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turok_t June 3rd, 2010 15:45

One stick battery for buffer tube
 
Hey guys, im looking for a NiMH or NiCD stick battery that i can fit in my G&P buffer tube. It can be 3.6V, 4.8V, or even higher, as long as I can shoot on semi auto. Im not really concerned if the ROF is sluggish since I know it is affected by voltage. Also, I dont really care about the MAH rating as long as it fits in my buffer tube. I know that I can go lipo, but i rather not take that route yet. I just want a working battery that can fit inside my buffer tube so that i can use my CTR stock over it. Anyone know where i can get/make such battery?

coach June 3rd, 2010 15:56

get a 7.2v mini custom made at cheapbatterypacks.

you will need to get the 2/3A batteries. I had a 9.6v made to go in my king arms collapsible stock but 2 of the cells had to go in the small storage compartment where you can put 2 x cr123's and it had to be modified to allow the wires to go through.

if you can run off of 7.2V mini just go with that. see if you can fit 6 x 2/3A batteries in there. dimensions at cheapbatterypacks. also add a bit of length for wires, end pieces and solder.

The Chad June 3rd, 2010 15:56

Here man, love these guys, very reliable.

http://torontoairsoft.com/product.php?id_product=447

turok_t June 3rd, 2010 16:07

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Originally Posted by LoveMyStubby (Post 1248011)
Here man, love these guys, very reliable.

http://torontoairsoft.com/product.php?id_product=447

If u read my post, I indicated NO li-po

Quote:

Originally Posted by coachster (Post 1248010)
get a 7.2v mini custom made at cheapbatterypacks.

you will need to get the 2/3A batteries. I had a 9.6v made to go in my king arms collapsible stock but 2 of the cells had to go in the small storage compartment where you can put 2 x cr123's and it had to be modified to allow the wires to go through.

if you can run off of 7.2V mini just go with that. see if you can fit 6 x 2/3A batteries in there. dimensions at cheapbatterypacks. also add a bit of length for wires, end pieces and solder.

Well, I have a CTR stock over my buffer tube, so i can put max 5 x 2/3A with the stock fully extended, or 4 x 2/3A. There's no way I can put 6 inside though. Will 4 batteries (4.8V) be enough?? Would it be able to drive the motor?

coach June 3rd, 2010 16:12

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Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248020)
Will 4 batteries (4.8V) be enough?? Would it be able to drive the motor?

no

yes but not enough for the motor to drive the gears that push the spring

The Chad June 3rd, 2010 16:14

Sorry man, didn't notice it was LiPo.......here is another:
http://torontoairsoft.com/product.php?id_product=387
I think any Mp5 battery stick would be good wouldn't it?

turok_t June 3rd, 2010 16:15

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Originally Posted by LoveMyStubby (Post 1248025)
Sorry man, didn't notice it was LiPo.......here is another:
http://torontoairsoft.com/product.php?id_product=387
I think any Mp5 battery stick would be good wouldn't it?

Thats way too long.. I can only fit 4, max 5 in mine..

The Chad June 3rd, 2010 16:21

Ah, I got nothing then, sorry man.

StrikeFreedom June 3rd, 2010 16:26

A 7.2V lipo should be fine on your internals. I've seen one that's an eraser-sized, about 500MAH.

turok_t June 3rd, 2010 16:26

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Originally Posted by StrikeFreedom (Post 1248031)
A 7.2V lipo should be fine on your internals. I've seen one that's an eraser-sized, about 500MAH.

How much is it? Where?

How much is a charger/discharger for Lipos?

StrikeFreedom June 3rd, 2010 17:28

IIRC it was around $25, at a hobby shop near Woodbine/Hwy 7.

Boyso June 3rd, 2010 18:06

Yeah but a charger is 100ish, and you need another kind of charger that I forgot how it's called, that is not cheap either.

KND June 3rd, 2010 19:45

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Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248032)
How much is it? Where?

How much is a charger/discharger for Lipos?

All you need is to PM me. I will give you a good deal of Lipo battery that will fit in your buffer tube and a high quality charger that won't turn your battery to explosive device and won't burn down your garage.

