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Brockavich July 27th, 2010 23:46

Non bullpup rifles?
 
I guess you could call em standard-layout rifles, but whatever you call them I've never been a huge fan of them. However I have always heard that they're more comfortable to shoot and get around with and you can get your muscles really tight.

Now, my AUG should be fine for outdoors, but I'm just curious as to how playing with a different rifle might feel.

However I don't like M4s. Everyone uses them. I just see way too many of them...

ANYWAYS, I've been looking at an HK416, a Bushmaster ACR, or an FNC/AK5. There's tons of brands and such to choose from though so I ask ya'll which one you'd recommend yourself?
Personally I'd prefer the AK5C looking something like this:
http://nl.dreamstime.com/ak5c-val-ge...umb5330217.jpg
but if you think there's a better rifle, let me know!


Thanks guys :)

Assault Pioneer July 28th, 2010 00:03

SA58 OSW, kinda looks like that gun and it's a classic army, not sure if your gun there is in airsoft flavour.

I have all different kinds of bullpup and normal rifles, even bullpup bolt action sniper rifles, I really see no difference except maybe the front end is a bit heavier, depends of the gun though.

and if they do anything to your muscles you gotta hit the bench bro, and stay at it for a long time

The Chad July 28th, 2010 00:06

Bullpups in real life are friggin great.......Airsoft? Kinda lopsided....I used a FAMAS for a game and didn't like the balance.

Short Round July 28th, 2010 00:12

Bullups are way more better for smaller people like myself IMO. I could not see myself carrying a M4 or a M249 out onto the field.

What about the Scar, G36 family?

Brockavich July 28th, 2010 00:30

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Originally Posted by Assault Pioneer (Post 1284299)
and if they do anything to your muscles you gotta hit the bench bro, and stay at it for a long time

No lol I mean you can make your muscles tighter because of the way the grips and such are and you can train your aim better, I didn't mean lifting one is a workout if thats what you think I said :P Like I mean getti9ng your forearm closer to your firing hand kind of thing, tightens up your muscles and prevents wobbly aim ;) see what I mean now?
Oh and I work outside all day doing construction/labor 40h a week, i get enough exercise as it is sir :D

and yeah I know bullpups IRL are totally different than airsoft. Longer barrel for same gun length = better tumble and fragmentation (using a 5.56 anyways)... But I like my AUG's balance, it's all in my shoulder.

The scar I could do maybe... the G36 family is always a pretty solid choice. If anything I would go for the G36K (with the classic raised sight, not the rail), unless you would say otherwise


Let me be clear here guys, I'm asking what your personal favorite standard rifle is and why you would recommend it? My ideas were just things I was daydreaming about. But the more suggestions the merrier! DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON MY LIST ;)

The Chad July 28th, 2010 00:36

M4.........easy.

Versatile, sexy, abundant, easy to get parts for, sexy, powerful, accurate, sexy............sexy

oh and, I keep my arms as close to my body as possible. There is no issues doing so with an M4 IMO.

thpethalK July 28th, 2010 00:46

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Originally Posted by Najohn (Post 1284306)
Bullups are way more better for smaller people like myself IMO. I could not see myself carrying a M4 or a M249 out onto the field.

What about the Scar, G36 family?

Carrying an M4 and a 249 are wayyy different lol

To the OP
In all honesty...you have the luxury in airsoft of choosing a rifle that you enjoy...so pick something you like cuz you're gonna spend lots of money and time on it. Personally, I enjoy the real estate of lots of rails...and I was never one for bullpup design. So naturally I lean toward an Armalite platform. If you can get your hands on a VFC 416...that'd be my top choice...

GBear July 28th, 2010 00:50

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Originally Posted by Najohn (Post 1284306)
Bullups are way more better for smaller people like myself IMO. I could not see myself carrying a M4 or a M249 out onto the field.

What about the Scar, G36 family?

What are you talking about? The M4 is tiny and nowhere comparable to a M249 rofl. I actually don't really like M4's much but definitely would LOVE a VFC SOPMOD with tan covers and a few tan accessories. IMO, a very sexy gun. I would think the SCAR is a bit bigger, still very nice.

Evans July 28th, 2010 00:56

I think AK-74s are pretty sexy. If you aren't into AKs, I suggest a G36K.

