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Cyklops August 26th, 2010 12:13

Need some help choosing a gun
 
Hey there guys, currently ive been browsing around for a new gun online. Thing is, I find it hard to actually come across a website that will not only ship to Canada without no problems (item taken at border, etc) but also my part of Canada which is Newfoundland.

Here in Newfoundland there are no airsoft stores where you can buy good quality guns, we only have wal-mart and Canadian Tire. Currently I own an electric M4 variant from wal-mart, comes with two mags (holding 200 bbs) and two batteries. Thing is, this gun has no power, no accuracy and is very fragile so im in the market for a new gun.

Here are a few ive been looking at, I was hoping you guys could direct me towards the best ones. Also, I have a low budget as im only in High School still and would rather a spring/bolt action. No particular reason, its just what a I like.

https://www.buyairsoft.ca/rifles/spr...n-s-famas.html

https://www.buyairsoft.ca/rifles/spr...per-rifle.html

http://www.eastcoastairsoft.com/gen-...ack-p-717.html

http://www.eastcoastairsoft.com/echo...ock-p-863.html

http://www.eastcoastairsoft.com/ak-n...fle-p-885.html

pewpew August 26th, 2010 12:17

there is a decent selection on the classified section if you get yourself age verified.
there is in fact a few suppliers in Nova Scotia as well.
get yourself AV'ed and you will get more help.

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by pewpew (Post 1303602)
there is a decent selection on the classified section if you get yourself age verified.
there is in fact a few suppliers in Nova Scotia as well.
get yourself AV'ed and you will get more help.

ps: if you dont want to wait and are 18+ take a look at the stinger 34p at CT, lots of good reviews on here

Alright, sounds good!

pewpew August 26th, 2010 12:22

also, dont try to import guns---you will most likely lose you money. not worth it.

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 12:27

ok ill remember that.

ThunderCactus August 26th, 2010 13:05

Of the rifles you listed, I would recommend none of them lol
Obviously get AV'd first
But while your just looking there's nothing wrong with giving you advice :D

So first off, the FAMAS is a version 1 mechbox, they're not necessarily bad, but they're not fantastic. As far as mods, it's not a very versatile platform...

And (sorry I don't know how long you may or may not have been playing), but everyone recommends against getting a sniper rifle for your first gun. Be a rifleman first and work on your fieldcraft and accuracy first. Most of sniping is being sneaky, you can learn how to do that with an AEG easily enough!

So as for brands, tokyo marui is really the best thing to start off with. Yes it's more expensive than clones or some of the lower end stuff, but it's well worth it.
It's plastic, but it's tough plastic. The internals are nigh invincible when left stock, and thus very cheap to maintain. They keep their value very well, so you can sell it later down the road to put a fairly large deposit on a full metal AEG. And they're guaranteed to be 100% compatible with all upgrades since everything is based on their design :)

Love August 26th, 2010 13:27

ECHO 1 M249 Para. Full metal, sexy, heavy, sexy, and feels nice. hahaha

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1303647)
Of the rifles you listed, I would recommend none of them lol
Obviously get AV'd first
But while your just looking there's nothing wrong with giving you advice :D

So first off, the FAMAS is a version 1 mechbox, they're not necessarily bad, but they're not fantastic. As far as mods, it's not a very versatile platform...

And (sorry I don't know how long you may or may not have been playing), but everyone recommends against getting a sniper rifle for your first gun. Be a rifleman first and work on your fieldcraft and accuracy first. Most of sniping is being sneaky, you can learn how to do that with an AEG easily enough!

So as for brands, tokyo marui is really the best thing to start off with. Yes it's more expensive than clones or some of the lower end stuff, but it's well worth it.
It's plastic, but it's tough plastic. The internals are nigh invincible when left stock, and thus very cheap to maintain. They keep their value very well, so you can sell it later down the road to put a fairly large deposit on a full metal AEG. And they're guaranteed to be 100% compatible with all upgrades since everything is based on their design :)

Makes sense about not getting a sniper for a first gun. However, I am pretty decent at the hole sneaking around thing right now. I love confusing the enemy and making them paranoid as to where exactly I am. Although, I was mostly leaning towards the FAMAS, and it doesn't matter if its not upgradeable because right now I just don't have the money. Im only in high school and don't have a job atm so I have to do with what money I have.

Canadian Psycho August 26th, 2010 17:20

The FAMAS is completely impossible to upgrade/fix. It is a spring gun same as the sniper, just not as good. Save your money.

scurvythepirate August 26th, 2010 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1303801)
Makes sense about not getting a sniper for a first gun. However, I am pretty decent at the hole sneaking around thing right now. I love confusing the enemy and making them paranoid as to where exactly I am. Although, I was mostly leaning towards the FAMAS, and it doesn't matter if its not upgradeable because right now I just don't have the money. Im only in high school and don't have a job atm so I have to do with what money I have.

Save up and buy something decent,
think of it this way, you buy a shitty gun, it will most likely break within a couple of weeks. buy something good, and it might last you (with proper maintenance and care) over 10 years.

Take a look at this thread: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...gear+buy+guide

ThunderCactus August 26th, 2010 18:40

Actually upgradeability is a REALLY important thing to look at, because even if you can't afford to upgrade it now, you will most definitely want to in the future, and it's also a good trait to have when the gun eventually breaks down!

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 19:41

I have to thank everybody for their help so far. But just to give you guys an idea of what I have now and why I really do need a better gun. Here are just some of the specs:

-Its nowhere near actual size, its extremely small (Supposed to be an M4)
-Fragile, weak plastic, already starting to come apart and only bought at the beginning of summer
-only shoots like 250fps maybe less and has terrible accuracy, bullets go everywhere when on both semi and full auto
-2 batteries take 4 hours to charge and last just a little over an hour
-Was bought from wal-mart as an exchange for an old shotgun because the spring went in the mag


Right now im looking at some m14's, they look alright to me so far.

