WE p90 GBB
 

yup that's right
YouTube - WE P90 透明版樣品槍

that looks waaay to sick might have to start saving up ;)

do want...lol only problem are the mags...:S

*long drawn out sigh*

damnit, time to start saving

FUCK YEA! Been Waiting on this for the last 6 months!

Im all over this like tits on a birthday cake!

I'm VERY interested in how they did this. Don't really want a gbb p90 though prefer aeg for that but from an engineering standpoint this thing has all my attention.

I'm still waiting for the MP5, and I hope they do an support weapon one day.

god dammit.... i want this soo bad.... also the MP5...

:o so clear mhmmm

It is a prototype, they do all their prototypes in clear plastic before moving on to other materials...

Anyone know what they are saying?

The recoil didn't impress me - maybe they were low on gas...

Still very cool :)

Just have a trap door in a solid stock and place the propane tank IN the gun!

Funny you mention that but I have a buddy with whom I am trying to built a saw mag that holds a tank and the ammo. The mag would hold 200 bbs not 2500 obviously, but with gbbrs realism is the whole point right.

Maybe, but I thought the real steel P90 has very little recoil?

I'm still wondering what happen to their Browning pistol...

It's in the same box the guy picked-up the P-90 from ;)

LOl good eye dude, I didn't notice that.

I have been waiting for the BHP for what seems like forever at this point.

great...after they make all of those sexy guns (M4, PDW, M14, G36) I guess they had to make an fugly one.......

Yeah, I heard about that gun for a while, good to see that it's in development !

Interesting to see how the mag leaked a little pish of gas when it was removed. It makes me think that they're not putting a fire valve in the mag which is struck with a firing pin with each shot like on most GBBRs. Instead it looks like a valve is opened with the mag is received and various seals have mated. Makes me think that they're not using a moving nozzle interface to the mag.

It might make it more important to keep the mag gas face sealing features clean (i.e. keep your mag tops clear of any dirt). On the upside, the design facilitates running an external gas rig because you don't have to mate through a removable mag.

and the fire control parts would go where?

seems like a fairly logical way of doing it for this type of gun.
im guessing that the outlet on the mag has a valve that only opens when it is mated with the receiver. it locks into a port along the right side of the P90 where it routs down to the side of the carrier. looks like that side gas rout has another valve that the hammer opens once it hits the valve knocker.
if they design it well, this could possibly be one of their most gas efficient design yet.

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well basically all they have to do is make a drum mag for their g36c, buy and extension for the front, and a bi pod and you've got a Mg36

That's not a real support weapon.

M249, M60, RPK and their respective variants, to name a few, ARE real support weapons. Dedicated support guns.

I was just trying to go for the stretch lol

SOMEONE HEARD MY PRAYERS...

but now I have a dilemma...G39C or this P90...looks like I'll be doing a sales thread.

Well....the G39C is more agressive, in a way, it has more recoil.

It's your call, but remember, the p90 feeds from higher capacity mags, would comsume more !

But still, it's still a good dilema !

Well I'm a full on WE-Tard so I expect Ill get one when it appears,

but I am really holding out for the MP5, which I expect to see released soon if WE follows their pattern of leaking prototype videos just before a new release of a different model. ( someone at WE is a savvy marketer )

Ahh finally released a teaser. So far it looks good. But the question for me though is, Do I need a P90 GBBR to go along with my Tm p90? hmmm only time will tell. Still looks interesting though!
cheers

Thanks tips...holy

I wish they actually have real spec magazine IE the circular part stick out the bottom.

Wonder if the ejection port is actually present at the bottom or is it completely closed circuit.

If you think about it, having both is a big bonus! Especially if you really enjoy the feel of that particular weapon. Then you would basically have your cold weather p90, and a warm weather p90.

Only downside that I find is, once you switch over to a GBBR, its very difficult to come back to an AEG. For me personally, airsoft guns just don't have very much appeal now, unless they go bang!