Short Round July 28th, 2010 01:11

Well let me tell you then although I love almost all bullups, I must say the Scar, G36 (can be converted to a XM8 which I also love) and HK 416 would be my standard assault rifle of choice just cause all 3 offer a different look then the M4/M16(hate the M16, would rather hit people with a stick then use this).

All three can A) be customized like crazy, so many parts available for all models B) I can think of atleast 1 company that produces amazing versions of each of those 3 guns and C) its not a M16.

Now if you haven't seen the zombie hunter M4 go look that up on airsoft Gi that is a sweet looking thing I wish I got if only the pond of funds weren't so low. That is the only M4 I personally like.

Oh forgot almost, M14's are so sexy. Its a M1 grand modernized into a beautiful peace of weaponry. My weapon of choice for a zombie apocalypse

Also ACRs or Masadas are a sweet gun as well however price range from them is a bit high. Atleast for me, maybe not for you though.

Disco_Dante July 28th, 2010 10:55

Look into Sig's SG55x line.

skalnok July 28th, 2010 11:05

g36 series... i had 2 and sold them both.... now i fully regret it because i like them way better than my m4.

m102404 July 28th, 2010 11:52

For "other" rifles (that are not sub-guns)....

KA FAL's are great (go full stock)...CA's FAL are a fail 'cause you can't get mid cap mags for it (otherwise a great rifle).

KA Galil's are great too. Haven't seen a bad one yet. ICS' version is ok...but no where near the same fit/finish.

CA G3 variants....awesome...go with full stock for big battery

249's are great (heavy though...get a BFG SAW sling)

Personally I have never cared for any AK except for the short AKS74U...and the Galil which is AK-esque.

VFC makes a solid SCAR...personally I think the SCAR looks ugly...but they work well.

If you can manage it TM M14 (not CA/G&G). The regular one and the shorter SOCOM are kick ass.

DO NOT like the SIG55x stuff...battery placement sucks balls.

DO NOT like G36 series (I've had 4 of them over the years) solely because of the honking big mags

DanoftheDead July 28th, 2010 12:33

I'd suggest something from the AK family, if you're looking for small go with a spetz.

Styrak July 28th, 2010 12:37

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Originally Posted by DanoftheDead (Post 1284682)
I'd suggest something from the AK family, if you're looking for small go with a spetz.

Yeah I just changed from using an TM AUG for 3 years, to a CYMA AKS74U and I love it. (I'm not a small guy either)

Not that the AUG was bad or anything, I just wanted to change.

Assault Pioneer July 28th, 2010 12:49

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Originally Posted by Brockavich (Post 1284336)
No lol I mean you can make your muscles tighter because of the way the grips and such are and you can train your aim better, I didn't mean lifting one is a workout if thats what you think I said :P Like I mean getti9ng your forearm closer to your firing hand kind of thing, tightens up your muscles and prevents wobbly aim ;) see what I mean now?
Oh and I work outside all day doing construction/labor 40h a week, i get enough exercise as it is sir :D

AH I see, yes this does happen, you does go pretty solid with some guns.

IRL bullpups are great but they do have drawbacks that keep them from being the new standard rifle design, ever fired one? holy shit the action is right under your ear they are loud and can actually throw off the equilibrium in your ear (what controls balance) cause it will shake the shit out of your semicircular's, having the action a little forward like in standard rifles makes a huge difference. the ejection port is also in the way for lefties, guns fired shell ejects right into the user's face.


my recomendation is a WE/AWSS KAC PDW. It's my baby, I have the realistic open bolt version and their powerfull like you wouldn't believe, I use .25's and get huge range out of it very good for bush fighting when you have to shoot through grass. it's also small, very light, and compact, this is good for bush fighting as it won't get hung up on anything. in airsoft it's much more than a pdw, on hot days I used sniper rules on it and gave it a big MED and it ran awesome, it's like an ultra small semi auto sniper (it does have full auto I never use it though, I've seen what one shot can do to someones forehead I'd hate to zip someone there)

Kos-Mos July 28th, 2010 16:43

If you likes bullpup, they you might prefer a G36 over an M4 variant.