ThunderCactus August 26th, 2010 21:23

M14's are pretty solid
Anyway, look at what tokyo marui has, they're plastic guns but they're tougher than some of the metal chinese guns for the same price and way better in the long run.

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1304069)
M14's are pretty solid
Anyway, look at what tokyo marui has, they're plastic guns but they're tougher than some of the metal chinese guns for the same price and way better in the long run.

Alright, ill have to take a look sometime soon! And just to give a better idea of what gun I currently own, just look at this.....

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/crosman-...soft-gun.shtml

Only difference is, mine does't have the scope and actually loads into clips of 200 each. And my battery is in the main barrell.

Brokenwings August 26th, 2010 22:22

Urgh..cancer.
Get Av'ed man, and you'll wonder what the hell you were thinking buying those guns :P
you'll drool, you'll cry, you'll laugh.

M14's with a real wooden body...mmmm. So beautiful.
Get AV'ed!

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenwings (Post 1304111)
Urgh..cancer.
Get Av'ed man, and you'll wonder what the hell you were thinking buying those guns :P
you'll drool, you'll cry, you'll laugh.

M14's with a real wooden body...mmmm. So beautiful.
Get AV'ed!

Im looking at a few m14's now. Their relatively cheap, each shooting 320-350fps which is an excellent upgrade from the 225fps I have now, its spring which is what I want...I just love springs and I don't know why lol, 37 round mag so I may have to purchase another and it come in a bunch of colours, I can get it with a scope, flaslight and tactical rail. Looking good to me.

Brokenwings August 26th, 2010 22:51

Show me.

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenwings (Post 1304144)
Show me.

KK and the fps is also 360-380 with .12's

Here they are....

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/TSD_Sp...mbo_Green/2170

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/TSD_Sp...oft_Rifle/2149

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/m14-airs...le-combo.shtml

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/TSD_Sp...niper_Kit/1286

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/TSD_Sp...fle_Combo/1631

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/m14-airsoft-rifle.shtml

Im not really sure how legit the website is though. But even if I don't order from them, its going to be something along those lines id say.

R.I.T.Z August 26th, 2010 22:58

Most everyone on this forum will tell you to get “Age verified” and buy from the classifieds.
You cannot import any guns from websites outside of Canada.
Airsoft is a 18+ sport
Sniping is not for newbies
If you are underage please do not try to circumvent the system in place, its there for a reason.
Nobody will help you get a gun if you are not age verified or underage
Do not play in your backyard/forest or anything of the like. Only play on official fields.
Please read the FAQ’s

LINKS!
FAQ's Please read

How To get verified

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO USE OF ALL!


http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca

Kokanee August 26th, 2010 23:01

@ Cyklops: You need to recognize that a "decent" M14 will set you back $350-$400 minimum. These spring guns you are listing are garbage and will only lead to disappointment. Once you get AV'd you will have access to the classifieds and there is a whole world of awesome AEGs and other airsoft weapons to be had, you just need to be a little patient.

I'm sorry to say this, but if you cannot afford to shell out $600-800 to get into the sport then it isn't for you right now; once you are out of school and have a decent paying job/career on the go then you'll be able to afford it. Airsoft isn't for someone in a low income bracket, plain and simple.

I'm not trying to "troll" your thread, just being very honest about your situation. Maybe see if you can get out to some games in your area and rent a gun if you are really desperate to get some game time under your belt.

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 23:07

This is terribly disappointing lol. Im only 17, so I have to wait a full year to get access to the classifieds. I really want, no I need a new and better gun. Ive owned several airsoft guns, all terrible quality as they were from Canadian Tire or Wal-mart. And im not new at the sport by any means, ive been playing it for over 2 years now. Thing is, I don't want to buy a gun thats going to run me $200-$300 right now because the people I play with don't take it as serious as myself, only me and another actually wear BDU's and the such. If I did however get involved with my local airsoft group I would consider buying something expensive.

Redzephyr August 26th, 2010 23:25

Thing is, whether the people you play with take the sport seriously or not, a solid, reliable gun is always worth your money, and a cheapy is never worth your money.

I've watched those Walmart guns literally fall apart on the field. How many times do y'gotta spend however much money on junk before it becomes worthwhile to actually go the extra mile and get something that'll last you for years?

Kokanee August 26th, 2010 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1304165)
This is terribly disappointing lol. Im only 17,...I really want, no I need a new and better gun...

You are 17, and obviously cannot tell the difference between a "want" and a "need". Airsoft anything is a "want", you should be focusing on finishing school, working a part time job to save for your first car and trying to touch a boob... priorities man! priorities!

Redzephyr August 26th, 2010 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokanee (Post 1304190)
you should be focusing on finishing school, working a part time job to save for your first car and trying to touch a boob... priorities man! priorities!

Absolutely true, though I'm not sure I'd recommend you knock 'em off the list in that exact order. ;)

Cyklops August 26th, 2010 23:38

Actually, im trying to get a job now cause im going to have to pay for insurance, I get moms old car which isn't too bad at all. But ill probably just use the gun I have now for awhile until it breaks and when it does ill buy a much better gun than. Im sick and tired of guns breaking all the time.

L473ncy August 26th, 2010 23:51

I'll tell you this, it's all about discipline.

I'm in school right now and basically make no money. Yet I have the discipline and budgeting skills to keep my hobbies in check.

ie. Do I "need" a new computer? or do I just want a new computer? Obviously it gets a bit muddled with my major (Geographic Information Systems) but having a nice computer is a realized want. So actually what I ended up doing was instead of getting some OMFG kick ass computer, I settled for saving my money and next year depending on what the consensus is either getting a Bulldozer computer or a SandyBridge computer (with the pricepoint that meets my goals).

