Thought on Aftermath products?
 

Title says it all lol. The reason I say is because Cabela's has their Aftermath products on sale..and the Aftermath Knight CQB AEG looks really nice.

Thoughts?

bleh

there is much better stuff out there, even at close prices

Like?

No.

I bought that exact rifle once, from a Cabela's too.

It broke on my second day of owning it. Your experience with it might be better, but I still wouldn't recommend it.

I brought it back to Cabela's and they were nice enough to give me a full refund. I spent an extra 50 dollars and got a G&G M4.

Well, pretty damn near everything. Google it, check the link in my sig, make up your mind.

Oh yeah? I've had the aftermath kraken for well over a year now with approximately 3000 rounds (didn't do much in the summer unfortunately) and I have had no problems what so ever. Just take care of it, don't throw it around like a toy, clean it after each game, charge the batteries correctly, put silicone grease after 10,000 rounds, etc.

As for performance, it's pretty damn accurate up to at least 200 feet and it's strong enough to have drawn blood on my elbow and neck (yeah I didn't have a lot of protection but it was pretty hot out). I even sniped my friends forehead through some trees that were like less than 2 inches apart and was 15m away. Ironsights and standing.

The other guns are pretty damn good too so don't lay down the junk bomb right off the bat...

no offense but what might have worked for you for 3000 bb's (which isn't exactly a good sample size, like saying you've done 30 thousand miles in a new car without a problem.. good but not exactly 'wow') won't work for everyone else. will you guarantee that the AEG he picks up won't die in the first magazine? no, you won't..

the reason people lay the 'junk' bomb down is because, after using AEG's from companies with a proven long-term track record, they are by comparision, junk.

they are cheap, they can serve a purpose (getting people into the sport) but at the end of the day they are inferior to many other brands in terms of general long-term reliability due to the lack of quality components and Quality control.

just my 2 (euro)cents

I picked up an Aftermath Broxa and have put thousands (10 -15k) of rounds through it over the last three years and haven't had a problem. It allowed me to get into the sport but now I have upgraded to a TM M14. Some aftermath guns are good and some are not. It's a crap shoot, if yo are willing to give it a good, then realize if it breaks down no one will have any sympathy for you here!

Always try to buy the best yo can afford. Understand that if you get age verified you can pick up some killer guns from the classified section for not a lot more than a new Aftermath from Cabellas.

Meh. It's nothing special. There seems to be a high lemon rate but if you can get past that (ie. not get a lemon) they're decent for what you're paying for. Otherwise it's just a moneypit.

Also, they're popular for people who want to basically build a gun from the ground up or aspiring gundocs. Reason being is that it's basically a $150 "3D instruction manual" and you'll get pretty good repairing/upgrading the internals.

even if the customer gets a lemon cabela's is a pretty good company and is usually willing to compensate for the said lemon.

also my friend's been rocking his kraken ak for about 4 years now and hasn't had any problems with it. also He's got a 3000 round drum mag that he usually empties every time he uses it and we usually try to go every weekend. my whole team loves the kraken and 5 of us now have it. i dunno maybe my whole team got yummy oranges instead of lemons

Reached my 10,000 mark and have no problems but I'm going to put in some silicone grease like the manual says. Any other suggestions to keep it in good shape? I clean out the barrel after each game.

It's a Kraken, best thing to do unless you're experience in how an airsoft gun works is to just keep using it until it dies, then send it off to a qualified guntech.

Well the manual specifically says in the maintenance section:

1: Drop a few drops of silicone oil or Teflon oil from the bullet entrance. (picture shows the bb feed) Insert BB bullets into the magazine and fire bullets equivalent to one or 2 magazines (I hope they mean mid caps and not high caps...)

2: To complete the cleaning, use the cleaning rod(with cotton)as shown below, to remove excess oil.


A review online said its a good idea to do this every 10,000 rounds.

