Hello everyone, I'm kind of new to Airsoft (I Paintball)
 

Well here I am after weeks of being nagged by my buddies to try Airsoft. So I have come here looking for a good M4A1 Carbine type gun with RIS and a retractable stock (Being a MilSim player I have all my optics and stuff just need the Airsoft gun.)
Also can Airsoft guns fire Paintballs? Just in case I want to bring the rain on some Paintball chaps back in Southern Ontario.
Anyways, thanks in advance and go easy on me.

point 1, this website has what is called "age verification" that proves you are 18, you go out and meet a age verifier. through this process you have access to retailers and the classifieds where you can get any m4.

point 2, no they cannot, paintballs are .68 cal and bb's are 6mm two different sizes. that being said there are "marker" bb's available but the general consensus is to stay away simply because the gum up your internals and are more pain then they are worth.

Hey, Welcome to the forums. Glad you have decided to come to the light! lol

As RITZ has said, getting an M4, or any airsoft weapon is as easy as getting age verified with us. There is an unimaginable amount of rifles for sale used and new on/through this site. ESPECIALLY M4s :P

Please take some time to read all of the FAQs in the FAQ section, there is VERY important information there for you, including information on how to get Age Verified.
Also included in the FAQs is information about what NOT to buy from outside Canada - I suggest this be one of your first reads.

One thing you will find on ASC is that we are not here to spoonfeed you. Please show some initiative and research topics on your own, pretty much any question you can think of has been asked before, so please use the search function up top :D

Have fun, and welcome to the sport
Good luck!

Sadly, I am only 15 so my Dad will have to buy the gun for me which is a bummer but hey, what can you do? Anyways the reason I said the Airsoft/Paintball thing is because my old MilSim broke on me and I want to try out Airsoft MilSim, but I am still loyal to my Paintball team who most certainly need me (Team Leader).
Also to add to Mr.Meanie first poster: Gas Airsoft guns can fire Paint rounds just as well as Paintball guns just my problem floats around the FPS cap for Paintball so I'm think two different type of Gases for my gun allowing me to use it for PB purposes when required yet still kick some arse during Airsoft.

What the fuck are you talking about kid?

Gas airsoft guns shooting paintballs?

Yes as stated earlier, there are 6mm paintballs available but they are not recommended as they can fuck up your internals/hopup etc.

If you want to play paintball use a paintball gun, which you should stick to until you turn 18.

Well, being 15 is a problem.

Having your father buy your rifle through this site for you is against the rules. Its circumventing the AV system.

As for gas guns shooting the 6mm marker rounds, that is more dangerous then an AEG shooting the rounds. When the bolt cycles, it puts tremendous pressure on the round to push it out of the mag and into the hop up chamber.
This is compared to the weaker pressure of the AEG mag simply pushing the marker round into the breach of the AEG and it is them pushed into the hopup chamber by the nozzle. Though safer - it is still not recommended due to intolerance in the marker rounds. Most will be fine, but when one breaks, your barrel will be fucked, and the paint will be sucked into the mechbox, then that gets gummed up and is a bitch to clean.

I found out about airsoft when I was 14, and I could not play until I was 18. Please take your time and WAIT. Spend time on thiese forums and READ READ READ READ READ READ. Believe me when I say that the community will see you better for it.

Continue to play paintball until you are 18, or can play at the rare game where people that are 16 are allowed to play.

Okay, I see your point so Paintball for training and fun until I'm 18, and until then research and ask questions. Sounds Fair enough.

You have made a great decision, very mature of you.

again - welcome to the forums, please enjoy learning about the sport!

Heh, thanks for the cheery welcome.

Anyways back to the topic of Airsoft since I do MilSim Paintball/woodsball and we use a Mag System now (Took for ever for someone to do that) so I have FLYE RRV Khaki with the MBSS Backplate with a Hydration/back pack hybrid, two dual double M16/4 Mag pouches, Radio pouch, Admin Pouch, and some grenade pouches.
I think I'll keep that vest until its useless or totally ruined, but yeah for Airsoft I'm thinking of a M4, and M14 EBR since I'm more of DM type.

1. how was that mean in any way?
i pointed out the facts in a simple matter, clear and concise. all the members reiterated and supported the fact.