I'd also actually like a car but it's also a want (but kind of a need as well with some of these co-op jobs that I'm trying to land). I already know that I want a JZX100 so what to do? I've saved as much money as I could and hopefully in a year or so when the JZX100 becomes legal for import I'll get one.

ThunderCactus August 27th, 2010 00:22

bahaha
Nobody uses .12s, they're well known for destroying guns lol
360 on .12s is about 290-300 on .20s which is stock classic army or tokyo marui
FPS doesn't make a huge difference, you can have a 310fps rifle and a 400fps rifle with the same range.
But definitely save your money and buy something in the classifieds here. Do you research and by the time your 18 you'll know what you want, and what you need to stay away from!
Cheap guns will run your 200-300$, and a year later when it breaks or you want something better, it's probably not going to be worth 100$ lol
A 1yr old marui M4 starter package will be around 500$, use that for 2 years, then when you decide to buy something with a metal body, that starter kit will be worth around 480$
I sold a fully upgraded 6yr old marui G3SG1 with a metal body and 10 mags for $700. 6 YEARS!!!
That gun is almost 8 years old now and still going strong
Still in great condition too lol

The extra money is always worth it in airsoft!

Cyklops August 27th, 2010 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1304225)
bahaha
Nobody uses .12s, they're well known for destroying guns lol
360 on .12s is about 290-300 on .20s which is stock classic army or tokyo marui
FPS doesn't make a huge difference, you can have a 310fps rifle and a 400fps rifle with the same range.
But definitely save your money and buy something in the classifieds here. Do you research and by the time your 18 you'll know what you want, and what you need to stay away from!
Cheap guns will run your 200-300$, and a year later when it breaks or you want something better, it's probably not going to be worth 100$ lol
A 1yr old marui M4 starter package will be around 500$, use that for 2 years, then when you decide to buy something with a metal body, that starter kit will be worth around 480$
I sold a fully upgraded 6yr old marui G3SG1 with a metal body and 10 mags for $700. 6 YEARS!!! That gun is almost 8 years old now and still going strong
Still in great condition too lol

The extra money is always worth it in airsoft!

Yeah I think I might just upgrade my gear as of right now. I have a marpat boonie and desert combats on the way now which I ordered from ebay, I may go ahead and eventually order a set of marpats bdu's, tan knee pads and a tan tac vest. I love that setup, it looks so awesome. That or ill just buy a pair of woodland pants to go with my woodland jacket. Or ill buy a tigerstripe set, not entirely sure yet.

Styrak August 27th, 2010 02:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1304165)
Thing is, I don't want to buy a gun thats going to run me $200-$300 right now because....

$200-$300 is the absolute MINIMUM you should be spending on an airsoft gun.

cjboi August 27th, 2010 02:08

stay in school kids... you'll learn alot (college or university)

HKGhost August 27th, 2010 03:43

Play with what you have now and don't ungraded it. That's a waste of money. Save and keep on saving until you're 18 and AV'ed. Like said before, you'll know what guns you like and which to stay away from. Be patient and when the doors open, you will be rewarded. :)

Cyklops August 27th, 2010 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKGhost (Post 1304288)
Play with what you have now and don't ungraded it. That's a waste of money. Save and keep on saving until you're 18 and AV'ed. Like said before, you'll know what guns you like and which to stay away from. Be patient and when the doors open, you will be rewarded. :)

Yeah, I'd say thats what im going to do. If what I have breaks which it probably will im not sure what im going to do really. But will even be aloud to play with what I have right now?

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 20:36

Hey guys, I actually managed to find the gun im currently using and feel free to laugh lol.....its such a piece of junk, but my parents got it for me as a gift so I couldn't really do much. https://www.buyairsoft.ca/rifles/electric/m4-boys.html

ThunderCactus August 28th, 2010 21:05

lol yep, it's a real piece alright :D

Pyred August 28th, 2010 21:08

OMG why people are actually helping him... hes probably another kid..... man look at this gun its awesome i wish i could have one like this !!!!!!!

Oh wait i think walmart open at 9 on sunday right ???? lol

Please get age verified or stop asking for help !

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyred (Post 1305276)
OMG why people are actually helping him... hes probably another kid..... man look at this gun its awesome i wish i could have one like this !!!!!!!

Oh wait i think walmart open at 9 on sunday right ???? lol

Please get age verified or stop asking for help !

Why do you even care? Nobody forced you to read the thread, and nobody forced you to write anything at all....go complain somewhere else. And another kid? Try 17 bud, born July 7 1993, care to see my birth certificate or something!? You call me a kid and your getting on like one yourself.

R.I.T.Z August 28th, 2010 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyred (Post 1305276)
OMG why people are actually helping him... hes probably another kid..... man look at this gun its awesome i wish i could have one like this !!!!!!!

Oh wait i think walmart open at 9 on sunday right ???? lol

Please get age verified or stop asking for help !

why are we helping?

he's 17
seem to have a good head on his shoulders
he's asking questions, and seems to be learning from the answers provided
and gives off a maturity level much higher then you

keeps your stupid flaming comments to yourself, your attitude is not needed here.

Pyred August 28th, 2010 21:25

Well its against ths site to help underage people, but if you beleive hes 17 and you still want to help him then go.

But before i was AV i didnt get help at all because no one can confirm whats his real age is.

But hey you look to know what youre doing and your seam find to help someone under 18 it your decision buddy !

R.I.T.Z August 28th, 2010 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyred (Post 1305292)
Well its against ths site to help underage people, but if you beleive hes 17 and you still want to help him then go.

But before i was AV i didnt get help at all because no one can confirm whats his real age is.

