KWA KMP9 comments?
 

Hi Guys I just saw this item arriving in Canada in some of the retailers store recently.

Was wondering if anyone know how good this gun is? I might be considering getting one once things pick up again financially for me.

I saw some online reviews, but they are just your standard very shallow retailer reviews was wondering if anyone has one?


Thanks again. ;)

I have the KSC predecessor, and I have to say that this is the most satisfying non-rifle GBB out there. The noise, the satisfying thunk of the bolt, and the performance are all fantastic. I can't speak for the KWA, but the real trades on the KSC are awesome. Like all GBBs, stock up on your rubber parts though, I had a hell of a time sourcing a new nozzle (too much storage, not enough shooting made it dry out and crack :P). And yes the KSC can take propane. Personally, I'd like to see someone scan the parts manual of the KWA to see if they match up 100%, that way I'd have easy to source innards and full trades :D

KSC = KWA
so
KSC MP9 = KWA MP9

Except for maybe what the nozzle or bolt or whatever else is contructed of (stronger in Taiwan or KWA models for propane vs HFC134 in KSC models)

The "Predecessor" is the TMP.

The MP9 is the System7/NS2 improved version.

I'm planning on getting one soon :)

I messed around with one at Imperial Airsoft, put a big smile on my face. I recommend it for sure.

Abqsolutely love mine....so much so that I bought a second. Dual weild....mihahaha. I bought spare mags from asgi . There are some issues with it apparently, check the kwa forums. Something to do with the bolt catch shaving of metal from the bolt. I didn't read much into it yet as it just posted up last week.

I just got my KWA a few weeks ago, but haven't gamed it yet... just sat around caressing it... :confused:

Fired a couple mags, and almost experienced an erection...

Could anyone please scan their KWA manuals and send them to me? I'm not asking for a public version in violation of any copyright laws, bla bla bla, but I'd really like to see if there are any differences in parts and disassembly, and it pays to have a manual you can read :P I'd be willing to scan my Japanese KSC manual for trade.

There's a comparison of the KWA MP9 and the old KSC TMP (not the MP9) at Airsoft Retreat:

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/review...hp?product=412

Nice.. Thanks for the info guys looks like this one's a keeper. ;) I like GBB SMGs, I think I'll get one in the new year sometime

Found a PDF copy of the KWA KMP9 Manual for download. Posting it here if anyone's interested.

Sorry to bring this topic up again...

For those of you who have one - or to anyone who might know :

What if the gun breaks down? Is it pretty easy to fix? As in ordering replacement parts etc?...

I am considering using it as a primary, hence why I want to ask...

Also - anyone know any place that sells the long mags for this gun? I asked a bit but its hard to find.

hahah... its actually funny you ask... I was going to do a review about everything your asking on my youtube series in a few weeks (other guns to review first)

BUT, ill give you a little preview.... DONT BUY IT! plain and simple.... waaaay to many issues with it. Just check the KWA forums and that will answer you questions...

However, their customer service is excellent. I had to order a new cylender from them for this gun and they were extremely helpful.

I dont want to give all the review topics away.. i want to save something for the video review... just subscribe to my channel... wait a few weeks and make up your own opinion. But please i urge you to reconsider this as your primary. lol or.... you can buy mine :)

Kyle

I've read through the kwa forums and i'm not suffering any of the problems stone of the guys are listing. The bolt grinding issue has only happened with a small percentage of their mp9. I've only gone through about 3K rounds, so really long term reliability and durability is still up in the the air. The problem some of the guys on the forum had problems showing before they've reached 500 rounds.

well i really wanted to wait until my video review but here... i did a test of 3 mags.... you wouldnt beleive that ammount of scraping on the bolt only after 3 mags... its remarkable!... not to mention that after the 3 mag test, (in which durring the test there was significant feeding problems) major failure! If you can believe it the cylender shattered! Im still in awe over this event. Never really imagined that this could actually happen.

But like i said before, KWA's customer service is excellent. In order to make and order to canada you must contact them by phone as apparently their website doesnt allow for Canadian orders.

Kyle

Ah, sorry to hear that. I was so happy with mine I ordered a second.

Chances are the paint they use on the bolt isn't the highest grade..

it would probably be beneficial to remove the paint from the bolt and polish it.

The KSC mp9 taiwan version system 7 finally came out by the way... better trades than the KWA mp9 same internals

its not so much the paint that scraping but also gouges from the metal are quite evident too...

The gouges are on the bolt catch side right? If so they are from the bolt catch as it is stamped steel and has sharp edges. I ground the sharp edges off and that stopped happening .. I also have a cracked cylinder and have a replacement coming (thanks for your help george!) but fuck i can't for the life of me remove the roll pins and the regular pin at the back of the bolt to remove the gas chamber assembly ... Amos any tips? Another problem with the MP9's is that the part 153 is attached to a spring that is a tad to strong and prevents the bolt from completely returning to battery Which in turn doesn't allow the hammer to function. Simply stretching the spring will fix this.

