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SlyzzX July 9th, 2010 22:33

Does the "quality" of the airsoft gun really make a huge difference?
 
hey guys,

I'm a 15 year old from Ontario just wondering if the quality of the gun really makes a difference. I mean, i have shot airsoft guns before in the States and it was really fun but i didnt really get the idea that the higher quality guns shot a lot more accurately than the cheaper guns. Call me a dumb ass but i dnt really know the way the guns work so im just wondering... if you had a great quality gun, and a Cheap gun, would there be a massive impact on the actual affect of the guns (airsoft guns)?

PS: First post/Thread ever on ASC, sorry if it's a little long too :oops:

Rugger_can July 9th, 2010 22:40

Yes

Qlong July 9th, 2010 23:23

Same logic applies to prostitutes, I wouldn't cheap out, I don't want to be like, "WTF is this" in the end with parts prematurely falling off all over the place. Then BAM! Suddenly there's a ***** in your face!

So pay a bit more or you'll get more ***** then you initially expected.

Con Murder July 9th, 2010 23:28

The world of hobbies has a very nice saying, you get what you pay for. That is a good way to measure things you choose for your self. In your first car, your first pair of sunglasses, first house and grocery list;)

Ninja_En_Short July 9th, 2010 23:30

Just know that a high price doesn't mean high quality all the time.

If you go for VFC, well yes, it's worth your money.

ICS ? Errr... just the gearbox I have opened on my desk is an insult to the gods of Airsoft and gun doc. And you don't want to piss this guy.

China made ? Surprinsingly good for some, even extremely good sometime.
Just consult people before buying and you should be at ease.

SlyzzX July 9th, 2010 23:44

hey thanks a lot guys ahah im loving the connections really helping getting a picture in my mind LOL.

oh and i've done a bit of research and im just wondering on your guys own opinion if i could get in a few matches when I turn 16? Im guessing it would all depend on the host and what not?

Shrike July 10th, 2010 00:15

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Originally Posted by SlyzzX (Post 1271129)
hey thanks a lot guys ahah im loving the connections really helping getting a picture in my mind LOL.

oh and i've done a bit of research and im just wondering on your guys own opinion if i could get in a few matches when I turn 16? Im guessing it would all depend on the host and what not?

Fill in your profile of where you live and we can help more.

SlyzzX July 10th, 2010 00:26

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Originally Posted by Shrike (Post 1271153)
Fill in your profile of where you live and we can help more.

There you go man and thanks

Skruface July 10th, 2010 00:27

Well, put it this way.....

Quality always makes a difference. It doesn't matter if you're talking TV's, golf clubs, motorcycles, or airsoft guns.

You'll never get the same performance out of a cheap knockoff as you will out of a gun that was built for performance right from the factory. It's like deciding you want to get into road racing, and asking if you should spend top dollar to buy a Subaru WRX STi (a car designed for road racing), or if you could get by with a Renault Le Car (a car that should never have been built in the first place).

SlyzzX July 10th, 2010 00:31

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Originally Posted by Skruface (Post 1271164)
Well, put it this way.....

Quality always makes a difference. It doesn't matter if you're talking TV's, golf clubs, motorcycles, or airsoft guns.

You'll never get the same performance out of a cheap knockoff as you will out of a gun that was built for performance right from the factory. It's like deciding you want to get into road racing, and asking if you should spend top dollar to buy a Subaru WRX STi (a car designed for road racing), or if you could get by with a Renault Le Car (a car that should never have been built in the first place).

thanks man, your right im just really new to the airsoft scene (coming from 5 years of paintball) and I like to really learn about something before i start so i like to ask a lot of questions :P

M4A1lover July 10th, 2010 03:11

wait till your 18 and can get AVed mate.there is a 18+ policy for giving out information on were to get guns and what not so until then sit back read a lot on this site and do research. believe me you can learn a lot just by looking around and reading the FAQs, for me November cant come fast enough.

Rugger_can July 10th, 2010 03:12

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Originally Posted by SlyzzX (Post 1271165)
thanks man, your right im just really new to the airsoft scene (coming from 5 years of paintball) and I like to really learn about something before i start so i like to ask a lot of questions :P

There's one lesson that you can learn that money sadly can buy. Quality and Cost are not necessarily co-dependent.