But hey you look to know what youre doing and your seam find to help someone under 18 it your decision buddy !

actually its against the rules to "HELP A NON VERIFIED MEMBER ACQUIRE A GUN"
we can help him with gear questions, gun questions, accessory questions, technical questions etc... as long as nobody states where to BUY one that is fine.

seriously man get that chip off your shoulder before you try to skew the rules to support yourself

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyred (Post 1305292)
Well its against ths site to help underage people, but if you beleive hes 17 and you still want to help him then go.

But before i was AV i didnt get help at all because no one can confirm whats his real age is.

But hey you look to know what youre doing and your seam find to help someone under 18 it your decision buddy !

Ive seen better grammar and spelling in elementary school, but who I am to judge? I'm not even age verified so I can't be all high and mighty like yourself and talk down to new members. Also, as said by RITZ, they just can't help me aquire a gun which is a huge difference from talking about the quality of certain guns.

Pyred August 28th, 2010 21:34

Its all right i didnt want to start this sorry about that , lets end this.... and stop arguing on this i have my opinion on this you have yours.

its ok we can move on alright ?

Now ....


Every buck you spend on anything '' softair '' dosent worth a penny so save your money and As soon you get AV get a gun from the class or retailer here.

Pyred August 28th, 2010 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305300)
Ive seen better grammar and spelling in elementary school, but who I am to judge? I'm not even age verified so I can't be all high and mighty like yourself and talk down to new members. Also, as said by RITZ, they just can't help me aquire a gun which is a huge difference from talking about the quality of certain guns.

Ok talk about flamming ???????

I bet your french grammar is better my english buddy ?

R.I.T.Z August 28th, 2010 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305300)
Ive seen better grammar and spelling in elementary school, but who I am to judge? I'm not even age verified so I can't be all high and mighty like yourself and talk down to new members. Also, as said by RITZ, they just can't help me aquire a gun which is a huge difference from talking about the quality of certain guns.

his grammar and English could derive from his being from Quebec and French being his native language rather then English but lets put this past us and move onto what this thread is for shall we?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyred (Post 1305301)
.......blah blah blah.......
Every buck you spend on anything '' softair '' dosent worth a penny so save your money and As soon you get AV get a gun from the class or retailer here.

this is true.
Start saving your money, and run with what you've got at the moment, when it breaks it breaks, DON'T invest in a new clearsoft, hold onto your money and wait out the rest of your time until you're av'd. maybe buy some gear in the mean time. to be honest your looking at about 3-400$ on a decent started gun/package

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 21:41

I believe this hole situation was created by you and you alone, so why are you calling me out on something when I'm just simply defending myself because of your comments?

Well anyways, I didn't join this website the argue foolishly with some random person I've never met. I can here for advice, and to further enjoy the sport of airsoft with those that love it and take it as seriously as I.

And yes, I totally plan on not only leaving this situation behind me, but totally forgetting about it. Also, I apologize for the grammer remark, that was uncalled for on my part....I did not notice that he was from Quebec.

Also, RITZ, thats exactly what I plan on doing....buying all the gear I need first. As I still need a vest, new set of pants, and knee pads. Im also working on a ghillie suit so that should keep me busy for awhile!

Pyred August 28th, 2010 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z (Post 1305306)
his grammar and English could derive from his being from Quebec and French being his native language rather then English



this is true.
Start saving your money, and run with what you've got at the moment, when it breaks it breaks, DON'T invest in a new clearsoft, hold onto your money and wait out the rest of your time until you're av'd. maybe buy some gear in the mean time. to be honest your looking at about 3-400$ on a decent started gun/package


3-400 $ i agree and i must say its by far a minimum.... I would add to that at least 200 4 in equipement. I would say that 600 $ is by far a minimum to begin. ( eyes protection, gloves, vest ect... )

BTW i still think my english is better then your french lollll ok lets stop that. But hey here is another opinion get AV soon as possible because alot of people might act like i did because we are all tired or kids asking around. Ok i have wrote a litle fast about you and i am sorry about that but if you keep reading multiple thread you will understand that sometimes we get a litle frustrated !

Brokenwings August 28th, 2010 21:43

On top of that, it's against forum rules to post for nothing. Which you just did. Before you came, this post was completely drama free. thanks for ruining that. Here starts the drama.

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenwings (Post 1305311)
On top of that, it's against forum rules to post for nothing. Which you just did. Before you came, this post was completely drama free. thanks for ruining that. Here starts the drama.

We've forgotten about it, apologized and made up. Everything should be all good now.

pusangani August 28th, 2010 21:46

Somebody say drama?
 
I love how the guy that says whats on his mind gets heckled but y'all continue to help this kid who is breaking our rules.

Eeyore August 28th, 2010 21:51

@ Cyklops $600 is a good average starting point. Most new players spend everything on their first guns and forget to budget many other neccessaries. But as i've mentioned many times before shop around in the classifieds. My buddy bought his first gun for $190, it was a full black G&G that someone didn't use anymore. Just make smart decisions and you will be fine.

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeyore (Post 1305316)
@ Cyklops $600 is a good average starting point. Most new players spend everything on their first guns and forget to budget many other neccessaries. But as i've mentioned many times before shop around in the classifieds. My buddy bought his first gun for $190, it was a full black G&G that someone didn't use anymore. Just make smart decisions and you will be fine.

Alright that sounds good to me. I plan on joining the reserve force relatively soon so money will come in decently fast than. There is always the option of asking the parents for money for Christmas and other occasions and it shouldn't be long than. Oh, and here is a current list of all gear I have, Id like to know what else I really need.

-Paintball mask
-Goggles
-1 BDU jacket
-3 pairs of BDU pants
-Gloves
-Desert combat boots
-Boonie hat

R.I.T.Z August 28th, 2010 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305321)
Alright that sounds good to me. I plan on joining the reserve force relatively soon so money will come in decently fast than. There is always the option of asking the parents for money for Christmas and other occasions and it shouldn't be long than. Oh, and here is a current list of all gear I have, Id like to know what else I really need.