I'm hoping for a mk43 mod 0

That's true, but I don't foresee myself having issues with switching between the two considering I look at AEGs or GBBRs as tools of the trade. Either way I'll use them to get the job done plus having fun doing it. Does anyone know the Round count on the Gas mags by any chance?

+1 buddy, I was shocked and horrified to have a G36 confused with a support gun.

What do you mean, exactly?

awesome! I want one!

get in line.

Very interesting! I didn't think anyone would move on to make a P90 GBBR so soon. That recoil was disappointing as hell though...

that is why its a prototype, they will iron the kinks out, maybe you should email them your ideas to put in it...
dream has came true... and at the same time having a deja vu about a GBB p90

I'm not sure if any of you have seen a real P90 fired... those things don't have much of a kick to them either..

YouTube - P-90 Demo

YouTube - P90 One Hand Shooting

I've had the opportunity to shoot the FS2000 which is chambered for 556. 556 altogether is a low recoil controllable round, but on the FS2000 the recoil is really exceptionally controllable. I assume that total momentum transfer is the same (I still believe in conservation of momentum), but the felt recoil is significantly softer than shooting an AR chambered for the same round. It seems that the gun is very well sprung for the 556 so you get a more persistent push, with less crack when shooting. The compensator is very well tuned, which results in very little if any muzzle rise.

I also suspect that the low barrel axis of the P90 contributes in it's comparably low muzzle rise. If you look at an AR, the barrel axis is coaxial with the stock tube which is at the top of the shoulder pad, perhaps centred 1/5th from the top of the pad. On the P90, the barrel axis is about 1/3 from the top of the shoulder pad. The lower barrel axis on the P90 would reduce the torque applied while firing which would reduce muzzle climb.

If the shoulder was centred on the stock pad then the barrel axis would be about 1/6th above the shoulder centre on the P90 whereas on the M4 you'd be about 3/10ths from the barrel axis. If both rifles shot the same projectile at the same muzzle velocity, you'd see 1.8x more momentum related climb per shot if both rifles had the same height stock pad.

Now the tradeoff I see between arrangements (beyond mag location) is that it puts the sighting line higher from the barrel axis which means you have to expose more of your head when you shoot over barriers. You also get less stance between front and rear iron sights on the P90 because there isn't much barrel sticking forwards. The stance on a P90 iron sight is pretty short, not much longer than on a pistol. Still, they're well placed. I was easily plugging doubletaps at 100yd on a 1' steel plate. A bayonet might not work so well on a P90. All things being equal (we're both out of ammo) I'd rather charge with a bayonet on an M4 than on a P90 :)

wow,that nude dude is really erotic!~~

wtf?

lol. a little off topic huh.

Let's talk about this for a while

YouTube - Airsoft Evike.com- Sneak Preview of WE90 GBB

Translated version

want!

fucking AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

after this and the famas I dont want any other gbb :) (okay I might also get a mp5 if WE makes a descent one and a M14 EBR :p)


edit:
I just sent WE a message on youtube!
I suggest everybody that wants this to be released to do the same :)

Hope they have some sort of fire stop feature though as I don't think the P90 has a bolt catch (same issue i have with GBB ak and mp5, don't want to dry fire, kinda ruins the realism for me)

Now hopefully they make a GBBR AUG, love to see one of those.

I would love an AUG gbbr, I'd give my left nut for one!

I hope this means that we can use AEG magazines as well...
And what nude man?

Gas is stored in the mag, just like every other GBBR.
You won't be able to use AEG mags.

This is nice and all. But when they make a Thompson GBB or even a M1 Carbine GBB that shoots 6mm, I'm maxing out credit cards.

wouldn't that go against physic? (I think it's physic or is it logic?) because gas always goes up not down then the magazines will have more parts to push the gas this making the magazines rise in price
And my point being if that WE will make it as a seperate tank for gas cause in the video indicated that the tank is in the gun.