The carry handle optic is really horrible to use on all models avalaible... Had a Star, CA, Ares and SRC over the years... all of then are bad for the optics.

A G36K is about the same lenght and weight distribution as a M4A1 with the stock open.

I currently have an MG36 (from SRC) with a flat top rail and 38mm scope (cheap one but works awesome for airsoft... way better than the stock one).

I have yet to find someone with one on the field. I see 2-3 M249s at the time, but never MG36s. They are also a lot lighter than any other support weapon out there... about the same weight as a full metal M16...barely more than your AUG.

And you have the option of having a bunch of extra external parts to convert it to anything you want. I have a G36K rail front end, fluted bull barrel and SL9 mags for sniping, and a regular K barrel with a G5 flash hider ans silencer, M4 mag adapter and mags for assault days. Takes 3 minutes and two pins to change the configuration (I keep the K lenght tightbore all the time).

The ONLY drawback I have with G36s that way is the battery space. I either run a stock pouch (cannot close the stock since I put it on the right side... but I never do anyways) or a LiPo in the foregrip when sniping (PEQ-15 box).

HeadlessChicken July 28th, 2010 17:02

I love my G36 but as Tyson mentioned, mags are bulky, nearly 2x the thickness of M4 mags but thankfully you can opt for a magwell converter that will let you run M4 mags on a G36. Not the prettiest thing and some magwell converters are sometimes picky with what brand of mags you use but you'll be able to carry twice as many mags which could come in handy with games running realcap.

I also agree with Kos-Mos about battery space. They all run the batteries in the handguard and theres very little space for a large type battery. There is only 1 stock I know of that'll hold a custom battery for a G36 or again, you can opt for an M4 stock adapter to run a more standard crane stock battery. Hes also right about the stock optics, they all suck and the gun doesn't have iron sights unless you get the C style top rail.

Now at the end of all this, you've pretty much turned a G36 into quirky looking M4 hybrid which in your opinion may or may not be something you fancy but it'll definitely be a uniquely aesthetic weapon on the field.

mr_nuts31 July 28th, 2010 18:13

I would love to use a bullpup rifle, but I can't do much cuz im left handed and a lot of them are set up for right handers only

kalnaren July 28th, 2010 19:31

I love the G36 series. I'm using an SL-9 right now primarily. It's big (bigger than a G3-SG1), but light as heck and rare as hell too.

M4's are ok... but everyone and their mother has one.

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Originally Posted by mr_nuts31 (Post 1284972)
I would love to use a bullpup rifle, but I can't do much cuz im left handed and a lot of them are set up for right handers only

:confused:

99% of bullpups are ambidextrous.

Coresair July 28th, 2010 19:39

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Originally Posted by Disco_Dante (Post 1284605)
Look into Sig's SG55x line.

+1 to that, you don't really see those often on the fields, also it's not enough uncommon that you won't get an okay choice of parts

and nobody mentionned it but what about a H&K G3 ?

Nik12 July 28th, 2010 21:37

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Originally Posted by mr_nuts31 (Post 1284972)
I would love to use a bullpup rifle, but I can't do much cuz im left handed and a lot of them are set up for right handers only

I've just swapped my MP5 for a FAMAS and must say, FAMAS's are basically symmetrical along the shooting plane. So are many other bullpups as far as I know. The only thing a lefty would have an issue with would be the trigger lock, which isn't that big of an issue.


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Originally Posted by Coresair (Post 1285026)
nobody mentionned it but what about a H&K G3 ?

+1, it is basically an MP5, so most MP5 accessories and aftermarket parts will fit it. Plus I've seen alot of neat things done with G3s.

ThunderCactus July 28th, 2010 22:01

AK74, G3 SG1, but nothing will beat the tactical performance of a good old M4 :D
Problem is 9/10 people haven't the slightest damn clue on how to use an M4 properly lol

Ninja_En_Short July 28th, 2010 22:21

As for I like a lot the G36 but I always change the magwell so I can use M4 mags, way easier to pull out of pockets.
I would like to finally see an HK417 in airsoft I use one for medium range target shooting.
For CQB, TAR-21 seriously rocks but it lacks modularity and bulpup aren't ambidextrous on a very annoying thing : the ejection port, I always get a brass in the shirt with them (I'm jinxed on that, yes)...


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