-Paintball mask
-Goggles
-1 BDU jacket
-3 pairs of BDU pants
-Gloves
-Desert combat boots
-Boonie hat

vest mags bbs loader batteries charger assorted tools optics boots

Eeyore August 28th, 2010 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305321)
Alright that sounds good to me. I plan on joining the reserve force relatively soon so money will come in decently fast than. There is always the option of asking the parents for money for Christmas and other occasions and it shouldn't be long than. Oh, and here is a current list of all gear I have, Id like to know what else I really need.

-Paintball mask
-Goggles
-1 BDU jacket
-3 pairs of BDU pants
-Gloves
-Desert combat boots
-Boonie hat

Thats a good start but you will also need:

battery ( at least one, two is better)
charger
magazines
bb loader
vest with pouches (or something else to carry gear in)
something to hold water,

And thats the minimum. Things like a sling, flashlight, radio and headset etc... are recommended. But the good news is that you dont have to buy it all at once. I can honestly say that if I were not a gun whore and purchased only one solid aeg and made smarter purchases I would still have spend over $1000for all my gear I currently use. But you'll learn after you play a bit what you absolutely need and what just makes life easier.

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z (Post 1305323)
vest mags bbs loader batteries charger assorted tools optics boots

Well I have plenty bbs, I have the loader also. I think soon as I get new pants ill buy the vest. Also has anybody ever considered wearing hunters camo?

posilon August 28th, 2010 22:31

i've worn a black cargo(511) and a dark shirt on my first game.
but i was carrying my beloved m4. that made the whole experience even better. though short-lived as my 40bucks goggles started fogging up.
now, it's a different setting.
good luck.

R.I.T.Z August 28th, 2010 22:34

well speaking from a guy who is essentially restarting airsoft next season...
My price range so far is looking like 400$ for gear, 100$ on mags, and 300$ on a gun

ThunderCactus August 28th, 2010 23:03

Pyred, have you even read this thread? We just went over everything your talking about....
And he seems to have gotten the message pretty clearly. Don't be picking on the underage guys that actually WANT to learn before they buy!

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Pyred August 28th, 2010 23:10

have you read what i have wrote aerlier before bringing this up yourself ?

here is a quote from PAGE 3

''But hey here is another opinion get AV soon as possible because alot of people might act like i did because we are all tired or kids asking around. Ok i have wrote a litle fast about you and i am sorry about that but if you keep reading multiple thread you will understand that sometimes we get a litle frustrated ! ''

Appologize have been made... so why you are bringing this up again ???????


i wonder whos trolling ... Damn it

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 23:13

Now I just need to decide which type of gun I will buy haha! M4, g36, m14? who knows! I want something cool looking, versatile, is able to use many attachement/easy to customize.

Eldin August 28th, 2010 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305347)
Now I just need to decide which type of gun I will buy haha! M4, g36, m14? who knows! I want something cool looking, versatile, is able to use many attachement/easy to customize.

If I were you, I would go with an m4/m16.

Most generic guns out there... You'll have no problems finding anything for it, and you can customize the living shit out of them because they're so generic :D

pusangani August 28th, 2010 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1305343)
Pyred, have you even read this thread? We just went over everything your talking about....
And he seems to have gotten the message pretty clearly. Don't be picking on the underage guys that actually WANT to wait until they are 18 before they buy!

fixed

R.I.T.Z August 28th, 2010 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305347)
Now I just need to decide which type of gun I will buy haha! M4, g36, m14? who knows! I want something cool looking, versatile, is able to use many attachement/easy to customize.

play style? your hieght?
the m14 is quite the big gun
so is the m16 and the g36E

though rails and attachments are available for all
to be honest it comes down to personal taste and preference. I'm going with an AK

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 23:22

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Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z (Post 1305353)
play style? your hieght?
the m14 is quite the big gun
so is the m16 and the g36E

though rails and attachments are available for all
to be honest it comes down to personal taste and preference. I'm going with an AK

Height? Im about 6'0 or 6'1, about 185 - 190 lbs, im not a small kid by any means. As for playstyle, I like to switch it up and it depends on the environment I'm in. Although, I usually like the play agressive, getting to the flank. I don't mind going solo or with just a few teammates to take the entire enemy team from behind. In other words, I like being stealthy, well concealed but yet quick, swift, smooth, tactical and always on the attack.

I also greatly enjoy messing with the minds of opponents, making them completely paranoid as to where I am.

R.I.T.Z August 28th, 2010 23:33

i'd suggest an armalite then to be honest.
versatile and a boatlod of parts and upgrades availavle

Cyklops August 28th, 2010 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z (Post 1305368)
i'd suggest an armalite then to be honest.
versatile and a boatlod of parts and upgrades availavle

Fair enough, sounds good to me. I also like knowing what the entire enemy team is doing without them knowing im even there, I guess you could say I can play recon as well. Maybe an smg could work too? Like an mp5 or ump 45?

redzaku August 28th, 2010 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305260)
Hey guys, I actually managed to find the gun im currently using and feel free to laugh lol.....its such a piece of junk, but my parents got it for me as a gift so I couldn't really do much. https://www.buyairsoft.ca/rifles/electric/m4-boys.html

that thing sucks, really suck, even though it a token of your parents (no offense)
my neighbor had one, the spring version, he and i broke it within 2 week
the stock snapped off, the charging handle couldn't pull the "bolt" back, so it snapped off,
so hope you better get a good one and keep that as a display for how awesome your parents to get you this

Cyklops August 29th, 2010 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by redzaku (Post 1305383)
that thing sucks, really suck, even though it a token of your parents (no offense)
my neighbor had one, the spring version, he and i broke it within 2 week
the stock snapped off, the charging handle couldn't pull the "bolt" back, so it snapped off,
so hope you better get a good one and keep that as a display for how awesome your parents to get you this

Actually a buddy of mine has the spring version also, and he has had it for over 2 years without a hitch...hit or miss I guess! And I'd imagine I can get them to get me a good one for Christmas this year considering its the only thing I really want and they have no idea what to get me even though its awhile away yet lol!