....then how would you load GBB mags in the first place? as long as there is a path for gas to escape, it can go out any which way.

propane is heavier than air.

Hence why when we fill the mags we are fill from top down

No.
Also, liquid propane.

From what I read, it's a two-stage system. The gas is held in the mag, but there's a smaller reservoir in the gun that's used to power the gun. Big tank feeds into little tank, little tank pushes BB/powers blowback. Hence the big gas discharge when they took out the mag - that was supposedly the reservoir in the gun being purged.

Plus it's pressurized. Propane doesn't care which direction it goes. Example, anyone who has has a gbb mag fill valve leak...holding the pistol upright didn't help keep the gas in!

That'd be awesome. (In Bear Grylls voice)

That's a fair amount of wasted gas then...

I think redzaku is pointing out that the P90 has an unusual magazine arrangement for a typical GBBR because the magazine is on top of the rec'r with the valving on the bottom side as opposed to the top. Furthermore, the magazine has a horizontal orientation which makes it difficult to plumb the magazine to prevent liquid from coming out of the mag because slanting the gun would slosh the liquid around so there wouldn't be a defined place to draw gas phase from.

It is likely that propellant is conducted into an expansion chamber to provide reliable gas phase supply to the pneumatics which is a good and bad thing. On the one hand you could see more efficient usage of propellant because aerosolized propellant would be giving a large space to properly evaporate. This would improve full auto and long burst performance. A well designed expansion chamber might even allow sideways or inverted operation of the rifle! On the downside, a check valve would be needed between the magazine valve and the expansion chamber or you'd be depressurizing a large volume with every mag change. A check valve would prevent the escape of the expansion chamber volume with each mag change, but it would present a new safety issue with GBBRs. We are not used to gas powered guns being able to fire with their pressure supply (i.e. mags) removed. With a check valved expansion chamber, the gun would retain enough gas to fire a few shots, potentially several if liquid phase gas ends up in the expansion chamber.

LOL

I just called Cybergun in France Its a neighbouring country of Belgium (where FN is made btw lol), so its not that costlly :)
Normally the lady spoke french (normally I should speak that language too, but since I am from the Dutch-speaking north I had no choise but to address the french woman in english)

So I informed her about the fact that Taiwanese company WE has made a gbb P90, and explained the whole situation about the license that FN has with Cybergun and that they are the only certified company that can use their logos etc etc.
She all confirmed this.
I also asked if she knew about the WE gbb P90 and she did. :)
So I kept on digging and asked if it is possible that WE contacts Cybergun or visa versa about making it together?
And she said that it is possible but that she cannot give me any information about this :)

The biggest answer from her was when she said "they already did". I was like, so WE already contacted you about this?
Only reply was "uhu" followed immediately again by: I cannot give you this information etc....

I dunno, but there might be a few things that make me conclude this will be made.
- the youtubefilm (it is made already by WE, thats for sure, thats a fact)
- this phonecall
- evike youtube film wich states that they will have full FN trademarks! (I will email evike about this too, those guys seem to have good contacts with WE)
- the fact that on the Cybergun website there was a FN logo (in a row of many logos of arms manufactures they sell) but FN being the only manufacturer that hasnt a official Cybergun airsoft weapon released yet!!!....

Not such a long time ago I even read a press releases (I think its even on one of the Cybergun websited) that Cybergun had a contract with FN. It was like a huge deal in the airsoftworld.
So now I am thinking if you link all this together, that this was already long ongoing.
Cybergun and FN had the deal already. And I think WE jumped in as the actual manufacturer of (in this case) a FN P90 somewhere after the deal....
Thus maybe being the first offical FN Cybergun airsoft weapon made by WE, a P90.