Are you replacing the stock cylinder with a stock replacement or is something better available? Any upgrade parts that are recommended?

Sigh. This thread makes me sad about purchasing the KWA KMP9

unfortunately, there is not an upgraded cylinder. I spoke with the KWA guy on the phone and they only have the stock part. I had to pay $10 for the part and $17 for shipping with tracking number.

Funny thing is, is that he said they never heard of the cylinder breaking... but i know thats BS considering there are many reports of this failure....

ALSO, I am aware of what is cause the bolt scraping issue.. remember.. im the one who's doing the review on this gun :P I spent hours researching it.... I really with i did that BEFORE spending the money on this expensive paperweight lol

Like i said, the review will be done in a few weeks.. i have 2 guns schedualed ahead of this one

Kyle

Don't have one in hand yet... 7+ of them on the way so I'll get to know them VERY well soon :)

Hi Kyle what's ur name on YouTube?

Btw thanks for your info on this, i hope to see the reviews before making my decision for sure.

youtube name is 5252085... can also look for Canadian Airsoft Reviews.

I have a thread in the "Reviews" section on this site

Well regardless I didn't see It posted on here so I figure I would help out other owners with these problems... And thanks Amos..

I have both KWA MP9 versions and I have NOT experienced any failures or premature wear on either gun! Don't let other peoples failures dissuade you from purchasing one...they are pretty damn reliable out of the box, but that's just my two cents!

What's your problem...don't like getting smacked down unnecessarily? :p Thanks for your input Ballcancer...I'll hold till I hear more of your input and findings...

The gun is very reliable and a blast to use! There are a few small mods that make it run way better and I wouldn't dry fire to much as with all guns that's when the cylinder takes the most pounding because there is no buffer for the cylinder which the bb provides buy because of the stupid high rate of fire inwouldbt recommend dry firing it at all.

I'm just having a really hard time tearing down the bolt te pins are really in there... KEVORKIAN is absolutely right dont let these malfunctions dissuade it really is a very skirmishable gun out of the box!

How was the MP9 compare with the KWA M11 ingram as far as performance sound and rate of fire. Watching videos they seem similar. And both seem to have Canadian versions.

How does the Canada Mp9 look, i haven't found a site that shows it yet. the smoked grey looks fine on the M11

Correction: I guess i was mis-informed of a canadian version of mp9

Where have you seen a cansoft MP9?

there's no cansoft mp9

The mp9 hAs a way faster rate of fire and way Better cool down control.... The mags hold a tonne of gas and the gun is rock solid way better than the mac11 IMO

I have a kwa m11 as well and I'd have to day the kmp9 is waaaaay louder.

Would you say the kick back is the same or greater with the kmp9?

the kick on the mp9 is greater and louder than kwa m11 ns2.

Again, I can only speak from the KSC experience, but the MP9 is the loudest, meanest GBB SMG you can get. It's accurate, loud and kicks harder than any other GBB SMG I've held (except for full auto pistols).

Hey all, I have a question about the MP9: The rail on the side is wobbly, and I don't really know if there's a way to tighten it. There's no screws or anything holding it to the body. Is there a way or am I out of luck on it?

Thanks!

According to the manual there are 2 hex screws that you can adjust on the inside of the upper receiver. Just take it off and tighten them and you should be okay.

Thanks for the help. I'll give that a try!

Finalized the deal! My KWA is coming...yeah! Anyone determine the best source for extra mags? My mag order from eHobby just took 3 weeks so that's not really my first option. Any Canadian retailers that might have stock?

Fantastic gun. amazing rate of fire. build quality externally is spot on.
...internals... well lets just say i got a lemon?

One reason you may want to think twice about an MP9,

This is after 8 mags of regular use. nothing special. room temperature about 15-20 celcius. half way through the 9th mag, the gun stopped feeding and did not cycle properly. after proper take down, this is the horror!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_O3iRXIiiudg/TT...n%20nozzle.JPG

I question the durability of this part.. it is not very robust for a high-cycle gbb smg

Sorry for any broken pipe dreams...

I completely agree with you. I bought a broken m-11 from Amos that had broken in the exact same spot. The replacement part is pretty cheap, but it appears as if it's a common problem amongst their NS2 system.

So the loading nozzle broke?
That should be a pretty cheap part to replace.

Yeah but are upgraded or alternatively reinforced components available. This sounds like the RX7. The gas is good, check the oil... Sorry about the obscure car reference, best example I have.