Since this one might probably the best deal, So if you don't PM me then you missed it. That's all

turok_t June 3rd, 2010 19:55

Oh i PM'd you..

turok_t June 3rd, 2010 20:13

Okay, I think im going to make one with Intellect 2/3A batteries. They are $2 each so I'll see what I can do.

Azathoth June 3rd, 2010 21:48

Is this for a SPR setup pushing 400 FPS? I'm curious to what your trigger response is and if you are running a capacitor

turok_t June 3rd, 2010 23:26

If I have a G&P buffer tube, will I be able to put a 7.4V lipo inside?

andrew5826 June 3rd, 2010 23:47

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Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248341)
If I have a G&P buffer tube, will I be able to put a 7.4V lipo inside?

yes.

turok_t June 4th, 2010 00:29

The lipo im interested in has 1200MAH, 20C, which has an output of 24A.. Will this be enough to drive a stock CA gearbox??

The Acer June 4th, 2010 00:38

should be, as the fuse in a stock gun is 15A

KND June 4th, 2010 00:49

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Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248378)
The lipo im interested in has 1200MAH, 20C, which has an output of 24A.. Will this be enough to drive a stock CA gearbox??

Is it the one that I show you in PM ? oh ! yeah, It has enough juice to run 400 fps run easily even a PTW. I even tested on mine with blue cylinder before it sold.

and Yes, it fine in G&P buffer tube without problem except if that buffer is not Lipo specific, you might not be able to put your stock in zero position, it's possibly start from second position. We won't use it in zero position anyway.

turok_t June 4th, 2010 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KND (Post 1248389)
Is it the one that I show you in PM ? oh ! yeah, It has enough juice to run 400 fps run easily even a PTW. I even tested on mine with blue cylinder before it sold.

and Yes, it fine in G&P buffer tube without problem except if that buffer is not Lipo specific, you might not be able to put your stock in zero position, it's possibly start from second position. We won't use it in zero position anyway.

Actually, the one you sent me was 11.1V and the one im interested is the G&P 7.2V. I just wanted to make sure that it would be provide sufficient amperage to my stock CA gun since this article i read (http://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com...teries-part-1/) said that you need 30A and the G&P lipo I want only provides 24A..

Anyways, do you think I should stick with the G&P lipo charger to match my G&P lipo battery or go with something else? Im looking for a cheap charger, but also, a charger that doesnt explode on me..

As Im doing my research now, it seems that alot of people use "alarms" to ensure their lipos dont drop below 3V. Ive saw some alarms on ebay and some on hobbyking.com. Which alarm provides the MOST accurate reading? (KND, i read your other posts saying that most of them are not accurate, and that the preferred method is to use a multimeter). Im looking for something that can provide me accurate readings while im using my gun. I thought about a trigger mosfet but that is waaaaay over my budget.

KND June 4th, 2010 01:12

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Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248394)
Actually, the one you sent me was 11.1V and the one im interested is the G&P 7.2V. I just wanted to make sure that it would be provide sufficient amperage to my stock CA gun since this article i read (http://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com...teries-part-1/) said that you need 30A and the G&P lipo I want only provides 24A..

Anyways, do you think I should stick with the G&P lipo charger to match my G&P lipo battery or go with something else? Im looking for a cheap charger, but also, a charger that doesnt explode on me..

As Im doing my research now, it seems that alot of people use "alarms" to ensure their lipos dont drop below 3V. Ive saw some alarms on ebay and some on hobbyking.com. Which alarm provides the MOST accurate reading? (KND, i read your other posts saying that most of them are not accurate, and that the preferred method is to use a multimeter). Im looking for something that can provide me accurate readings while im using my gun. I thought about a trigger mosfet but that is waaaaay over my budget.


hmm ! you mean the battery that I provide the link is not efficiency enough for your CA gun. You mind tell what is it inside the box ? You don't need something more than 20 C discharge rate to run almost AEG in the market right now. It's just simply useless, heavy ROF what so ever. Again, the battery that I provide to you is enough to run almost any guns from 400 to 450 fps without a sweat. It's a matter that 11.1 Lipo is give more ROF than 7.4 V, stick to semi if you are using 11.1 V or get someone do a good shimming job on your box.