Boris the Blade August 29th, 2010 00:10

Check out the SCAR-L. It should be what your looking for, I'd recommend a VFC SCAR-L, you can get longer or shorter barrels for different games (indoor or outdoor). It also comes with a gun case (which you'll need), and has an extend-able/folding stock, is M4 mag compatible, has lots of rails for accessories, and has a pretty good mechbox out of the box. Its a little pricey, but you get what you pay for. Get age verified, and you'll be able to find out where to buy them and how much they cost.

Cyklops August 29th, 2010 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris the Blade (Post 1305396)
Check out the SCAR-L. It should be what your looking for, I'd recommend a VFC SCAR-L, you can get longer or shorter barrels for different games (indoor or outdoor). It also comes with a gun case (which you'll need), and has an extend-able/folding stock, is M4 mag compatible, has lots of rails for accessories, and has a pretty good mechbox out of the box. Its a little pricey, but you get what you pay for. Get age verified, and you'll be able to find out where to buy them and how much they cost.

I never even thought of a scar! I love the look of that gun so much, has a desert type of look to it, and I like the desert gear so much more than any other gear....shame there is no desert-like environment here :( Oh well

redzaku August 29th, 2010 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1305390)
Actually a buddy of mine has the spring version also, and he has had it for over 2 years without a hitch...hit or miss I guess! And I'd imagine I can get them to get me a good one for Christmas this year considering its the only thing I really want and they have no idea what to get me even though its awhile away yet lol!

did he use it to the extreme?
like climbing up a shed and sniping from it,
me and my buddy went ape sht tactical on it, playing scenarios from VIP, EOD and just plain fire fight with a spas shot gun, and those really small MP5 from walmart

Cyklops August 29th, 2010 13:55

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Originally Posted by redzaku (Post 1305536)
did he use it to the extreme?
like climbing up a shed and sniping from it,
me and my buddy went ape sht tactical on it, playing scenarios from VIP, EOD and just plain fire fight with a spas shot gun, and those really small MP5 from walmart

Yeah, he has used it quite a bit, nearly every day. Its been through a lot and it still works perfectly fine. And good news! I sold my old bmx bike for over $100 so that goes towards my new gun fund....im 1/3 the way there!

Brokenwings August 29th, 2010 15:00

Good stuff keep it up. don't ever fall in the hands of shitty brands man. Airsoft is EXPENSIVE. if you cant handle that, dont get into it. You seem to have it in your head and are going on the right track now. goodluck!

ps : dude...Boxxy is out of date. way. out of date. Like christ. makes me rage.

Cyklops August 29th, 2010 19:07

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Originally Posted by Brokenwings (Post 1305621)
Good stuff keep it up. don't ever fall in the hands of shitty brands man. Airsoft is EXPENSIVE. if you cant handle that, dont get into it. You seem to have it in your head and are going on the right track now. goodluck!

ps : dude...Boxxy is out of date. way. out of date. Like christ. makes me rage.

Thank you! I'm also going to be selling my psp as I never use the thing anymore and I could get well over a hundred bucks for that because of the stuff I have for it. And im not trying to sell stuff to get money for the gun, its just coincidence haha!

Tempest VI September 2nd, 2010 16:00

If you want a nice sexy gun. I'd get an AUG. Same style as the FAMAS, but better. Depending if you want the A1, A2, or A3 you can put your own scope/sight on the A2s and 3s. Downside is that mags are bigger than most and harder to find and more expesive. TM or CA is the best, but they go for $600-$700. My friend uses a JG AUG and says no problems with it. Not sure how much those are worth.

Cyklops September 2nd, 2010 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest VI (Post 1308586)
If you want a nice sexy gun. I'd get an AUG. Same style as the FAMAS, but better. Depending if you want the A1, A2, or A3 you can put your own scope/sight on the A2s and 3s. Downside is that mags are bigger than most and harder to find and more expesive. TM or CA is the best, but they go for $600-$700. My friend uses a JG AUG and says no problems with it. Not sure how much those are worth.

As of right now, im leaning towards the m4, and ak mostly. With the g36 and mp5 following closely behind.

Boris the Blade September 2nd, 2010 17:10

You can't go wrong with an AK. the weight is a sign of reliability. I've been using my dboys AK-74 and I've been nothing but impressed with it. Simple, easy to maintain, easy to get good mags, accurate, and solid as a rock. At $400 I think it's pretty damn good.

Cyklops September 2nd, 2010 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris the Blade (Post 1308619)
You can't go wrong with an AK. the weight is a sign of reliability. I've been using my dboys AK-74 and I've been nothing but impressed with it. Simple, easy to maintain, easy to get good mags, accurate, and solid as a rock. At $400 I think it's pretty damn good.

Having it being relaible is the quality im looking for most as well as a realistic size and weight/feel. Second would be power and accuracy, third being easy to obtain parts, add-ons etc. The ak seems to fit that. Does the reliablity of the real ak carry over to the airsoft versions?

Frankie September 2nd, 2010 17:56

Seconded on the AK. Much easier to find a reliable, full metal/wood AK than any other type. For 300-400$, you'll get a rifle that does the job, a V3 mechbox that'll live through puddles, marshes and snow banks and has loads of accessories. Do a search for images of tactical AK's if you're into the Western look (with rails and optics, etc.).