2. what your probably thinking is these
http://www.pressreleasepoint.com/fil...unisher_LF.jpg
they are not airsoft.
they are mag fed paintball guns

3. anyways welcome to the community, and seems like you made the wise choice as to wait.


the vest you have is plenty good for both sports.
the m14 ebr is a great rifle (as long as you use a TM base)
though you can get a M4 and make it a DMR or SPR quite easily

Yeah, I have T68 nice but not so nice, and sorry about that remark. I was flustered and your attitude didn't help to much, sorry.
Funny though, don't see many guys doing a C7 or C8 load out. =/

you'll find that many people in this community are VERY to the point. no one adds fluff or anything extra it's "this is how it is" answers for everything you could say we don't fuck around, the biggest mistake of many newcomers such as yourself mistake this for being rude or giving you attitude, it's not. all answers are going to be straight forward and to the point on here, we are adults, if you think someones being a dick on here their probably not, it will take getting used to believe me when I say alot of people on here are the last people on earth you want to argue with or tell off. your new, we've been around here for years, we don't need to be polite if we don't want to, and we don't, newbies get angry and scream then leave, and asc carries on completely unaffected. if it gets to you this is just a heads up, people will feed that fire.

thats because a C7 or C8 is very difficult to do, simply because everyone tries to be balls on accurate. the receiver I've noticed is the biggest gripe of most because getting the trademarks is hard.
and as AP said there was no attitude i just plainly and simply pointed out my points. if you came here and expected for everything to be sugar coated for you because your new. well your looking in the wrong place. we state simple facts plain and simple. as suggested read the FAQ's the'll answer alot, and use the search button it'll more then likely turn up results and answers relevant to what you need.

Its funny to see someone say they are 15 then see replies to a post made be said person that contain foul language......

Should this not be a sign to keep the foul language to a minimum?

Anyone to the OP, fill out your profile more ( you location to be more specific ), although you are only 15 that's doesn't mean you can't come to some games and meet people and see whats going on. I personally suggest you do this when you are young then by the time you can play you have a re pore with the players already.

This isn't happy funland, PG-13 lasertag faggotry

this is a forum for an adult activity, some adults cuss, big deal

Alright, updated my profile I live in Caledon Area, go to Wop School (R.F.Hall) and if you want to know more just shoot me a PM but please, keep the vulgar language to a minimum as stated up above.

alright your in the orangeville area cool. what part there are a few of us locally.
I used to go to the trailerpark of education (what 23 portables last check?)

LOL.

I am working on one right now. Going to make a C8 out of my current KJW GBBR, good thing I know somebody with a small C&C perfect for engraving trades ;)
Later down the road I want to do a C7, or just make a new upper and just ignore the 'C8' engraved in the receiver :P

HAH! I love it!

23 portables, 2 of which fell apart. 1 on the way to the school and the other while it was being unloaded.
around 2000 kids
65 buses
the school is on a intersection

elementary school on one
robert f hall on the other
a cemetary on the other
and a house on the other

the school has a farm next door which has cows

Welcome to the forums.
Make sure you get age verified, it really helps you out.

He's 15, read

readin's fo fools yo

Heh, yeah they built a school in Bolton less wops now. And your Orangeville too? What district? By OD? Westside? or Purple Hill? Oh and they removed ten portables now its like 15 piece of shit portables. Just wondering was McMhon the Principal there when you went?
Edit: I live on Second Street by the TD bank on Broadway.

finally built the second school in bolton.
I'm up by westside.
if you need anymore info on the local guys or such pm me and i can see what i can do

Okay, sounds good so what should I be doing other than reading up on things?

Saving your money!

I have a lot of money, also getting a part time soon so money shouldn't be to much of an issue.
My friend in the states said I should go for a all metal AEG, use the heavier BBs and the FPS should be around 400 my only problem who is good to buy from? Can they take a Duracoat camouflage paint? and are they RIS (I live, eat, sleep and love RIS).

You do realize how much money these guns are right? And don't go by what your friend in the States tells you.

You want to know what you should do ........ as stated above ...... READ, READ, READ, READ, READ.......... and more READING.

Combat Photographer!