You don't need to look for that alarm, it's pretty useless. I have one, I can give out free if you pay shipping. The last link that I provide to you is call Lipo Monitor, it indicate each cell's voltage. All you need to do is plug your battery then you will see what left in your battery. It's pretty accurate so far for reading Lipo unless you plan to carry Multimeter in the field to be more precise than that.

Edit : Any charger specific for Lipo can charge any Lipo battery. I'm better stick to RC charger since they have been in this more than us. Trust them, you won't regret.

turok_t June 4th, 2010 02:47

No no no i didnt mean that battery you u provided is not efficient for my CA gun. Just wanted to point out that the battery you told me was different than the one Im interested in.

Do I really need a balancer and a good charger? I heard that if the cells reach below 3v, they will die. I was thinking about getting the G&P lipo charger, but its just a basic charger and im not sure if its sufficient.

My main concern is the cells reaching below 3v if i dont have an accurate alarm.

Amos June 4th, 2010 03:34

Wolfdragon makes some pretty snazzy LIPO alarms.. He's got one with a 60DB buzzer that'll start ringing if your battery drops below 3v/cell

coach June 4th, 2010 07:01

Re: One stick battery for buffer tube
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos
Wolfdragon makes some pretty snazzy LIPO alarms.. He's got one with a 60DB buzzer that'll start ringing if your battery drops below 3v/cell

Which will mark you as a target on the field until you can pull that battery. Which then will render you defenseless untill you can get a new one in. Lol

Too bad madbull didn't make an LFP that would fit in the buffer tube.

turok_t June 4th, 2010 14:58

After reading this entire thread that I have created, I think im just going to stick with my NiMH battery. I guess I'll just use my crane stock to house the battery for my gun instead of my CTR stock. The CTR stock will only be used for displaying only.

ex June 4th, 2010 15:05

Why? Seriously...Lipo's are fine and you don't need an alarm. Just get yourself a Voltage checker and plug it in if your worried about the voltage dropping below 3v per cell.
http://www.nexusracing.com/images/INTC23022_10.JPG

Lipo's are not to be feared but you just need to respect them. Step out of your comfort zone.

turok_t June 4th, 2010 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex (Post 1248731)
Why? Seriously...Lipo's are fine and you don't need an alarm. Just get yourself a Voltage checker and plug it in if your worried about the voltage dropping below 3v per cell.
http://www.nexusracing.com/images/INTC23022_10.JPG

Lipo's are not to be feared but you just need to respect them. Step out of your comfort zone.

1. Would I keep this plugged in my gun inside the buffer tube? Or do I take our the battery intermittently to check the voltage? I recall KND said that these things are very inaccurate.

2. Here is a thought. Since I do indoor chairsofting and play no more than 1.5hrs a time, should I just charge it after everytime I use it to prevent the voltage from dropping too much?

3. Ive been looking at some of the B6 chargers from IMAX and Turnigy, is a balancer really required? I prefer to get a G&P charger for my G&P 7.4V lipo but i dont think this charger has an internal balancer.

ex June 4th, 2010 15:38

You'll be fine with the B6 Charger..I have a brand new one I can sell you since I recently switched over to Gas almost exclusively.

Your a plinker..you'll be just fine.

KND June 4th, 2010 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248744)
1. Would I keep this plugged in my gun inside the buffer tube? Or do I take our the battery intermittently to check the voltage? I recall KND said that these things are very inaccurate.

2. Here is a thought. Since I do indoor chairsofting and play no more than 1.5hrs a time, should I just charge it after everytime I use it to prevent the voltage from dropping too much?

3. Ive been looking at some of the B6 chargers from IMAX and Turnigy, is a balancer really required? I prefer to get a G&P charger for my G&P 7.4V lipo but i dont think this charger has an internal balancer.

1. That thing is pretty good but the only downside is the voltage can't be adjust when it can't read properly because due to nature of black screen, it won't read or display inaccurate when the temperature drop especially Canada. Nothing be more accurate than 100 $ Multimeter. The wort thing ever me that I'm using is Low voltage buzzer. That thing is pretty useless unless you are getting a good. I heard many good review from Wolfpack low voltage buzzer. Last gaming at Action Commando, I almost blow up my face because of that low voltage buzzer.

2. In our PM, I also give you a link of Cell Balance Diagnostic. They are pretty good. Display all voltage and it could be adjustable when it can't read property. You just simply use Multimeter check the voltage and adjust according to it.

