silencer n00b!
 

Hi everyone im new here! I started playing airsoft not so long ago (Ip^layed paintball for 10 years now recball and speedball mostly... Im looking to put a silencer on my g&G gr15 (m416) because you know electric guns dont make boom! so a silencer would fit more with the electric motor sound.. Does the silencers affect the range precision of the gun by anyway do they act like putting a longer barrel like paintguns and giving more precision??

thx for your help and sorry for my bad english!

Zk08

Silencers/Supressors change the report of the sound, they dont muffle it.

Furthermore, 90% of the noise you hear from your AEG is from the motor in your grip, not from the barrel.

Well, I put a silencer on my S-552...

I did not however put a longer barrel on it...

It now shoots in every possible direction except for where I am aiming.

If I intend on "killing" anything I have 2 choices: A) Buy a longer barrel / B) remove the silencer.

Now, in reality, with the original barrel it did perform well in reducing the muzzle "pop" of the gun but the mechbox and motor still make the majority of noise.

Esthetically speaking, it look great... but if you want to survive, stand directly in front of me.

Cheers

Or add sorbo pads.

Silencers by themselves actually decrease accuracy it's best to buy a longer inner barrel then put a silencer to hide it.

How exactly do they decrease accuracy?

The inside of the silencer chamber distorts the aerodynamics of the BB... Once the BB comes out of the barrel, the remaining air behind it bursts into the chamber (nowhere else to go) and that disruption reduces your accuracy...

With a simple muzzle, the air behind the BB disperses into the surrounding air harmlessly


Or at least that's what I see in my mind...

without an inner barrel because the inside of a silencer is slightly wider the rounds as they pass through spinning from the hopup will create a vacuum effect inside the silencer and pull themselves to the inner walls, bouncing off and altering trajectory. the round is now unstable and it a new flight path, often sideways. thats why it's key to put a longer innerbarrel to flush with the silencer to keep the round moving nicely

ok so silencers dont work as barrel enhancement.. i just tough it would look cool and fit with the electric motor sound... thx guys!

while still on this topic can I ask; would they work on gbb guns then? since they operate without a motor and more like a real gun

Nope, same deal I would imagine

I've got a suppressor for my MP5 and P90 and no extended barrel. Both guns have a seriously loud report normally, and the suppressor muffles the sound nicely. It's far from being silent, but the difference in volume is quite noticeable.

And I've yet to see any difference in accuracy in either gun with or without the suppressor installed.

Suppressors do not really do anything to change AEG performance. They will not enhance range or anything like that. Aesthetically though supressors are sometimes used to hide longer inner barrels. Sound does change slightly when using a suppressor its nothing massively significant but it is a definite noticeable change.

As noted above the majority of sound that a person hears is the whine of the motor.

ARMS magazine 2010 issue January did a test

most silencers reduced overall noise of the gun by an average of 10db, regular noise = 88db, and it would go down to 76~79db with any length of silencer.

I have an array of suppressors from a PBS-4 for the AK to a AAC for the SCAR and they all change what folks at the receiving end hear and also do not affect accuracy. The AK one is particularly nice at this. There is also nice little Knights Armament Co SOCOM for a USP GBBB in the toolbox that works fine also.

These are all dry, anyone tested wet yet?

And as noted before, this is what the person in the To: line of the shot hears, not the Sender.

my hk silencer decreases my fps by up to 50 fps. i've tried in on a few of my aegs and it has the same affect.

looks like a good idea!

silencer n00b!
 

I must be doing something wrong then as my aeg's gbb's or gbbr don't lose significant accuracy to notice or warrent a longer inner barrel.

My silencer does a great job of hiding my inner barrel :D

Silent AND deadly!
 

after playing since late 2002, and committing wholeheartedly with my friends, the only issue I have had 2 issues with silencers {1} They're stuffed with too much foam, and obstructing the BBs path. {2} If the silencer is installed wrong and obstructing the BBs path.

I have had lots of different silencers slip through my hands over the years... personally I would go with a QD (Quick detach) system if you want to throw it on mid-game to snipe some one, and a screw-on if you're going to use it as a barrel shroud, or if you're going to leave it on permanently.

All of the Silencers that you would buy on line are, Or should be "mock" silencers. The reason? since they are 1:1 (or the same size as the real silencers) and many have trademarks of various silencer producer making them look like the real thing. In Many states (provinces, countries and kingdoms [did I leave anyone out?]) it is Illegal to have a Silencer with out a license. If it silences a real gun-even by 1db, then it is technically a silencer, and you can face criminal charges, fines, and jail time depending on the state, and the implications...