Your budget for getting into your first airsoft game next season, when you turn 18, should be a minimum of 800$. Some corners you can cut, some you absolutely cannot. *indicates where being cheap won't hurt anything but looks/comfort.

- 450 for a reliable full metal/wood Chinese AK, mags, sling, battery & BBs (try high quality Bio BB's - gone off the face of the Earth in 90 days vs. 3+ years. What? Might as well start off with good habits)
- 40 for a pair of low-end ballistic goggles (the ones you bought at Walmart probably won't protect your eyes from 400FPS at point blank from .28's, don't take that chance)
*- 80 for a good pair of waterproof combat boots with ankle support (you'll thank them more often than any other piece of gear)
- 50 for a usable radio (you'll need it if you're serious about milsim, which is the direction you seem to be headed with the BDUs and militaria fascination)
*- 100 for a low-end load bearing vest to carry all of that + hydration (you'll find yourself quickly running out of pockets)
*- 200 for 2 sets of BDUs that won't fade after the first wash (one tan, one green so you can join 95% of games - Propper is a good brand if you can't find issue)
- 80 for odds and ends on your first game, field fee + gas + way too much jerky, energy drinks, dried fruit and trail mix bars + pizza afterwards.

Optional but as a fellow newb, I'd recommend them : flashlight, compass, gloves, shemagh and bug juice. Lots and lots of bug juice. Don't forget a change of clothes, a first aid kit, 2 extra pairs of socks and PLENTY of water.

Oh, and brush your teeth. Stay in school, eat plenty of fruits and veggies. Mark the calendar days until you turn 18, and welcome to ASC!

/maternal instinct


Now get off my lawn! :)

Cyklops September 2nd, 2010 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1308645)
Seconded on the AK. Much easier to find a reliable, full metal/wood AK than any other type. For 300-400$, you'll get a rifle that does the job, a V3 mechbox that'll live through puddles, marshes and snow banks and has loads of accessories. Do a search for images of tactical AK's if you're into the Western look (with rails and optics, etc.).

Your budget for getting into your first airsoft game next season, when you turn 18, should be a minimum of 800$. Some corners you can cut, some you absolutely cannot. *indicates where being cheap won't hurt anything but looks/comfort.

- 450 for a reliable full metal/wood Chinese AK, mags, sling, battery & BBs (try high quality Bio BB's - gone off the face of the Earth in 90 days vs. 3+ years. What? Might as well start off with good habits)
- 40 for a pair of low-end ballistic goggles (the ones you bought at Walmart probably won't protect your eyes from 400FPS at point blank from .28's, don't take that chance)
*- 80 for a good pair of waterproof combat boots with ankle support (you'll thank them more often than any other piece of gear)
- 50 for a usable radio (you'll need it if you're serious about milsim, which is the direction you seem to be headed with the BDUs and militaria fascination)
*- 100 for a low-end load bearing vest to carry all of that + hydration (you'll find yourself quickly running out of pockets)
*- 200 for 2 sets of BDUs that won't fade after the first wash (one tan, one green so you can join 95% of games - Propper is a good brand if you can't find issue)
- 80 for odds and ends on your first game, field fee + gas + way too much jerky, energy drinks, dried fruit and trail mix bars + pizza afterwards.

Optional but as a fellow newb, I'd recommend them : flashlight, compass, gloves, shemagh and bug juice. Lots and lots of bug juice. Don't forget a change of clothes, a first aid kit, 2 extra pairs of socks and PLENTY of water.

Oh, and brush your teeth. Stay in school, eat plenty of fruits and veggies. Mark the calendar days until you turn 18, and welcome to ASC!

/maternal instinct


Now get off my lawn! :)

Alright, sounds good to me! I appreciate your advice! I already have some of things you've listed above. I have a paintball mask (very good quality), a extra set of goggles (old, good quality snowboarding goggles), I have 1 BDU jacket(US woodland), and 3 pairs of pants (ACU, US Desert Tri-Colour, Woodland Capats which are from the base near where I live), and lastly I have, well will be getting any day now a set of desert combat boots I ordered from ebay which I paid only $43.00 for :P They are high quality, military issue and brand new! I also have a boonie hat bought from ebay for just $10.00!

As soon as I get more money, I plan on buying a vest which I can get for $30.00 off ebay and possibly two sets of tiger stripe bdu's, one desert and one woodland. Its either that or might just buy us woodland pants to go with the jacket I currently own, and a desert jacket to go with the pants I own.

Frankie September 3rd, 2010 09:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1308783)
Alright, sounds good to me! I appreciate your advice! I already have some of things you've listed above. I have a paintball mask (very good quality), a extra set of goggles (old, good quality snowboarding goggles)

Goggles suitable for airsoft will be rated ANSI Z87.1. Snowboarding goggles might protect you from your current softair, but the likelihood of them shattering from a real AEG is a risk you don't wanna take. Teeth can be repaired, skin mends easily, but eyes... eyes are forever broken. Most fields (if not all) won't let you play with them anyways.

Paintball mask will protect you, but paintballers don't... how to put that nicely... eff it, paintballers don't aim much. The mask will get between you and your sights and impede your ability to aim quite drastically. That's a personal choice though, they're safe. Just not practical in any way.

Still, you're off to a good start with gear! :)

doc_pathfinders September 3rd, 2010 10:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris the Blade (Post 1308619)
the weight is a sign of reliability

you've been waiting for that line for far, far too long my friend..

:)

should i change my name to bullet-tooth tony i wonder..

Cyklops September 3rd, 2010 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1309015)
Goggles suitable for airsoft will be rated ANSI Z87.1. Snowboarding goggles might protect you from your current softair, but the likelihood of them shattering from a real AEG is a risk you don't wanna take. Teeth can be repaired, skin mends easily, but eyes... eyes are forever broken. Most fields (if not all) won't let you play with them anyways.

