KJW M1911 vs TM M1911
 

Hey guys, first off I'm not from Canada but after lurking for a bit now I've found this website to be very informative :D

What I would like to know is if the price difference between these two pistols is worth it. Seeing as how KJW M1911s are totally TM compatible (. . .right?), if something broke it would most likely be cheaper to fix than buying the TM.

I would be using this 100% stock (unless of course it breaks) in a CQB arena at engagement distances of up to 75 feet but mostly in the >35 feet range.

So really the only question I have is: is the TM worth the extra $$ or would the KJW easily fare in my previously stated criteria (max engagement distance of 75 feet in a 60~ degrees F room)

Also, what parts on a gas gun break first/most often, even with basic maintenance?

Honestly, get the TM one. I have a TM one and i love it. I have had it for 4 years and i have never had a problem with it. I use mine indoors at our local CQB field with no issues. Their is also a very informative and helpful thread on the TM M1911 by IllusionKinetics.

The thing ive noticed about KJW guns is they have issue's with the mags not holding enough gas. Ive seen more parts available for a TM 1911 then i have a KJW.

Go with the KJ if you're not going to do any upgrades. It's cheaper, it's already metal, and it's TM compatible. If you break it, you can fix it with parts made for the TM.

Plus you can use CO2 mags in it, which is fun.

*note: I highly recommend CO2 mags, as the single stack mags do not hold enough gas.

Thanks guys for the timely replies :)

I'm not too worried about the mags, as long as the hold close to enough gas for the 26~ shots, I'll be happy. I don't exactly have high expectations :p. And aren't KJWs completely compatible, meaning the parts available for the TM will work for the KJW as well?

The M1911 I'm gunning for is: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=3789. It looks as if it has a hi-capa mag but it's an M1911. I'm not entirely sure, lol. Either way, I'll be using the propane mag only.

It probably won't get close to the full 26 shots, unless it's a hot day and you space out your shots.

Without letting my mag warm up after filling it and just shooting, I could get about seven shots per mag full of gas.

That's why I got CO2 mags, which provide about 70 shots worth of gas. It's also a lot louder and it has a faster recoil.

I would go for the CO2, but doesn't CO2 degrade GBBs faster than green gas? And I'm not too worried about the propane mag. There's a lot of downtime between each game at my field, I'll just throw the mag in my pocket, hehe.

That's a Para P14 style 1911capa (what I call it). It uses a 1911 slide and frame, but the magwell is enlarged to use Hicapa mags.

I've had 2 TM 1911's now and they are fantastic guns.

That being said I will never buy a KJ again, the TM is just so much nicer fit and finish wise and skirm wise.

What about the KSC/ KWA 1911. They srem to be pretty good from whay Ive read.

Tried my KJW 1911 today in my garage since it was a decent day temperature wise. Filling the mag for 6 seconds, I managed to get 22 shots fired before I ran out of gas. I'm guessing on the last shot the slide did not go all the way back because it failed to lock back.

No big deal atm, this is my 1st pistol...so I'll just load 15-20 bbs so I know I have enough.

well anyway if you are as hardcore as me...you will realcap it so you will have enough propane to shoot your 7 rounds :D

Oh I see, yeh it didn't seem like it fit into either category, however does having a hybrid M1911 like this make parts harder to replace with TM compat parts?

I'm not much of an externals guy haha, but how is it better skirm wise?

I considered them, but at that price point i could bump up a little more for a TM.

Yeh, I'm not too worried about being able to fire the whole mag. I figured if it fires at least a single stack amount, than I have nothing to complain about.

Lol, I wish I was this hardcore. The least I'm willing to go would be 14 :p

Anyway, thanks for everybody's help so far. Still pretty indecisive, would like more opinions :D

I own 2 Kjw 1911 hicaps with propane and co2 mags ive yet to have a problem with them great pistols for the money

KWA System7 is great, but... if you can get a TM do it.

Would the co2 not be too hard on the pistol? Would this also not prematurely break or wear out the pistol?

I am picking up a full metal kjw 1911 this week.

No, same parts.

They're designed to take CO2. But yes CO2 is harder on a pistol.

It's made to use CO2, so, it should be ok. I didn't notice any abnormal wear on the internals, nor did I have any other issues using CO2. Very consistent shooting.