I wouldn't recommend oiling your hop-up rubber. I'd recommend replacing it instead.

putting oil in it and cleaning it with cotton wont have anywhere near the effect of getting everything cleaned and properly re greased by a professional will.

Lets just say that Kraken gear boxes most likely (not exaggerating at all here) are greased with a tea spoon and Vaseline.

I bought the Aftermath M4 knight cqb. I am currently in the process of replacing the hop up on it - its brutal, there might as well have been no hop up on this thing.

Hopefully once its done it shoots better...which I think it will, but thats an extra 50 bucks I had to drop on it.

I have the Kraken and love it, works dreamy, has a very slight wobble but for 99 bucks, you cant go wrong really. Shoots fast far and straight.

from the community lender gun teh kraken, to my broxa i bought theyre decent, untill you play with more quality out of the box guns, or internally upgrade them, btw the kraken looks nice with a metal body and wood kit,if you were thinkin of doing that

I like my desert paint =D but someday I may just put on wood furniture. (pic in sig is my kraken)

Well, how to say this? I have two friends who got an Aftermath MP5 Broxa about 2 years ago.

It isn't their primary guns though.. One guy had problems with wires disconnecting from the motor. The other friend doesn't use it that much, got it for his gf.. But they used to play with cheapo Wal-Mart pump action guns.. So they figured this was good stuff.

But now that I brought a Classic Army to the table.. they've noticed 'somewhat' of a 'difference'; now they either want to change guns or upgrade.

Personal Experience
I've shot one, and was not impressed (compared to my Classic Army UMC).. trigger response is slow, ROF sucks, they have 50 more FPS than I do but cannot shoot nearly as far or as accurate as I do (and my gun has a shorter stock 6.08mm inner barrel), also they seem to jam frequently, often fire no bb's and then fire 2 bb's... Totally innacurate on auto-fire.. sheesh, they go all over the place!

To be honest, I think the price/value is great for someone kinda getting into Airsoft or someone on a tight budget. Other than that - from the small experience I have handling one - I was not impressed (after having shot a Classic Army anyways..).

Conclusion
Save your money and get something worth it and reliable/consistent. Not being able to predict a shot is horrible and reason enough. The Classifieds have many good Tokyo Marui MP5's for sale..

*and think that you'll have to paint the cheapo clear plastic.

*Take it from someone who's still new to Airsoft: do not even look at FPS! I've actually LEARNT that lesson first-hand. Cheap guns usually need to put the focus on 400+ FPS, simply because the rest isn't worth it (in most cases I've seen).

Ive had my kraken for 3 years and had over 60,000 shots through it and just recently even opened it up.

There great for lending or a back-up

Personally i took the stock off and cut the barrel down to right infront of the rear sight.

The kraken is the only aftermath worth buying. Ly friend has a Lichen and its a PoS. Reviews on the Broxa show its also a failure. Whatever the M4 is called is also apparently a PoS too. According to multiple reviews, the kraken is the only gun Aftermath made worth spending the money on. I plan to keep using my kraken for a bit longer even though I know how high quality guns shoot and feel (I think it was some G&G AUG I was firing at targets) and honestly, I got the kraken for an awesome $130 out of $250. I do however plan on getting something in the higher quality range. Was eying a nice G&G MP5 the other day =P

Care = long lasting.

I have the broxa

It is.....its ok. Not very accurate and it hates the KA mags I bought for it. Im sure that if you replaced the hop-up and ran a tightbore down it then it would fix the accuracy problem. The hop-up is just a shitty design

I have a 9.6v and the ROF is ok but again the magazine doesnt feed well

I got it just for fun. Save a few hundred bucks and find something nice....I have a CA, TM, and a RS and I would recommend getting a CA or TM to start

I don't get how you can give your "opinion" when you have nothing to compare it to. You only have Aftermath products. Maybe the Kraken is the best of THAT line, but Aftermath is still down the list.

You obviously missed the part where I played with a G&G. I've also played with various other weapons like a TM L96 and a CA M4

Aftermath + Parts = a half decent gun
Aftermath Stock= meh crap shoot

Pretty sure you haven't played with a TM L96.

