Day skrim) Helmet Radio pouch First aid kit Chestrig or vest Equipment bag/gasmask bag (stores more food) Pistol holster with extra Mags (Optional) My 3rd line (MILSIM!) Rucksack (includes Raincoat,loose ammo, Shelter, Sleeping bag etc. Nightvision optics and Cleaning kit + spare batteries (optional) Extra gun (something small like my AKS-47u or Sten gun) Considering a hydration bladder for more water. |
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I meant to put "usually" in there.. but yea its usually stuff you have on your belt as that line, for the most part, is always on you and doesnt come off. but if thats all your run well then thats your first line I guess. edit: also says in the thread title - drop legs/rigger's belts etc .. so there you go. |
wow there are a lot of really good looking belt setups. I've started to put mine together with an H harness and a duty belt. i'm thinking of running 2 m4 mags and 2 pistol mags with my serpa holster. does anyone know of a good serpa holster for a sig p226 that will go on a belt?
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dont get the knock off ones man.. just fork up the extra 20 bucks and get a real one. The come with a paddle and a belt mount that is meant for duty belts. The real ones are wayyyy better than any knock off.
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Stay away from the Serpa
http://www.kyledefoor.com/2012/02/no...y-classes.html Get yourself some kydex: - http://gonetraining.blogspot.ca/ - http://jmcholsters.com/ - http://www.ravenconcealment.com/ |
never had an issue. I could shoot it off in my holster...i will live.
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ya i took a look at the other ones and for the price its not worth it for airsoft the serpa would do just find.
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It's not that it would discharge in your holster... The problems that people are having aside of the locking mech jamming .. Is that when they draw the weapon under stress their fingers end up right on the trigger and the weapon discharges then. I have been using one for three years now (airsoft only) and have never had this problem... But then again I wouldn't put any ofmy use in the stress category either that includes use at games.
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i know exactly when they tend to go off and that is what I am saying. even if it did in my holster, I am not going to die. used one for years for airsoft and never had an issue or the rush of stress like you say. I think they work great for airsoft.
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I've used one for years in AS as well...chest mounted, belt mounted, rig mounted, etc... I've never had it go off because of stuff in the holster, the mechanism, the gun, my finger, etc. And even if it did...nobody is going to bleed. Re. "practicing for real life"...I suppose so, but the vast majority of guys airsofting that's not applicable. Re. how much to put on your belt...if you're running a gas rifle, 2 rifle mags + 2 pistol mags tend to get pretty heavy. Getting them mounted so they don't stab you in the short ribs is key too. The serpa + molle adaptor is not bad...takes up a lot of molle columns though. If you're just running a duty belt then be sure to get a really good stiff one...and then simply use the "normal" belt loop adapator (vs. the paddle attachment). Once you have it on you're not going to want to thread it on/off... |
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I think they work great for real steel to, just need to properly train with them. |
exactly! :)
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Hey, what do you guys recommend for M4 mag pouches on your first lines?
I'm currently looking at picking up an ATS war belt, and running my SERPA, Med Kit, Dump Pouch, and two pouches to hold M4 Mags. I have looked at the BFG 10 Speed double mag pouch and the Fastmag but I'm not sure which is better, or if any other pouches would be a better option. I like the idea of the 10-speeds but I'm just worried I will lose a mag while running around/crawling. PTW mags aren't cheap, and I would rather not have to worry about them popping out :P |
Never had a problem with my serpa either. Much more secure as well with the auto lock. When you depress the release button your finger is automatically straight and off the trigger.
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the pros are that they are universal (unlike the fast mag), open top for fast mag swaps, rigid for faster and easier reloading, and offer great retention which is also adjustable. the cons are that they are a bit pricier compared to some, and that some times they can be an absolute bitch to install. overall i tried a few options but those are the ones i like the most and have worked the best. the problem i see with the BFG is that when you pull your mag, the space goes flat. so when you want to put that mag back after you have reloaded, you can't really put it back one handed. you have to reach across your chest rig / vest with one hand and hold it open with the other. and that gets annoying quick, especially if you have to do it while under fire or during a lull in play. hope you find the right ones for you. PS: still think you should have gone with the PIG for a plate carrier, its awesome. |
I just ran both Tacos and the Eagle FB MOLLE pouch today and have to say I prefer the Eagles much more. The opening on the Eagle pouch was rigid enough where I didn't have to look and ID the pouch before re-inserting the mag, whereas the Taco, I sort of had to angle the mag a certain way so that the opening would be more cooperative to re-inserting a mag.
The Eagle pouches are also far more quiet than the Tacos, but the only detractor from the Eagles is that they will only fit M4 mags, and pretty much nothing else. |
Ah, so I looked up the tacos and they look fairly good, as well as the eagle. Any experience with the ESSTAC M4 KYWI Wedge pouches?