SlyzzX July 10th, 2010 03:33

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Originally Posted by M4A1lover (Post 1271239)
wait till your 18 and can get AVed mate.there is a 18+ policy for giving out information on were to get guns and what not so until then sit back read a lot on this site and do research. believe me you can learn a lot just by looking around and reading the FAQs, for me November cant come fast enough.

yah man i hear you i guess it's just learning and trips to the States and hopefully by the time im 18 il be ready... oh and you lucky S***! ahah. :tup:

SlyzzX July 10th, 2010 03:35

:(
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugger_can (Post 1271241)
There's one lesson that you can learn that money sadly can buy. Quality and Cost are not necessarily co-dependent.

Thanks man thats actually a really immportant comment, but a depressing one at that... :banghead:

ThunderCactus July 11th, 2010 16:24

Well you have to be a good shot first to know the difference lol
Like, your going to learn how to drive soon. Drive a brand new dodge ram 1500, then go drive a base model hyundai accent, then go drive a volkswagen jetta highline.
Your going to think they all drive really really nice, but for someone who's been driving for 20 years, they all drive way differently.

Anyway, quality is really important. Especially when it comes to upgrading. Most cheaper guns are only 70% compatible with upgrade parts 50% of the time.
And the other really huge benefit to quality is durability. My G&P 249 is worth $600 more than a classic army 249. Because it's made of better steel, you can run trip and fall flat on the BOX MAG and it will not break.
You look at a STAR M249 the wrong way and it's front sight breaks off lol

Helbino July 11th, 2010 17:45

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1272011)
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You look at a STAR M249 the wrong way and it's front sight breaks off lol

I'll keep that in mind if I ever get shot at by one.

ThunderCactus July 11th, 2010 19:34

There was a time 4 years ago when upgrading guns in Manitoba was considered taboo, mainly due to the fact nobody knew how to do it properly.
Anyway the rule of engagement for LMG's used to be "wait till it breaks, then charge"

SHaKaL July 11th, 2010 19:46

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Originally Posted by Ninja_En_Short (Post 1271124)

ICS ? Errr... just the gearbox I have opened on my desk is an insult to the gods of Airsoft and gun doc. And you don't want to piss this guy.

I owned a ICS m4a1 for 3 years (bought in 2005) and maybe 20000 bbs fired and never had any problems with it... Only changes i made were the bushing, spring guide and piston head... didn't even change the piston or spring.

Pliskin July 11th, 2010 22:52

Basically there are several companies you will learn to love. TM is one of the best, I've always liked CA and G&P, but then you get into the clones like JG and KWA(Correct me if I'm wrong about KWA).

Of course TM will be a higher cost because of its higher reliability and everyone just loves them. (Cost also depends on the model of the guns).

SlyzzX July 23rd, 2010 04:03

thanks a lot thundercactus for all the help and everyone else :)

AngelusNex July 23rd, 2010 05:45

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Originally Posted by Pliskin (Post 1272286)
Of course TM will be a higher cost because of its higher reliability and everyone just loves them. (Cost also depends on the model of the guns).

an FYI, this is a fairly biased comment. If you look at TM objectively next to JG you'll realize the only real difference is TM's higher quality control in the factory. I (as a gun doc) can't bring myself to spend the 2x the cash just for a gun that is 1/10 as likely to break when the cheaper one + replacement parts is still cheaper. (however if you factor in gun doc costs then maybe higher but it's free for me)

Reckless July 25th, 2010 00:14

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Originally Posted by AngelusNex (Post 1280769)
an FYI, this is a fairly biased comment. If you look at TM objectively next to JG you'll realize the only real difference is TM's higher quality control in the factory. I (as a gun doc) can't bring myself to spend the 2x the cash just for a gun that is 1/10 as likely to break when the cheaper one + replacement parts is still cheaper. (however if you factor in gun doc costs then maybe higher but it's free for me)


I'm very very close to this (and I've just entered the ring as gundoc) .. as I see every stock gun entering my collection as the start of a project. I pretty much never buy something to leave it stock and game it. I just picked up a clone M14 because I liked the stock, the guts are being completely replaced, and I knew that buying it.