There's maybe... 10 of them in Canada and as far as I know 0 of them in Manitoba.

Trust me this man knows, hes got the addresses of all the good guns in his area :)


As for the aftermath products, well that are good for the price, great as rentals/loaners, but have issues at the same time.

biggest problem with them is the hop up and hop up unit along with the barrel. Take a stock one and switch out with a TM hop up unit and any other barrel and they are ok.

You also have to keep in mind your budget. If you can wait and save up for a better gun then do it, although I have seen the Kraken AK used hard and well at our field with no issues (other then someone giving one a kick by mistake cause it was resting on a wall lol)

Ahh I love how Newbie section turns into "flame wars".

Truth be told aftermath is a company that is getting better with time. Don't ever pay more then $150 for one of there guns tho. They are always on sale for $99, so at that price point they are the best thing on the go. BUT be warned don't expect it to act or feel like a $600 gun.

Not quite true.

Aftermath uses the cast-off old Cyma stuff... Old cyma stuff is pretty crappy..

If they're not producing any more and start using the newer cyma stuff... quality will improve.

I have an AM Broxa and I love it. It works very well, but had a problem with the frame that I fixed myself. The mechbox is metal (mostly, some plastic sliders, but at least the gears and mechbox externals are metal)

If you are mechanically inclined and can service it properly, then it should do you well. If not, go for something better.

FYI- while I like my Broxa and it serves me well, do some reading on these forums if you are serious about quality (I am). While the AM Broxa is a nice starter, and may require some tinkering from time to time I have a passion for quality- so I also have a RealSword AK Model 56 in my collection. Night and Day (but it too requires tinkering, but on a higher level...LOL ;) ;) )

Just wondering where the cyma info came from? I'ed like to read it and see if other "clone"companies are doing the same.

I've got a beautiful Lada for sale. It's almost all Metal, it can go fast, and it even has a revolutionnary system called Brakes. Pretty sure if I hit somebody with it, he will bleed. Must be the best car in the world.

I even did 3000 klicks with it so far, and it's still working!

Aftermath products can be cheap, but there's a reason.

No, it's not that they decided not to make any profit out of it.

It's all because of the materials chosen and the tolerances.

You pay for quality.


And FYI, Statua, G&G is still a clone company. I've seen some shitting a brick at the field. I've yet to see a TM or any other "medium to high" quality AEG break.

It's well known Aftermath rebrands CYMA's. I'm pretty sure that someone took one apart and pointed out certain markings on certain parts and they were CYMA parts (it actually may have been Amos).

It's all the same with companies like Palco, Cybergun, and such that don't actually make their own stuff, just rebrand clones.

LastSpartan hit the nail on the head.. on the nose.. and in between the legs.

Just to add to it.. in short;

It all depends what your needs are, budget and frequency of play. If you play weekly; cheap materials will wear out much quicker than if you played monthly.

Buying an aftermath does give you one advantage.. if you get a lemon within 30 days, at least you can return it :D

Aftermath products are cheap, they have a high failure rate (50%+ in some cases), and can be a bitch to find fitting aftermarket parts for.

Chances are you'll end up spending what you payed for the gun within a year of owning it on parts.

The bodies are crap, the accuracy is crap, shimming is meh... almost everything about them is meh.

You get what you pay for. Decide for your self if you want a cheap "meh" gun that might fail on you, or if you want to spend more money on something proven to be more reliable and better performing. Your choice, we can't make it for you.

Oh, and to all the "once you upgrade them they're good" fanboyz... guess what, once you replace all the internals, it's no longer an aftermath, is it?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh snap you went there kalnaren

Yea the truth sucks don't it?

I've taken over 25 krakens apart. The mechboxes are branded 'cm.028' they are identicle boxes to the cyma 028 ak.
I would provide photo evidence, but im posting from my phone.

Ditto. Cyma make the products for Aftermath to their specs. As in cheaper parts and high fps to break them with.