Also, do you guys run Lanyards for your side arms? @White_knight, I went for the APC because of budget restraints. The PIG was just a bit too much for me to spend right before going back to school and a wedding. |
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Waiting patiently for SKD's July 4th sale. . . |
Haha same here
I wish they had the Triple Mag pouches in stock but unfortunately if they don't by tomorrow, its the ATS Triple for me :/ |
I've been running a battle belt fairly often recently. On my off-hand side I have 2 double Tacos (the ones with a pistol mag stacked on a rifle mag). I've got bunches of tacos on other rigs as well. Some observations...
- they've been fine on the belt...good height position, quick to get to, doesn't get cluttered with rig - rifle mag retention has been positive...even when hitting the dirt, crawling around etc... - I've dropped a pistol mag once...I run a TM 5.1 hicapa...and the mags will hold, but there's a lot of weight not held by the taco pistol pouch. Not so keen on it now. - two rifle mag tacos stacked on each other is ridiculous...sticks out a lot. As a one/first mag quick grab sort of thing, they're great. On most of my rigs I have 1-2 tacos and then regular double pouches. I'm debating swapping the rearmost double taco to be a plain double M4 pouch (I figure by the time you need a 3-4th mag the sound of a velcro flap won't mean much)....and I'll leave the forward one as a double for now (and just snug up the retention). If I drop another pistol mag I'll switch that double to a single rifle mag. |
I've come to like my Ghetto-fab (7.5/10 on the IKYT Scale) "H-ish" harness. I'll get to that in a sec.
I normally run a WE M4 with Co2 Cartridges and a TM 4.3 hicappa. I run a belt but I have a double stack of the triple open M4 pouches. I have them set up on my hip and I find that reloading from the hip is a lot more efficient and less cumbersome than on my chest rig. I end up feeding my belt from my rig most of the time. The M4 pouches are condor but they've been used for a couple years now and are fairly pliant but they hold the mags very well. A couple weeks ago I managed to trip while running, catch about 4 feet of air and then belly flop onto a concrete floor. None of the mags poped out, my TM 4.3 hicappa surprisingly did. I personally wouldn't worry about mags poping out. I'm using low end gear and it's still fine. On to my Belt! I'll post pics later to It's a 7 Year old black leather belt with two strands of OD shock cord for suspenders. From right to left Condor Tornado holster CF issue bayonette holder with Bokker Faribairn Training knife Radio pouch with a Puxing-888 and headset A pouch for Misc items, Boo-boo kit, cliff bar, Co2 caplets and screwdriver maybe a small bag of bastards and a speed loaderif allowable. Condor Double Pistol pouch Pantec Dump pouch Double stack M4 Pouch. I really only have a chest rig to haul mags or other kit on longer Sims. If an OP is set up I just dump my chest rig all together. The more and more I play the less and less kit I feel I need. I'm very Low-speed, High-drag even before I start to add kit. |
Bringing this thread back to life to ask a question.
I have a CPGEAR cobra riggers belt and run my holster,double mag pouch,dump pouch and multitool on it. What do you guys use to keep your pouches from slideing around? |
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3x HSGI pistol/rifle tacos FullClip Misc Pouch Blackhawk! G17 Serpa with MOLLE attachment Just replaced my Condor battlebelt with the HSGI. Wow, so nice! |
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Also a 2nd one. I have seen some guys using their belt to keep their pants up as first line. While others wear a belt on their pants and an 2nd belt for their first line. Is there any reason and what is the best way to carry a first line? |
I use my belt loops to keep my pouches seperated, not always the most ideal when working with some pairs of pants, but some pants made for mil or LEO use have many, many loops.
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Yay for Christmas :)
Got a new belt rig and I love it. http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps95b5cc4c.jpg - HSGI suregrip patted belt - HSGI cobra belt - HSGI pistol taco x3 - HSGI rifle taco x2 - Blackhawk SOLAG gloves w/ Nomex - Surefire E2D LED flashlight - Dump pouch - Yaesu VX-6R radio - Blackhawk Serpa Holster - TM 1911 (*- indicates replica) |
Gonna revive this thread from over two years ago lol.
My current belt rig for real steel shooting: Left to right: - HSGI Suregrip padded belt in coyote brown - Nice stiff duty belt I get free from work - really high quality - HSGI suspenders - HSGI tacos x3 in coyote brown - Maxpedition Rolly Polly dump pouch - Blue Force Gear Helium Whisper gp pouch in coyote brown - HSGI Bleeder Blowout kit - has 6" Israeli bandage, gauze rolls x2 and latex gloves and shears - Not sure what brand double AR mag pouches - TT strobe pouch - I have an MS2000 Strobe, but that stays in my hiking pack, this mainly holds my tourniquet. http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...A1E46C4A04.jpg |
BallCancer is it just me or are your three tacos different colors?
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Hmmm yea it looks that way eh.. They aren't, but there is a little bit of dusted spray paint on them. Camera flash on my iphone doesn't help.
