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MilanWG March 9th, 2011 16:23

Misconceiving ASC & EBay sellers
 
I recently have had enough of this BS.

First I bought some items from an ASC seller on the classifieds who did not fully disclose the wear, condition and brand of the items he sold me.
The items turned out to be well used/worn and covered up with black spray paint in an attempt to hid their true condition.

The ASC seller only answered their PMs before and during the sale - not after I had the items in my hand and had to figure out I had been hoozed.

And second, today I got some HeyFuckFace patches I ordered on Ebay which turn out to be nothing like what the seller advertised the ads pictures.
The patches are replicas which are the wrong size and shape with bad stitching and type. I ordered a black/white version and a multicam version - the multicam version was simply straight green.

What the fuck is going on!? I have had it with misconceiving sellers.

When I sell something, be it on ASC or any other online forum, I make it my priority to take good pictures from different angles and to fully disclose the condition and quality of each item I sell.

I don't like to leave negative feedback with people because they tend to just deny it and leave you negative feedback aswell.

I feel like I can't trust any seller now...

Cheesevillage March 9th, 2011 16:27

Man up and leave negative. 'Course, this coming from a guy who has only had good transactions on ASC.

Spawn28 March 9th, 2011 16:29

Name of ASC member that Hoozed ya?

MilanWG March 9th, 2011 16:30

I don't want to name names - that's not my style.

But he knows who he is. If I leave negative feedback watch it come right back at me...

Spawn28 March 9th, 2011 16:35

As far as i know its is a bannable offence for a seller to give negative feedback as a retaliation.
And if this seller is really that bad i think we as a community should know who he is so we dont get hoozed in the same way you did. It might also make this guy/girl smarten the fuck up when selling items

FOX_111 March 9th, 2011 16:38

It's not taking part of a "style" when naming people that are scamming people. I see it as a favor for everyone else. And a slap to the guy that is not straight in his deals.

I would not tolerate this kind of conduct in a face to face deal, why would it be tolerable online?

Spawn28 March 9th, 2011 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111 (Post 1425161)
It's not taking part of a "style" when naming people that are scamming people. I see it as a favor for everyone else. And a slap to the guy that is not straight in his deals.

I would not tolerate this kind of conduct in a face to face deal, why would it be tolerable online?

My point Exactly

Off original topic but how come the word fuck i can see but if i type Pen-is minuse the "-" it shows up as ***** WTF? ASC Priorities.

MilanWG March 9th, 2011 16:40

I agree. I have sent the ASC user a PM asking for a refund.

If they don't want to respond/comply - I will leave negative feedback and contact an ASC admin with my complaint.

Cliffradical March 9th, 2011 16:40

I feel for you man, really.
I've been taken on rides before and it sucks, so don't think me insensitive but...

You bought used merchandise that you did not personally inspect before hand.

What did you expect?

MilanWG March 9th, 2011 16:41

How can I personally inspect it online?

I have bought a ton of items from ASC (I have been a member since 2003) and never had a problem like this before.

T_A_N_K March 9th, 2011 16:42

Milan, they brought it upon themselves. Would you not call out some who was not calling hits at a game? This is the same thing. Let your fellow members of a community you appreciate know who is an asshat and who is to avoid.

I've been burned twice on this forum, and I had no problem calling them out, I even pm'ed an Mod to ask for their AV status revoked.

Rugger_can March 9th, 2011 16:45

I remember when Fraudulent representation was a crime and not a business strategy.

Cliffradical March 9th, 2011 16:48

Again, I didn't want to play shit disturber, but I was brought up to understand that buying used was another form of gambling.

Buying used online just seems like busting high stakes to me unless you have a trusted referral of one type or another.

MilanWG March 9th, 2011 16:52

I have bought countless items here on ASC since 2003 and had zero problems.

In this case the items were not fully disclosed as to their condition/wear/make/brand.

I am in contact with the member and they are not fully owning up to their responsibility as a seller - they are offering a $10 refund on a $100 purchase.

I am very close to calling them out publicly and leaving negative feedback.

I know you guys are calling for this - but I am giving them a chance to make right first.

kalnaren March 9th, 2011 17:19

There's a reason I don't buy shit on ASC classifieds anymore unless it's from an actual, reputable retailer. I've been fucked on -I shit you not- the last 4 non-BNIB gun purchases I've done. The items ranged in crappiness from "not as described" to "this is technically fraud". I've only done one gear purchase (and it went fine), but the guns alone is enough to not make me do any more. Actually, I've only done 2 used gun purchases I was happy with -one of them was from a long time member and another was done in person, face-to-face.

I left negative feedback in every circumstance. When I complained to the person, I got either "Oh sorry I forgot about that detail", "It wasn't like that when I shipped it" or just plain ignored. The last gun I sold I also did face-to-face, to both protect myself and the buyer. A friend of mine sold a gun on here and had the seller send him no less than 30 PM's bitching about every little single thing they could find trying to get a partial refund, despite a completely accurate description with pictures in the FS add.

So, for me, face-to-face, BNIB, or reputable retailer. Otherwise, fuck the ASC classifieds.

I'm very much of the same attitude with ScamBay, er, EBay. If the seller has less than 100% positive feedback or less than a few thousand people giving feedback I don't even bother. Having said, following those rules the couple of scambay purchases I made over the last few years were fine.