CM.02 is the marking on older Cyma Ver.3 boxes (CM.028, CM.028S, Kraken Etc.) and has a silver/grey shell

New Cyma Ver.3 boxes have the CM.02B gearbox, with the black shell and metal bushings, these are found in newer Krakens, and Cyma AK's with the CM.03x designations

There goes my plan for my next AEG. Meh, I'll play my AM AK till it dies out but honestly, I must have gotten lucky considering the lemon rate cause it's done me well so far. Ishould step up from 0.20 (only bb's in my area. too lazy to order online) to a 0.28. Was firing a couple of em (ok maybe like 60) and they perform much better.

But I do love the full metal body of a good G&G. With some TLC and some good choice in parts, you can turn a G&G into a powerhouse on the field.

aftermath is not the best but not the worst i shot a kraken for a year or so with a little help from my gun tech it shot grate.
a little TLC goes a long way when it comes down to the kraken :D
but i cant vouch for the other AEG'S that aftermath produces as i have not owned on or shot one.

If you change parts, it's no longer a G&G ;)

I'm not overly impressed with G&G metal bodies. They're still way better than plastic, but I think Classic Army has them beat.

Funny, When I look at my basement I see several boxes full of BB Bastard .25, .28 and .30... And last time I checked they were publicly available for sale to players in Manitoba!

I'm a little farther than Winnipeg...

Canada Post doesn't care ;)

True. I'll keep this in mind or spring.

for spring ? u dont play in winter? or are you in a remote location

got a few excuses for this one:

1. I do play, only at the indoor cqb place in winnipeg where you are required to use their bbs

2. It gets damn cold here. (-25 to -37 average)

3. It's my first winter after getting into airsoft seriously and dont really know what the plan is.


And yeah all the airsoft games I've attended/planned to attend are at LEAST a 1 hour drive from Portage La Prairie. The center of the central plains which is the most boring place I have ever been to...

Sorry my newbie ignorance.. it is also my first winter into Airsoft.. how safe is it to play airsoft outdoors when it's like -20C outside?

Safe for you, not so much for your AEG.

-10°C is about as low as most guns can go before the plastic components start to get brittle enough to start breaking and NiCad and NiMh batteries start loosing some juice. Gas guns are useless at 0°C (more like +5°C).

it gets that cold over their?

hmmmm we dont usualy have that problem with our plastic breaking, but maybe we didnt slam into a tree hard enough
and with the battery just keep an extra handy in your chest pocket

Heres the damn forecast for next week... Its not even the bitter cold of winter (january)

Today: High -13
Sunday: High -6
Monday: High -8
Tuesday: High -11
Wednesday: High -7

Take in the factor the central plains in windy (average of 20km/h) and adds an extra -8 for windchill.

And yeah portage is only an hour north from the border of the U.S

we played for about 4 hours today in the snow it was -6 today when we

were playing maybe we just didnt play long enough to get our abs frozen

or maybe it wasnt cold enough,

last year we didnt seem to have problems though either

but then again would you play in a blizzard or -30 degree weather

i just mean the nice days , btw the c02 powered pistols worked alright didnt seem affected by cold

just green gas guns

CO2 shouldn't be affected by cold. You can still play paintball with HPA and CO2 when it's cold can't you?

Anyways, it's not actually the ABS body that you should be worried about cracking it's the mechbox shell and internals that you should be worried about because of the "cold stress" being placed on the internals.

Also as an aside, V3 mechboxes should be slightly more cold tolerant (stress wise) than a V2 but it's still not ideal to be playing out in the cold.

Point taken, thanks for that small info guys.

I have a Broxa Evolution,have been playing it for the last couple of years.(admittedly not tons of games) and have had no problems at all.It shoots well and accurately,I have seen the Kracken in action and see no reason for complaint. It could very well be a case of individual luck in getting better guns,but they seem just as good as any others for a player that is on a budget or isn`t going to be playing alot.at the least it beats wally world specials.