But I get the impression that it will be cheap to replace multiple times. Which is still not as good as not breaking in the first place.

You could contact KWA USA directly?

This is true. However, replaceable parts that break are better than ones that are not replaceable.

I will contact them directly to get a replacement cylinder/nozzle.

It may be a replaceable part, but having to pay for replacement part after an unknown duration of normal use can be annoying.

If i replace it, who can tell me how long it will last after the replacement? would I have to do it again after a few mags of use or would it take 20 mags of use before it gives again?

Fortunately it happened in the comfort of my own home. It seems it would be inevitable for it to happen during a game.

Anyway... Just thought I'd share my MP9 story

Very hard to say mine went after i'd say 30 mags in plus a bit of plinking and dry firing which I know didn't help at all. mine wasnt as bad as yours. Instead mine had a 2.5 cm crack in along the bottom and im having a really hard time getting the pins out to take a better look. Replacement parts are on their way from KWA.

Again with the durability issue... This is a huge factor for me in making purchases.

Does anyone have a KSC TP9...? I heard it's more durable. Please verify....? Thanks :)

It's the same gun. The pre system 7 is a TMP with a rubber pad in it, and the system 7 is identical to the KWA. They usually shoot at Japanese velocities though, so less than 1 joule of energy.

Will there be a differentiation with a "Japan version" and a "Taiwan version" like there was with the MP7s? In that instance, there was a difference between the KWA product and the KSC product. And within the KSC product, there were the two versions which were also different (the Taiwan version shoots 400fps, and fully reinforced right out of the box.)

I see KSC Taiwan version and japan version as well, and am curious too. So if anyone has one please let us know ;)

The differences between Japanese and Taiwanese KSC models is pretty commonly known, and if they do stick to that pattern then people really shouldn't be too confused. Although I wasn't aware that the Taiwanese versions were better reinforced, I thought the only difference was the higher FPS.

I can't recall the specific details of each version, but I remember deciding to go with the KSC Taiwan version MP7 for a specific reason... I just can't remember what that reason was. :P I'd have to look it all up again.

But there were four distinctly different products that all came from the same root source:

KSC Japan Version
KSC Taiwan Version
KWA
Umarex (it was a rebranded KWA with no trademarks or something along those lines.)

Anyways, the "difference between MP7" threads can clear all this up, and if you're saying that's the trend we should look at, then we can use that historical data to decide which MP9 to get.

If you're talking about longer range historical data, then I wouldn't touch KWA with a 10 foot pole. I distinctly recall when they first purchased the rights to use KSC's design for their Glock 19 moulds, and out of the box, these G19's shot distinctly worse (flyers, crap groupings), had an extremely cheap feeling grip, had very loose build tolerances (rattled like a maraca), and there were a lot of lemons right out of the box. Granted, you got what you paid for... in Canada, I believe these were selling for as little as $200. This was back in the days of APEC and Tru-Mart. Sure, they came with a metal slide (KSC G19's came with plastic slides back then), but if you couldn't hit the side of a barn, then what was the point?

The Taiwan KSC MP7 had all the nice markings and was ready to run on green. The Japan version had the nice trades but needed a lot of "greenwashing" (ha ha that word is mine now) to run without breaking to bits on propane. The KWA had some of the HK markings but the mags weren't fully marked and some of the parts on the body had the 6mm Umarex and other not so pretty text.

For KWA as a company I've read the old reviews and definately been creeped out. But I have also talked to one of their honchos a few times by mail. I've talked to their help desk, and had them phone me when an order was ready to ship just to confrim details. I found they were very proffesional to deal with and responded quickly.

They were also clued in about what can and can not come into Canada. I had a DOA MP7, they said normally they would have taken it back in, even outside of it's warranty and worked it over but for Canada they don't like to do so because it won't get back across the border. Instead we trouble shot it over the help desk text and then they got me the new parts to bring it back into action.

I would do a couple things if I was in this situation right now. I'd sign up on their forums, and read through the posts that relate. Then I'd put in a help desk ticket to get hands on help.

I'll definitely give KWA a nod in their favor for their much improved customer service. Since KWAUSA purchased them a couple years back, they've made huge strides in getting communication and customer service standards up to North American par. This goes a long way in improving their products, particularly if they are open to user suggestion.

The only restriction that I can see with the KWA USA side of things, is the restrictive nature of US trademark/copyright laws. This is part of the reason why the markings on their guns will never be replicas of real steels, and some trademarks will have to be dropped. Some products will also drop as well (like their Glock series.)

They annouced that they've got the greenlight from Umarex to put Heckler & Koch trades back on pistols

It's a crying shame those HK trades are usually cartoonish NASCAR style ones instead fo the proper ones.