You can do a meet and greet and get your foot in the door. If they decide they like you the admin running the game may make an exception to you playing (I can't say for sure though).

NB (Nota Bene): To purchase a gun you must be 18+ (in fact apparently it's law in Ontario), however to play it all depends on who's running the game and how they feel about these things. Some admins will say 18+ no exceptions, others might allow minors supervised by an established player (ie. father or uncle and son/nephew group), some may say 16+ with guardian playing on field with them, even others might say 16+ (or sometimes younger) with waiver signed by parent. Just remember, it can't hurt to ask and at least you get your foot in the door and you get more known.

PS: Thanks for being so mature about this, a lot of the times minors around your age will throw a hissy fit at not being allowed to play. I can see you having a great time in the community as long as you maintain the attitude that you have right now.

NB: ASC maintains it's own system for purchasing and selling guns. It is by no means the end all be all but it is a significant chunk of the market in Canada. As well, do not attempt to have a parent make an AV shell/proxy account for the purposes of only purchasing guns (unless that parent is looking to become an active player and play alongside you).

EDIT: People in the US pay significantly less for their guns (for a fairly good quality metal gun in Canada, BNIB you're looking at $450-500 minimum (and once you turn 18 and can see the classifieds packages can go from $150 for a cheap parts/fixer gun up to $3000+ for a PTW in a package with all the bells and whistles and all real steel parts). Also NB that we use POWER limits NOT FPS limits (for ease however it's usually translated to the speed using .20 BB's) so if the limits are 1.48J then chronoing using .20's will give you 400 FPS and chronoing using .25's will give you a little less than 360 FPS.

Whether you get a full metal AEG or one with just a metal upper or a composite one is up to you. They all have their pro's and cons. If you are playing inside .20 bbs are fine as they travel faster and distance and wind is not much of an issue. Once you get outside however I suggest using .28's or heavier. Heavier bb's while traveling slower will provide greater range and accuracy as well as cut through bushes and shubbery easier. The fps you game at will depend on where you play ( indoors/outdoors), most hosts limit fps to 350 for inside and 400 fps for outside. Please note that these are limits not goals!!! With a properly tuned AEG and a good hop up many guns with lower fps have better accuracy and distance than some guns set to 400fps. I think I remember your earlier post saying you wanted an M4, AR's are great because their are so many after market parts for them including a ton of RIS/RAS choices. And please don't take this as poorly but whatever amount you think is enough is not. Most players don't stop at one guns and one rig set up. Infact I think most players here can probably claim to easily have spent over $5000 on airsoft. And yes Duracoat will work.

To expand on what Eeyore said.... I'm probably a good $1500 into airsoft not to mention I'm also a University Student (just drink less beer and spend less on things like girls and food (if you eat healthy and spend money on the right foods you'll feel good/energetic/healthy AND save a lot of money compared to people who eat ramen noodles and KD all the time)).

Also.... one of my projects (that I will start when I get some money) budget/financial projection is estimated to be ~$1300 (at lowest cost), possibly more depending on any snags that I hit.

Heh, only around $600? Want to know how much I spent on my last MilSim Paintball gun alone to get it cost me... roughly $900? Then if you add my Aimpoint COMP ML2 and various other things it was close to $1700. And I'm not going to stick with one load out, I will most likely have two or three load outs based on my favorite Special Forces groups and such.
Also another question, anyone here into the MilSim or am I alone?

I own about about 4k worth of various markers and gear. But I came to the light eventually. But this is not a paintball forum, go to Tippmann for that.

I know, I'm just saying Paintball Markers are two times as expensive as Airsoft guns so I'm deciding if I should buy another T68 or work on getting an M4 type Airgun getting all the things locked tight until I'm allowed to play.

Edit: Can you Zero Airsoft Guns? Also I'm not mature? Am I? >.>

zeroing a airsoft gun can be done through changing to a tighter inner barrel and adjusting the hop-up..

and some airsoft guns can run about 2000+ my old custom ran me 1000+

No, they are not. You are wrong.

Go buy yourself a T68, spend all your money on paintball gear, never mind buying an M4 cause by the time you're allowed to play things will be different.

Do less posting and more reading. The Search function works very well too.