Just thinking out loud here!....
And just to repeat, that phonecall didnt give me any closure at all, only some suspicion...wich is not a bad think in a situation where there is nothing officially released :)



Ow, this I got from the Cybergun website, from 2nd of July this year:

http://www.cybergun.com/en/news/news...-cybergun.html

this is about the agreement they have with FN
again, their is not (yet) any FN weapon in their sales range.....think about it. :)

I am beginning to notice that Cybergun is quietly brewing up a storm. Its becoming more and more apparent that they are working with a LOT of airsoft manufacturers. Normally, I'm a TM man, but it seems to me that Cybergun wants a piece of the action. Are these just my deluded thoughts brought on by my insanity or drinking too much Jack's? Perhaps, but I have been on a hunt for a pistol, preferably a Sig Sauer P226 in metal, my searches led me to one review of an XFive model (on ASC no less) of the P226. Heres the link to the reviewhttp://http://www.airsoftcanada.com/....php?p=1252726 The box itself was tagged "Sig Sauer" and no other manufacturer on the box itself, there was also the usage of Sigs "when it counts" mantra on the box (which would be further infringement). The manual stated that this is a KWC product number KCB-70 and generally this pistol is considered to be a Cybergun repackaged product; Generally it was considered that getting trademarks is not as easy peasy as everyone generally makes it out to be, even in the pistol world, however, I've noticed that the trades are official on this one, with one exception "XFive" is not really engraved on the slide of the real steel pistols. It seems to me that rather than repackaging, perhaps Cybergun has gotten smarter and decided to work on licensing trades for some higher end manufacturers. Either KWC and WE are putting it all together or Cybergun is picking up the good stuff and putting official trades on it... That document that was linked kind of confirms my thoughts about Cybergun going after trades though.

That's what they've been doing for quite a while...
They have the rights to a lot of real steel trademarks.

Ah, that clears up A LOT for me Sir! Do they only add trades to the best of the litter or basically its all stamped and painted pot metal?

The Cybergun Sigs are all KJW to the best of my knowledge. I've owned a few, they performed well and their current owners are still enjoying them.
Not CNC machined aluminum by any means, but you really don't need much strength in a GBB frame or slide.
KJW pistols are TM compatible because of their relationship with TK, so parts are available and the performance is generally better than most.
Cybergun also rebrands a lot of ACM stuff though too, you've got to research where the source their products.
-Grant

They rebrand a lot of different brands.

KJW, CYMA, AGM, WE, DE, KWC, JG, DBOYS, ICS, WELL.
I could go on.

indeed, so that can explain the text in the evike youtube film at 1:30:
YouTube - Airsoft Evike.com- Sneak Preview of WE90 GBB

I repeat; I bet WE makes it (that is what the film suggests and the emails James from WE sent and that have been posted on various airsoft boards) and Cybergun releases it with all the trademarks on it from FN Herstal Belgium.
Thus being completely legal in the eyes of FN.
After all Cybergun got a deal with FN since July this year, so time to make that contract deal in practice :)

If I may believe the article on the cybergun website, they also will bring out a:
- Five-Seven pistol
- a F2000 :cool:

But so far the P90 gbb is the only thing we have seen proof of in a film....but I think more FN things will come out thru Cybergun.

WE as well? the pistols?

hmmm I doubt they have any WE manufactured airsoft weapons.
My Cybergun 1911 tactical (wich I sell) is actually a KJW as well.

But if (or better: when) the P90 comes out, wouldnt that be the first WE - Cybergun collaboration?

Yup. This is a WE pistol from Cybergun:

http://www.palcosports.com/catalog_p...?prod=18050616

No, not the first Cybergun/WE.

Aha, thx for that

I mailed James with another email wich he replied too and this is what I have mailed:

Hi,

thx for the reply James.

But I must say after observing all the activities on the internet I can almost concluse that there are "things" going on between you guys from WE and Cybergun....and that there is still a ongoing discussion about sells?