3. The balancer is really required to all Lipo battery again, unless you plan to burn your garage then I have no more suggestion.
.

turok_t June 4th, 2010 16:25

Whats the difference between the voltage checked as posted by Ex, and the cell balance diagnostic? Dont they both just show you what the voltage is and whether its below 3v/cell ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KND (Post 1248772)
1. That thing is pretty good but the only downside is the voltage can't be adjust when it can't read properly because due to nature of black screen, it won't read or display inaccurate when the temperature drop especially Canada. Nothing be more accurate than 100 $ Multimeter. The wort thing ever me that I'm using is Low voltage buzzer. That thing is pretty useless unless you are getting a good. I heard many good review from Wolfpack low voltage buzzer. Last gaming at Action Commando, I almost blow up my face because of that low voltage buzzer.

2. In our PM, I also give you a link of Cell Balance Diagnostic. They are pretty good. Display all voltage and it could be adjustable when it can't read property. You just simply use Multimeter check the voltage and adjust according to it.

3. The balancer is really required to all Lipo battery again, unless you plan to burn your garage then I have no more suggestion.
.


KND June 4th, 2010 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248790)
Whats the difference between the voltage checked as posted by Ex, and the cell balance diagnostic? Dont they both just show you what the voltage is and whether its below 3v/cell ?

I'm a bit speechless now. You don't see the different.

Go on www.hobbyking.com they have both of those little gadget. Research a bit, do your homework by reading the review on both. Hope it help

turok_t June 4th, 2010 17:08

im just looking for something that beeps loudly and accurately as I use my gun since the battery would be hiddne in the stock tube. Once i hear the noise, I can use my voltmeter at home to measure the exact voltage and charge the lipo if necessary

Amos June 4th, 2010 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 1248821)
im just looking for something that beeps loudly and accurately as I use my gun since the battery would be hiddne in the stock tube. Once i hear the noise, I can use my voltmeter at home to measure the exact voltage and charge the lipo if necessary

http://www.projectwolfdragon.com/Products/PCB_Lite.htm

The Chad June 4th, 2010 17:51

This is quite the wealth of info....I will certainly be referring back to this in the future. Thanks guys, and Turok for bringing it up.

Kos-Mos June 4th, 2010 21:52

1- You will never find a NiMh battery that will be able to run your gun AND fit in your buffer tube (even with the stock fully out).

2- The LiPo that KND has is perfect for your setup.

3- You don't need any gadget or stuff that will let you know. You gun cannot and will not cycle properly at 6V. Even at 7V it will be hard. I can tell you that you will feel that your gun is dead. From ok to no-go, you have 2-3 BBs. You will feel it. The thing you must not do is to wait 2-3 seconds and squeeze an other two rounds. That overdrains the pack.

turok_t June 5th, 2010 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kos-Mos (Post 1248986)
1- You will never find a NiMh battery that will be able to run your gun AND fit in your buffer tube (even with the stock fully out).

2- The LiPo that KND has is perfect for your setup.

3- You don't need any gadget or stuff that will let you know. You gun cannot and will not cycle properly at 6V. Even at 7V it will be hard. I can tell you that you will feel that your gun is dead. From ok to no-go, you have 2-3 BBs. You will feel it. The thing you must not do is to wait 2-3 seconds and squeeze an other two rounds. That overdrains the pack.

Your point #3 is referring to lipos correct? So are you saying I dont need any type of alarm or voltage display since i can "feel" when the voltage is close to 6V? Hmm.. I didnt know that even at 7V your gun will be sluggish.

Kos-Mos June 6th, 2010 17:33

Yes, for LiPos.

A full 7.2v pack will be somewhat slow, but manageable.

An empty pack dropping voltage does not have any power and you will feel it instantly. The problem occurs if you really want to fire an other burst because you got the best possible line of sight.

Ask youself if that kill is worth your gun, your house and maybe part of your body (depending on when the failure occurs).

turok_t June 6th, 2010 21:49

Ive been doing some reading and research about leaving a resting voltage in your lipos. People have recommended leaving around 3.8V inside the battery when not in use. If you leave the battery unused for a long time (ie. 3 months), will the voltage gradually drop, and you will se the lipo pack inflate?


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