the only thing I could think of performance wise I would consider leaving stock and gaming is the TM pistols ..leaving modifications for when something breaks

that being said.. I put together a nearly stock TM mp5 for a friend, and it still rocks over other heavily upgraded guns, the parts fit, hop up etc are fantastic.

so all I'm saying in this long winded post (lol) is yes you get what you pay for, TOTAL .. if you cheap out on the gun, your gonna pay for it later in upgrades and/or gundoc costs. however that only goes to a point, my M14 should be side by side to an upgraded TM m14 but it'll cost less

L473ncy July 25th, 2010 01:14

I'll say this. Being young and inexperience is something that we all went through. So don't let that get you down, we're saying you're an idiot but it's a good thing that you actually take the time to listen and contemplate this advice unlike most other minors that we see here. If you play your cards right and introduce yourself to the local scene (just ask nicely if you can sit in on a game) you'll find that a lot of doors will open up for you. First day might just be a meet and greet and playing as a spectator or as a camera man. If people decide after that "hey this kid is pretty good and asks a lot of thoughtful questions, maybe we should loan him a gun next time and let him play" then you're pretty much in and it's smooth sailing from there (but you still have to have a good attitude and be well behaved).

For me I would take the posts here to saying that yes you should buy quality to a point. Would you buy a solidly built rally car just for daily driving? Probably not so the same goes for airsoft and other hobbies. Basically you don't "need" to buy a PTW or something like that but it's always nice to have. What you need is something reliable and within a reasonable budget. I suggest that the $400-550 budget is a good start (that is gun only, maybe a few mid/low cap mags and a cheapo red dot scope). After that, your paintball goggles can be used for airsoft, and if you have BDU's and they're relatively clean and stain free from the paint then put them on and bring whatever else you think you need (first time might be OK to store mags in your pockets but it's better to get a vest or belt to hold your mags afterwards maybe you can ask if anyone is selling an extra vest and borrow/buy it off them).

Do I "need" to buy a Selmer sax when I was in my high school band? Probably not since I'd only be playing for a few years. Did I but the cheapest POS sax that was available? No. I ended up buying an off brand which was pretty good and I tried it out and really liked the tone, I pretty much got it for a steal but the only problem was that the metal I wasn't sure what it was made of and seemed to be kind of thin/cheap and really easily malleable but who am I to complain if the tone is really nice.

Brian McIlmoyle July 25th, 2010 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlyzzX (Post 1271081)
hey guys,

I'm a 15 year old from Ontario just wondering if the quality of the gun really makes a difference. I mean, i have shot airsoft guns before in the States and it was really fun but i didnt really get the idea that the higher quality guns shot a lot more accurately than the cheaper guns. Call me a dumb ass but i dnt really know the way the guns work so im just wondering... if you had a great quality gun, and a Cheap gun, would there be a massive impact on the actual affect of the guns (airsoft guns)?

PS: First post/Thread ever on ASC, sorry if it's a little long too :oops:


OK, you are a dumb ass

Neckroz July 25th, 2010 22:44

from personal experience when i first got into the sport i should have really bought a higher quality gun from the get go, because i found that i was pumping way more money into upgrading my guns internals to be competative with other guns. I originaly had a GG well (clone TM i believe?) however now i call it a custom project cause really the only thing left from the original gun is the rail system. as previously stated YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. do lots of reaserch on the type of gun you are looking to buy and once you have that reaserch the brands that make them, REVIEWS ARE YOUR FRIEND! hope this helps

deep in the bush July 25th, 2010 22:47

In 3 years time you will have saved up plenty of money to aquire a fine Airsoft product. Enjoy the forums and read up as things change month to month.

SlyzzX July 27th, 2010 18:23

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Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1282199)
OK, you are a dumb ass

hey I don't know you so I'm not going to try and pick a fight with you but I'm going to say that I am no "dumb ass"... i finished my grade in the top four highest graded students for my year with a 94%, and I'm in the 91.1 percentile of reasoning and knowledge for my age. Just because I really want to learn about airsoft so I'm asking basic questions in the NOOB section of this forum why should you insult me.

EDIT: Just re-read my first post and now i DO feel like a dumb ass, I obviously forgot that i almost welcomed the idea of being called one by adding it... so im just saying i guess it was'nt such a rude comment as i had percieved at first.