Paintball mask will protect you, but paintballers don't... how to put that nicely... eff it, paintballers don't aim much. The mask will get between you and your sights and impede your ability to aim quite drastically. That's a personal choice though, they're safe. Just not practical in any way.

Still, you're off to a good start with gear! :)

Yeah, I was planning on getting new goggles anyways because the lens is tinted orange (easier to see when snowboarding) and its alright in the day time, but when it starts to get dark I can't see a thing out. As for the paintball mask, the neck part on mine is longer than most so it is even harder to aim with. Also it loves to fog up on me at the worst times.

I'm thinking an army of two mask possibly? Whats your opinion on these? Ive heard positive and negative response but I think it would look awesome with my gear as well as the boonie I ordered!

R.I.T.Z September 3rd, 2010 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyklops (Post 1309193)
Yeah, I was planning on getting new goggles anyways because the lens is tinted orange (easier to see when snowboarding) and its alright in the day time, but when it starts to get dark I can't see a thing out. As for the paintball mask, the neck part on mine is longer than most so it is even harder to aim with. Also it loves to fog up on me at the worst times.

I'm thinking an army of two mask possibly? Whats your opinion on these? Ive heard positive and negative response but I think it would look awesome with my gear as well as the boonie I ordered!

the AO2 masks are cool, and dont fog up, but you run into the same issue bad cheek weld, also an issue is that some fields dont allow mesh goggles.
I run a pair of ESS clones, never fog up clear and look good.

Cyklops September 3rd, 2010 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z (Post 1309208)
the AO2 masks are cool, and dont fog up, but you run into the same issue bad cheek weld, also an issue is that some fields dont allow mesh goggles.
I run a pair of ESS clones, never fog up clear and look good.

Yeah, I guess ill make a decision in the coming days....nothing is more important in airsoft than proper eyewear! Im going to check out a few prices and whatnot and hopefully I can make some sorts of a decision !

Boris the Blade September 3rd, 2010 18:07

Additional points about AKs. The mechbox can withstand winter conditions, the dboys AK is built in such a way that there aren't many screws, just pins, so taking the mechbox out can be done in 10-20 seconds. Not that you'll have to do it often, but it's a nice feature if you are doing your own mods, and need to make adjustments.
As for attachments, if you can't tape 'em on, they dont belong there. Simplicity is king in my opinion. Do you really wanna be the guy with 10 lbs of tactical bullshit on your gun? Besides a flashlight and possibly optics for night ops, you shouldn't require any attachments. If you reaaaaaaally want accessories, you can get the front end with rails on it.
I've had M416s, SCARs, MP5Ks, UMPs, G36s, AUGs, TMPs, and about 3 kinds of AKs, and I've always gone back to the AK platform. Looks badass, feels comfortable, works great, and is easy to mod/maintain.

And yes I have been waiting to throw that in pathfinder :)

Cyklops September 3rd, 2010 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris the Blade (Post 1309236)
Additional points about AKs. The mechbox can withstand winter conditions, the dboys AK is built in such a way that there aren't many screws, just pins, so taking the mechbox out can be done in 10-20 seconds. Not that you'll have to do it often, but it's a nice feature if you are doing your own mods, and need to make adjustments.
As for attachments, if you can't tape 'em on, they dont belong there. Simplicity is king in my opinion. Do you really wanna be the guy with 10 lbs of tactical bullshit on your gun? Besides a flashlight and possibly optics for night ops, you shouldn't require any attachments. If you reaaaaaaally want accessories, you can get the front end with rails on it.
I've had M416s, SCARs, MP5Ks, UMPs, G36s, AUGs, TMPs, and about 3 kinds of AKs, and I've always gone back to the AK platform. Looks badass, feels comfortable, works great, and is easy to mod/maintain.

And yes I have been waiting to throw that in pathfinder :)

Ive always loved the Ak, from video games to real life there is just something about it. My friend on the other hand love the m4/m16 so were always butting heads on the age old discussion of which of the two is better. I love all russian stuff though :P. My ancestors were prisoners in siberia, that may have something to do with it hahaa and the fact I just bought a 5ftx3ft soviet russia flag the other day lol

Boris the Blade September 3rd, 2010 19:04

I'm from Moscow myself.
I had an AO2 mask, it was alright. Bio bb's and cheap bb's shatter and hit you in the eyes occaisonally, and I've seen another guy get the eyepiece shot out by a shotgun, so I don't recommend them. Get a DYE i4 mask, or a JT Spectra. They are the best masks on the market.
Also I'd recommend a AK-74 varient, because they are more modern, with scope mounts and interchangable furniture.

Cyklops September 3rd, 2010 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris the Blade (Post 1309262)
I'm from Moscow myself.
I had an AO2 mask, it was alright. Bio bb's and cheap bb's shatter and hit you in the eyes occaisonally, and I've seen another guy get the eyepiece shot out by a shotgun, so I don't recommend them. Get a DYE i4 mask, or a JT Spectra. They are the best masks on the market.
Also I'd recommend a AK-74 varient, because they are more modern, with scope mounts and interchangable furniture.

Should probably stay away from the ao2 masks than afterall! And personally id rather the classic ak with the wood stock and whatnot :D

Boris the Blade September 3rd, 2010 20:49

You can get the wood furniture version of the AK-74 from dboys. I have one, the only issue I have with it is that the sealant on the wood wears off after about 6 months of gaming. Not a big deal, but it's something to note. Other than that it still looks great

Cyklops September 3rd, 2010 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris the Blade (Post 1309316)
You can get the wood furniture version of the AK-74 from dboys. I have one, the only issue I have with it is that the sealant on the wood wears off after about 6 months of gaming. Not a big deal, but it's something to note. Other than that it still looks great

I will certainly note it.


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