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Ok, cool, setup looks cool. I was wondering because I am thinking of getting sone tacos to go along with my cadpat arid vest and trying to picture it.
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Yea I know they are coyote brown and it goes well with any desert camy. I use this setup for real steal though when I'm at the range doing courses of fire.
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http://i.imgur.com/F35T9YB.jpg HSGI Suregrip, Medium in OD/Green HSGI Tacos HSGI Pistol Mag Flyye Dump Pouch (Ranger Green) Flyye Utility Pouch BlackHawk! Strike + Blackhawk! Size 13 (G20) Serpa for my WE G17 Flyye Frag Grenade Pouch w/ Madbull Gas Dummy Grenade Flyye Duty Belt 2.5" HSGI OD is almost identical to Flyye Ranger Green Want to replace the inner belt with a CPGear Riggers Belt. |
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I might not use the backpack for some games. Especially if it is more of a skirmish. The Rig: Eagle Industries Operators Belt (Khaki) Chinese Type 56 Sling Suspenders Tru-Spec Triple Mag Pouch (OD Green, Holds Six) ESS Lens Case Maxpedition Utility Pouch (In Foliage Green with S.T.A.L.K.E.R patch) Leatherman Molle Pouch KeyBak Lanyard (For Pistol) Condor MA-10 Universal Pistol Holster (OD Green) Tasmanian Tiger Universal Double Mag Pouch (Khaki) |
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Really happy with this as a stand-alone setup for CQB-type stuff where I don't need to carry a lot. |
THE BUDGET BELT
-Condor Universal Pistol Belt (bought this for $20 as a supplement until I could buy a better one;this was 2 years ago) -Condor Roll-up Utility/Dump Pouch -Tactical Tailor Duty Belt Pad -Blackhawk 2x Double-Stack Pistol Mag Slots -Custom Made Kydex Holster w/ duty belt loops http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/...psefbnqznn.jpg http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/...psump5wlyq.jpg |
Benefits of knowing how to sew...
You can make your own kit! http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/r...psf0lbuq2h.jpg |
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What kind of machine do you use? I busted my old machine trying to sew multiple layers of webbing. |
I have a janome machine... it's slightly over entry level I think. It can punch through 3-4 layers of webbing but you have to go pretty slow. The issue with my machine is not so much the strength of the motor, it's the timing of the machine and the foot clearance. I physically can't get more than 4 layers of webbing under the foot. Also with faster speeds the needle will be pulled out of alignment because it's still in the fabric when the feed dogs start moving and the needle will likely hit the needle plate.
It will do 4 layers of 1000d cordura easily. Will max out at 2 layers plus 2 layers of webbing. |
Hey guys, dragging up this old thread again - it seems like the gold standard for belts is the HSGI Suregrip. I saw there is a Suregrip Slim - does anyone have experience with this? Is there a manoeuvrability or comfort advantage over the standard Suregrip? I'm using a repro tac vest from UTG now (originally a Halloween costume piece) but when that breaks I will probably go to a belt only setup. I have a 1.5" nylon belt I picked up at my local surplus store too. Can that be used inside a padded belt, or even on its own to mount pouches?
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As for your nylon belt, it depends on what type it is. A rigger's belt might or might not be stiff enough to mount things to, whereas if you have a duty belt, it's designed to be load bearing (this is what police use). And yes, typically you'd be running a rigger's belt inside of a outer load bearing belt. |
Oh god I just looked up the Ronin belts. Those look so great. It seems the Ronins don't need a rigger + padded belt so the cost doesn't seem out of line with HSGI Suregrip.
What are these cheaper alternatives you speak of though? I understand the 'you get what you pay for' concept so I'm not expecting a condor-priced belt to perform or last like HSGI or Ronin but I'm new and would like to know what the spectrum between the extremes looks like. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
If you look up about 6 posts, hot shot under fire makes some locally at a pretty fair cost.
UR-Tactical has some that aren't exactly the same, but much less expensive. Personally, I didn't like UR-Tactical's design decisions for their belt (the velcro was the wrong way round and they used laser cut webbing instead of regular webbing for the PALS), so I went for a custom UK-made belt by FRV Tailoring. It's not as stiff or as clean as the Ronin, but is well made and works quite well at a very good price. |
Thanks - Hot-shot-Under-Fire's BAT belt looks great and I've sent him a PM.
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lets bring this back from the dead
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First Line Kit Gallery - drop legs/rigger's belts, etc
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My belt setup supporting my G36C and TM Hi-Capa: - Velocity Systems Gen 1 Operator Utility belt, with DIY adhesive Velcro on back (not shown) - HSGI Rigger’s belt - 5.11 double pistol pouch - HSGI Single Taco - Tasmanian Tiger dump pouch - Condor Utility Pouch. Bit of camo wrap on the zipper pull to muffle it - Blackhawk Serpa on mid ride belt mount - Carabiner and grimlock for miscellaneous items (not mounted in this pic) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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got one of his padded slings too which I love. |
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