You'll know it is worth it when you take the first shot. The only time I would NOT recommend CO2 mags for the KJ M1911 is if you are concerned about the magazine extending from the magwell. From a realism perspective, though, I find that the increased recoil and sound more than make up for the extended base.

I originally bought 3 propane mags, sold them within a week and bought 2 CO2 ones instead.

I know this is 5 years old but im curious about the comatibility of tm & KJW....i have just ordered (used) kjw 1911 with 5 tm mags and 4 kjw mags....am i reading here that the KJW mags need to be filled with gas every time they unload their rounds? but the tm mags might fire more rounds off one fill of gas?

for pistols i only own 2x KWC desert eagles and they piss me off when the slide doesnt lock or when it sticks halfway, unloading the gas chamber...any way to trouble shoot that slide issue? cause aside from that they work well for kwc

I would go for the KJW 1911 over the TM. KJW works well in its stock form, I've owned several KJW pistols and they run well and are solid. I would go TM if you want to build a gun and make it to your own as they have the largest amount of aftermarket parts.

Note Getting a TM here (In Canada) is Usually more expensive than a KJW

I personally Run a KJW 1911A1 with C02 Mags and it runs perfectly fine. Kicks hard and loud and in smaller CQB fields scares the shit out of some newer players hehe.

Always refill your mags every time.
Just because you can get 70 shots out per fill doesnt mean you'll always get 70 shots per fill. Sometimes, if its cold, you'll get 6.

awesome thanks for the input
ok i kinda want to try both...so i think ill get a tm hi capa 5.1 (new) to mod out over the years, along with the used kjw 1911 kit i found here http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...light=1911+kit

btw, im looking to mod the 5.1 for performance & range of accuracy...not so much looks....i dont really care so much for lasers or lights (i got great vision, just need it to shoot well), ideally want it to out fire most aegs if im really going to put money into it after guying new stock...lots of info round here on 5.1 mods for me to dig throu tho

You don't have much to do on the hi-capa really. A better hop-up rubber or r-hop would do it. Buying a high quality barrel would help a bit, but the ratio of extra accuracy VS price is not that great. If you absolutely want the best accuracy possible and money is no problem, grab a laylax/nineball or pdi stainless steel barrel and you are good to go. A 6.01 or 6.03 barrel will also increase power a bit, which can add to your range if you have a great hop-up setup. There really is not that much that need to be done on a TM hi-capa.

Over time, the only other problem you might encounter when shooting long range is a bit of side spin, so you can bend the hop-up arm a bit, and if it still gives you trouble, you can get a stainless steel hop-up arm. If you have trouble lifting heavy BBs with a non-rhop setup, you can get the maple leaf ?-key (letters change from gun model, maker, etc, they have many keys) and it will help push harder on the BB to give it more hop, or you can just fashion one yourself.

That's all the basics required to get it to fire really far for a pistol. Then, a stronger hammer spring might help on colder days, but it reduces gas efficiency. Some people swear by high-flow valve on their mags, while they do increase power some, they further reduce gas efficiency. It's up to you to decide if its worth the trade-off.

Is that enough to out-fire AEGs? For stock guns, yes, but its never going to stand up to high end, well tweaked full auto rifle.

Thats nice to hear about stock hi capas...what should i hope for a max accurate range from the unused stock 5.1? i usually use .25/.28s...

I had two that could fling 0.30gs BBs a bit past 200 feet. On a low wind day I could hit a person standing still at 200 feet maybe 60-70% of the time when I would take my time to aim correctly. This of course would not translate to in-game performance when people are actually shooting back at you. Also, at roughly 310 fps (on 0.20g, not sure of the power with 0.30g, probably 10-15% higher) they took their sweet time to get there, so they would be easy to dodge if one saw them coming.

A stock marui M&P does just over 200ft with .25s and .30s
Beyond that you really just need more muzzle energy.

Also a side note you can get OEM replacement parts for ANY KJW GUN direct from KJW. Everything from Slides,Springs,Internals ETC (Keep in mind Local laws and customs) I'm not sure how easy or hard it is to get OEM parts for a TM.

Why would you want to replace KJW parts with OEM? Or TM with OEM? Some parts are just bad like some of KJW's stock loading nozzles.
There are better/stronger parts in the aftermarket for 1911's and Hicapas.

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