Brian McIlmoyle July 27th, 2010 18:43

Hmm there may be a lesson here somewhere...

pusangani July 27th, 2010 18:45

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Originally Posted by SlyzzX (Post 1283999)
hey I don't know you so I'm not going to try and pick a fight with you but I'm going to say that I am no "dumb ass"... i finished my grade in the top four highest graded students for my year with a 94%, and I'm in the 91.1 percentile of reasoning and knowledge for my age. Just because I really want to learn about airsoft so I'm asking basic questions in the NOOB section of this forum why should you insult me.

EDIT: Just re-read my first post and now i DO feel like a dumb ass, I obviously forgot that i almost welcomed the idea of being called one by adding it... so im just saying i guess it was'nt such a rude comment as i had percieved at first.

hehehehhehe

SlyzzX July 27th, 2010 18:47

LOL yea man sorry :$

who101 July 28th, 2010 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by TunderCactus (Post 1272011)
My G&P 249 is worth $600 more than a classic army 249.

where did youu get this
please don't say classifieds
if so
where did the person you bought it from get it

kullwarrior July 28th, 2010 02:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by who101 (Post 1284398)
where did youu get this
please don't say classifieds
if so
where did the person you bought it from get it

as mentioned before WE CANNOT TELL YOU asides from Classified. If you get verified we will talk.

who101 July 28th, 2010 02:41

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1284402)
as mentioned before WE CANNOT TELL YOU asides from Classified. If you get verified we will talk.

just say "yes" or "no" if yes you got them from the classifieds then I will shut up, suck in my gut, wait 3 yrs till I am 18, get AV'ed, then buy it. If "no" then would please kindly tell me wear you got this gun
this is not some govermant consparicy
this is AirSoft Cannada, not Area 51
so you don't have to be a hard a*s
you are not a goverment agent
relaxe

Strelok July 28th, 2010 02:44

Dude.

Its the forum rules, people have their means to get guns and we have our choice not to give you this information for the safety of our sport. We get a ton of buttfuck kidiots that have nothing better to do but bitch and whine about the fact they cant get a shiny new full metal/black gun, chances are they're just gonna take off to the local park with it or some stupid shit like that.

Wait 'til you're age verified. This is what this whole forum mandates, there simply is NO getting around it.

If you dont like it, leave. Or you can take the time to read the rules and understand WHY we act this way.

(Edit: Yes. He probably got it from the classifieds. From here, or another local forum. We have our means.)

Rugger_can July 28th, 2010 03:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by who101 (Post 1284423)
just say "yes" or "no" if yes you got them from the classifieds then I will shut up, suck in my gut, wait 3 yrs till I am 18, get AV'ed, then buy it. If "no" then would please kindly tell me wear you got this gun
this is not some govermant consparicy
this is AirSoft Cannada, not Area 51
so you don't have to be a hard a*s
you are not a goverment agent
relaxe

Hey man.

Listen I know its hard finding airsoft when your underage.

If your impatient about waiting to buy airsoft then check out this great website geared for people your age in the Hamilton area.

who101 July 28th, 2010 03:40

LOL
all in good fun :)

kullwarrior July 28th, 2010 04:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by who101 (Post 1284423)
just say "yes" or "no" if yes you got them from the classifieds then I will shut up, suck in my gut, wait 3 yrs till I am 18, get AV'ed, then buy it. If "no" then would please kindly tell me wear you got this gun
this is not some govermant consparicy
this is AirSoft Cannada, not Area 51
so you don't have to be a hard a*s
you are not a goverment agent
relaxe

Keep this attitude up you're be up in the banned list.

FYI, feel free to search my post two years past. I wasn't better than any other newbies out there back then. I got flamed and hated before. I could name a few, most of those hate stop when you start being productive and stop being annoying. (av helps as it tell you're committed).

TokyoSeven July 28th, 2010 05:40

I believe this thread has served its purpose.

As for you who101, please refrain from asking, whining about, bitching and moaning or begging for information in regards to where to purchase an airsoft gun. No one is going to share any of this information with you until you are the age of majority. That is just how things are on this website, if you don't like it please feel free to leave.


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