/rant

Styrak March 9th, 2011 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 1425206)
There's a reason I don't buy shit on ASC classifieds anymore unless it's from an actual, reputable retailer.

<3 you too kalnaren :)

Armyissue March 9th, 2011 17:46

When you buy shit from an individual on the web you know you run the risk of dealing with a carpenter who thinks he knows how to bake.
or you run into a Jackass who's out to Fk you.
Deal with real-tailers and you get satisfaction and product you were expecting.


this is my Ebay Favorite..... I've never posted but

WW II "Potato Masher"
Still in working order, wooden handle, steel top.
Little rust full size was commonly used during WWII
this one shows a little rust but I haven't tried it.

$14.95

(no picture)




you think
http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetcoh...ickgrenade.jpg



I ship
http://potatomashers.net/wp-content/...5652199790.jpg


Go ahead and complain to Ebay about what you thought you were gonna get!

Rugger_can March 9th, 2011 17:47

Hey Taliban, that's a cool story and all bro. But using this thread as a means to coerce the offending party to comply with your demands is kinda unethical too.


Either piss or get off the pot mate.



I still feel for ya, I fucking hate getting shafted.

MilanWG March 9th, 2011 17:59

I just had to blow some steam - and it seems I am not the only one who has gotten burned. At least I don't feel alone anymore.

Danke March 9th, 2011 18:01

What's the eBay seller? I've been watching a bunch of patch auctions on there & if you've got someone to avoid pass it on.

m102404 March 9th, 2011 18:01

Did Jeroon f*ck you over on that potato masher thing too?!?!

I ordered some surplus camping stuff and the bastard sent me a stick grenade!

MilanWG March 9th, 2011 18:02

The Ebay patch link:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220745519255

The patches I received did not look anything like the picture.

Danke March 9th, 2011 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armyissue (Post 1425234)

I've got one of those! I never though it was worth $15.00, that is surprising.

Danke March 9th, 2011 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by TALIBANMILAN (Post 1425254)
The Ebay patch link:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220745519255

The patches I received did not look anything like the picture.

Some of the other patches look sketchy too. Copies from Asia for the same price as the originals I'd guess. Most people probably would just say cool and not pickup on the deficiencies when they received them.

Rugger_can March 9th, 2011 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by TALIBANMILAN (Post 1425254)
The Ebay patch link:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=220745519255

The patches I received did not look anything like the picture.

You know if you paid with paypal you can file a dispute in regards to the Ebay add.


It's usally very effective.


http://pages.ebay.ca/paypal/buyer/protection.html


remember you only have 45 days to file.

Kid March 9th, 2011 18:10

I hate buying used guns, unless they're "basically new". Every time I buy well used guns, there's issues that weren't mentioned. Sometimes they're small and easy to forgive, while other times they'll be huge, obvious, and expensive.

As for the potato masher... It's $15 and "still in working order" and the seller says "I haven't tried it", so he was clearly not referring to a real grenade. Sketchy maybe, but at $15, I fault the buyer for not clarifying on that one.

TaroBear March 9th, 2011 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugger_can (Post 1425258)
You know if you paid with paypal you can file a dispute in regards to the Ebay add.


It's usally very effective.


http://pages.ebay.ca/paypal/buyer/protection.html


remember you only have 45 days to file.

I've had Paypal drag their feet for two months, then tell me the supporting documentation was too old for them to use, and they dismissed my case over and over. I kept filing complaints, and it got to the point where they straight out told me they weren't going to respond to my complaints anymore.

Eeyore March 9th, 2011 18:24

I never use anything but a credit card for ebay. Credit card companies will go to rediculous lengths to collect money from another party if you refute a transaction.

Rugger_can March 9th, 2011 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaroBear (Post 1425272)
I've had Paypal drag their feet for two months, then tell me the supporting documentation was too old for them to use, and they dismissed my case over and over. I kept filing complaints, and it got to the point where they straight out told me they weren't going to respond to my complaints anymore.

It aint perfect but it's an option and he certainly won't be more unfucked if he doesn't try.

In counterpoint to you, I purchased a Video game cartridge off ebay a few years ago. When I received it I quickly identified it as a knockoff/copy and filed a complaint. It was resolved within a few days and I was reimbursed the full amount.

TaroBear March 9th, 2011 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugger_can (Post 1425278)
It aint perfect but it's an option and he certainly won't be more unfucked if he doesn't try.

In counterpoint to you, I purchased a Video game cartridge off ebay a few years ago. When I received it I quickly identified it as a knockoff/copy and filed a complaint. It was resolved within a few days and I was reimbursed the full amount.

Hmm. Same thing I purchased. I wish I had your luck.

BloodSport March 9th, 2011 18:28

I'm tired of people making threads bitching about a seller on ASC and then NOT TELLING US WHO IT IS!! IF YOU ARE PISSED ENOUGH TO MAKE THIS THREAD THEN LEAVE THE DAMN NEGATIVE RATING AND ADVISE US ADMINS. BECAUSE THESE THREADS ALWAYS LEAD TO THE SAME DAMN SHIT FEST.

Nuff said, thread locked.

ILLusion March 9th, 2011 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by TALIBANMILAN (Post 1425154)
I don't want to name names - that's not my style.

But he knows who he is. If I leave negative feedback watch it come right back at me...

If this happens, let me know and I will immediately revoke his age verification status and possibly issue him a ban as well. Leaving retaliatory feedback is frowned upon on ASC.


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