Cheers,
FACE.

I actually beg to differ about the price of paintball markers compared to airsoft. Both are about the same. Milsim markers are usually the lower to mid end markers being about $500, while a good marker like and Angel or a MacDev are about $1500 to $2000 USD. Where you really save money is on ammo. Paintballs cost about $100 for 1000 at fields, good quality bbs are $20 for 1000. The money you save on paintballs pays for the gun and all your gear.

How would things change? From what I've been reading the rules and stuff are pretty solid and don't need much change.

import laws, prices etc...

Yeah, well those are always changing.

There have been some changes in the background but I don't think I can delve too much into it. Basically just know that there are fundamental changes being made in the background and hopefully once the market "stabilizes" you'll see cheaper prices and more stuff available. (Trust me I do some Economic Geography... lol. (But at heart I'm an idiot that would love to do nothing more than hit rocks with a hammer, play with expensive lasers and tools, and drink whiskey all the time)). I am actually one that remembers the days of buying a Classic Army rifle at $700 (and that was when they had absolute SHIT internals).

PS: A lot of what we play are more milsim oriented, although you'll have some "speedball style" play at certain paintball venues due to the inherent design of the field. Usually however, it'll be more "woodsball" oriented with occasional smaller and larger milsim games.

Okay, yeah well I understand that but the Market is quite stable in Canada so nothing is to much of a problem plus I probally will just get the T68 and the new uniform stuff such as a new RRV front bit since I have a large tear in the back of it only held together by the MOLLE.

I bought my Tippmann A5 back when it first came out with the flatline, stock, remote line package, bought all the necessary gear and 'stupid' pod carriers.

Cost roughly $1,300
(Only gun I really used for 5 years)


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I've spent more than $3,500 in less than a year with airsoft...
..

Although, having said that, the cost of paintballs are retarded. Probably spent couple grand on that alone. But what I am trying to say is airsoft is more expensive, more relative, and there are a copious amount of gear, accessories, parts, real steel parts, you name it.

You will never play paintball again.

Alright, so maybe I shouldn't paintball and save up all the money I can? Then when I'm sixteen I'll start looking at Airsoft gear writing up my list and stuff.

I suppose that information wasn't very helpful or relative as to what you were asking, you can however take the cheaper side of airsoft. In paintball if you don't spend the money on your gun and hopper and what have you, you are seriously out gunned and out matched to those with bigger wallets. With airsoft you have the option to go cheaper, yet still able to have the same accuracy and range as most high end guns.

But as stated earlier in the thread, use the 'search' feature, browse through old threads, there are a lot of good sites with lots of information to go through.

Not many people will admit it, but chairsofting is a big part of airsoft. :p

Yeah, don't worry I'm reading all these first Airsoft rules and regs, laws and ect... I think I have most of it down but I'll keep them book marked for further reading and evaluation, anyways I hope I can show that some of us youngsters can actually play Airsoft and not be a total pain.
Edit: Also this will help me with my gun studies for gun poses and movement so don't be surprised if after a round I break out a sketchbook and start drawing you all. =P

Actually.... one time I had a pump action player come play on a "public walkon day" and he was kicking ass against the other team (they had 2 guys with what I believe to be full auto RAP4's that shot something crazy like 10BPS or something).

Believe me, we know that SOME minors can be awesome but it's a lot easier for hosts to have a blanket 18+ policy (or 18+ with certain exceptions), not only for legal aspects (and the fact that hosts don't like their games being a daycare/babysitting service) but also to cut down on douchbaggery (but at the same time there are people that are in the 18-24 age group that are complete douchebags as well (*cough*fratboysandguidos*cough*) however they tend to get uninvited from games and mommy and daddy can't complain about it).

My parents couldn't care if I don't get invited or not just as long as I play fair, safe and actually get outside since I stopped doing Mixed Martial Arts for a few months now.
Edit: Told my friends about my decision to go Airsoft instead of Paintball so, I guess I'll save my money up to buy some new Uniforms that fit, buy a new RRV since mine is ruined get some Head gear and good eye protection, but keep my Headset since it is still in perfect condition.
Also, are Trail/Hiking Shoes good for Airsoft or do I need the Combat Boots?