Because, I have called with Cybergun at France, lol :) and they were very protective in their answer when I asked some to the point questions about the gbb P90 :)
Mostly I got answers like: "I cannot give you that information" :)
But also some positive answer to questions if there are talks between WE and Cybergun.
+ Cybergun does not sell 1 FN airsoft weapon BUT they do have a (I think expensive) license with FN since July this year: http://www.cybergun.com/en/news/news...-cybergun.html

So I bet that they now can use that license and you guys build the gun(s)?

Even a evike youtube film states that it will be fully licensed: YouTube - Airsoft Evike.com- Sneak Preview of WE90 GBB look at 1:30....
So I really think you guys and cybergun are at the final stages of releasing it but we still have to be a bit more patient?
Can you confirm this or give us something to keep our hopes up? :)

Kind regards




And this was his answer to that email:

:) *wink*

Hmmm I wonder if this is going to lead to a new dawn of high quality, fully licensed airsoft arms... recently palmed the p226 XFive that I was talking about... Visited a friend who had one; great shooter, I know nothing about TM pistols so I can't speak about its compatibility to TM pistols; Seems like better potmetal than before, very solid, all metal, good stuff for a Cybergun (whether is made by KSC, KWC or even KFC, ha!). The only draw back was Co2 mags however its green, red, and propane gas ready, hence it was only a question of finding a compatible mag.

I dont care about the trademarks! I want to play with this GBBR!

you an me both. though if i am going to drop what (imo) feels like 800$+ i would want it to be as authentic as possible.

http://ggitv.blip.tv/

starting on minute 12.13


Yeah, they will bring out a P90 :)

any word on when this is coming out?

Ask cybergun, there's your answer...quoted from WE

Seriously with so read through the comments in WE's Christmas video, you'll find the answer.

Idk but i have been looking forward to this gun for a long time. Common WE.. Give us the P90 already lol

The 226 would be made by KJW. Cybergun rebrands a variety of gun brands though.

Seems as though the newest information I can find on this gun is at least a year old. Has anyone heard anything else on it?

Definitely looking forward to this whenever it eventually shows up.

license holder was probably being a bitch and gave them unfavorable business terms and threatened to sue them into oblivion if they called it a b90?

Doesn't make sense... FN licenced the SCAR-L to them already.

You sure? The WE SCAR doesn't have trades. If it was licensed, it would have them.

It was already made known that the WE P90 won't be made due to licensing problems. From my knowledge only Cybergun is the sole company that sells fully trademarked FN guns.

So unless they will pay the hefty fee of licensing the gum under Cybergun I doubt it will ever hit the market.

That was before this whole problem started. I had a we scar with full trades so I know why you'd think that.

maybe they should get umarex, it seems that they have legal trades on their OEMed rifles...

It has been confirmed that the WE P90, SCAR H and MP5 projects have been shelved do to licence issues.

That still leaves the WE SVD (behind schedule), the WE Aug, Thompson, grease gun left to be released.

Plus they have two more versions of the AK and a MK 18 Mod 0 to be released soon as well.

I also hear rumors from some insiders about a SR 25 and a LMG in the R&D phase.

I believe that Umarex licenses out for Walther and H&K, and have nothing to do the the FN Herstal licences.

(@Others: If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.)

edit: an AUG and Thompson?! YES PLS THANKYEW!!!!!

Umarex has HK trades.

If its FN's trades thats causing the issue for WE from releasing the P90, MP5, and SCARH then why not remove them to be sold without trades like many of their other guns? Or is it more then just simply slapping FN's logo on the gun thats causing the issue?

Recently firearm making have been bringing litigation against people who make close copies of their work. So anything that looks too much like an MP5 or SCAR is grounds for a suit.

WE's MP5 and P90, SCAR-H are forever shelved. I posted that a long time ago. Someone asked at WE GBB's facebook page and that was their official answer. MOVE ON folks.

P90's patent might/might not be expired, if it is trademark can be easily overcame

give it time...

So regardless if theres trades on the gun or not, WE could still face a lawsuit for making a P90, MP5, and/or SCARH?