In my experience most "mock" silencers can easily be disassembled and stuffed with foam to quiet the 'POP' of the airsoft gun. I would advise doing this at your own risk...
having said that I have done it to both of the silencers I've owned, and helped my friends to do the same. an un-foamed out-of-the-box "silencer" will muffle the "POP" a little and mostly change the sound of the shot. obviously if used to hide a longer inner barrel it won't silence the shot. With foam inside the silencer it will make a dramatic difference to the "POP" and even subdue it altogether... there will still be the motor whine, and gearbox noise, which can't really be quieted much... From my experience a open-cell foam works best. even those green scotch-brite pads cut into doughnuts and stacked into columns onside the silencer. the idea is you want the air to expand into the foam and keep the blast of air behind the BB from reaching the end of the silencer... I have had no issues with any sort of hop-up or suction from the vacant space inside the silencer... I recommend that there be a 12mm hole through the foam so there is no obstruction for the BB. (unless you're really good at cutting and stacking the foam, then go for it!)

I like the QD silencers because that fits my stile of play. I Like to Blitz, and every now and then I want to take a shot from cover, with out blowing my cover. So on goes the silencer. If I need to hustle some where, it can come off making the gun shorter and more maneuverable...
with the screw-on ones I would see those as more of a permanent instillation. the 14mm CCW (Counter Clock Wise) thread is kinda a pain to screw on/off

The QD silencers weigh more, and some times have some slop in them causing them to droop. (blocking the path of the BB) If you go with a QD take a look at the ones that come with, or utilize a specific flash hider. such as the SCAR type silencer. this will solve the slop issue. the Gemtech halo silencer fits a number of flash hiders, and is very secure. but takes time to attach/take off... this type was the quickest that I've had: http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...ncer_175mm.htm
but can have slop to it. It did work reasonably well with the stock TM P90 flash hider-though it did not lock completely.

I would also Recommend the "stubby" type of silencer. It's short so it doesn't completely silence the shot, but muffles it. It is also short enough to leave on. It will be enough to quiet your gun so that it will take your prey a couple of shots to figure out where you are...

"In many states"?

This is Canada. I guess you just copy and pasted that from somewhere?

I actually moved to BC from Montana a few years ago, and I really don't appreciate being called a plagiarist... get your facts straight before you go flying off the handle...
I'd also like to point out that AirsoftCanada.com has lots of really good information applicable to ALL airsofters around the world, not just the great nation of Canada.

so what im reading from all these previous posts that a suppresser actually acts similar to a musket gun?

lolwhat?...

Weeaboos confuse me.

k, what makes a musket gun inaccurate because of no rifling on it, so the ball just bounces around inside the barrel and what direction what the ball bounced from, it will go there
so in a supresser, i would think the same?

the bb's don't bounce around in the suppressor.

then i dont know why does it decrease accuracy.... wait nvm i figured it now

muskets have been proven to be accurate up to 1000 meters. they only lost favor because more reliable weapons came around that could be fired in rapid succession

Airsoft guns aren't rifled either.

But like Pus said, a BB should not touch the silencer in flight.

Bahahaha, yeah right. Don't spout lies.

The BBs Shouldn't touch the silencer. Unless the silencer is installed wrong, there is no legitamet reason it that it would decrease power or accuracy. A simple way to trouble shoot and see if your silencer is in the way of the BB, is to take off the upper reciever and with the inner barrel still in, look through the barrel (opposite the muzzel) with the silencer on and off and see if there is andythin blocking the BBs path.

Redzaku, you're half right with the whole musket thing, but airsoft guns have hop-up which muskets do not the hop-up puts a spin on the BB, giving it both gyro-stabilization, and lift. So the BB travels straight(ish) and will go further than the normal balistic trajectory... Try shooting your gunsideways, or upside down. You won't be able to use your sites, but you can curve your shot arround trees, or nail someone behind low cover... DFA sucker!

1000 maybe a stretch but snipers in the civil war could easily hit a target >300m they might be a old design but they are accurate if in the right hands which is the key to every good sniper.

The US Civil War? Then those weren't "muskets", they were firing muzzle-loading rifles. A musket is a smooth-bore muzzle-loader, and not accurate beyond 50 - 80 yards. They were only effective as mass-volley fire weapons at close range.

In the Napoleonic Wars, in 1808 (?) Rifleman Tom Plunkett of the British Army's 95th Rifle Regiment killed a French general at ~800 yards during the retreat to Corunna in Portugal. Using a flintlock Baker rifle.

my bad, both are reffered to as muskets

I know this was posted a while but anyways I have a SD702 (sould of stuck to the SD700) and was wondering is there a suppressor for that gun and if so, how much accuracy distortion would you say? Its rediculously high powered, and has perfect acc. (5shots same spot shattering .2 each time)

If it's threaded in 14mm, you can use almost any suppressor on the market.

i use a Gemtech HALO silencer on my VFC 416 with a 10" (250mm) barrel and it really cuts down on the report from the muzzle. most people who have played along side me are impressed of how quiet my gun is. granted a lot of that comes down to the parts you use in your gearbox, but there is quite the difference in loudness when i take the silencer off. during a game this past week, i ran the first half with my can on and the rest of the afternoon with it off. the report from my muzzle was noticeably louder than even the GBBRs, and i could be distinguished from everybody else in the thick bush just by the muzzle report. the Gemtech doesn't use foam like most other cans out there, instead it uses a heavily packed wool like material. what ever that stuff is, it works really well.