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Lestat May 14th, 2010 16:21

Fox news & ATF raise airsoft conversion concerns
 
[sarcasm]The sky is falling[/sarcasm]

"A FoxNews.com investigation reveals that a popular recreational pellet gun can be converted easily to a real semi-automatic weapon. And while the federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is already aware of the issue, these “toys” -- new, top-of-the-line airsoft rifles -- continue to be sold throughout the country."

Barbie May 14th, 2010 16:41

Here we go....

Quote:

"So let them have their toys. Just make sure they’re still toys.”
so no need to worry.... lol

Danke May 14th, 2010 16:46

It's just the American sky we'll be fine; who knows maybe we'll even come out ahead.

H1TMAN May 14th, 2010 16:54

This is only an issue for GBBR. It is not a major issue for AEGs. Im sure the companies will find a way to get around this problem.

Rugger_can May 14th, 2010 17:00

They make immigrants sounds like hit men. WTF is wrong with these people.

TokyoSeven May 14th, 2010 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugger_can (Post 1234727)
WTF is wrong with these people.

Fear mongering.

Extremely high mercury content in the water.

Five generations of inbreeding.

Brian McIlmoyle May 14th, 2010 17:07

FOX is late... this seizure was months ago...

and they are talking about using the WE m4 Lower receiver , modifying for a real trigger group .. and installing a Real upper on it

pusangani May 14th, 2010 17:09

Exactly I heard the WETTI's were banned in USA as a result of the ATF already

Brian McIlmoyle May 14th, 2010 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 1234735)
Exactly I heard the WETTI's were banned in USA as a result of the ATF already

Restricted LE/MIL .. or supposed to be

FOX_111 May 14th, 2010 17:11

Let me know when someone film himself using his retrofited GBBR to fire real ammo. I wanna see the explosion!

KoolAidMan May 14th, 2010 17:14

according to that article they should also ban tape and carboard you can turn it into an ar lower as well ......*facepalm*

These things can barely handle propane without breaking down

VooDooPeteK May 14th, 2010 17:18

thing is...yes you could convert one over....BUT the cost would be crazy and not sure it would stand up to real ammunition being fired from it.

Lets be real, if you are in the US and want a gun that bad you will get one somehow rather then convert a toy over lol

Brian McIlmoyle May 14th, 2010 17:52

Actually


it's an easy conversion .. but the only thing left of the airsoft gun is a stripped lower and stock... everything else is real steel

The issue is that all the parts for the conversion are freely available to anyone with no license needed ...

the airsoft parts are used to replace the serial numbered lower receiver..

rustysniper May 14th, 2010 17:57

so...it still boils down to people having to buy 2/3 of a gun to make one that might last a few rounds.....
With that logic...anyone can build a gun from parts.....

ShelledPants May 14th, 2010 18:02

Now here's a funny question:

Are the after market lower receivers (7075 forged aluminium) for WETTI guns banned from importation in the US? If not, this is fucking ridiculous.

squeenix May 14th, 2010 23:17

It's fox news, do you really want to believe anything they say?

Remember this? YouTube- Nintendo DS is a target for child molestors

Rugger_can May 14th, 2010 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven (Post 1234730)
Fear mongering.

Extremely high mercury content in the water.

Five generations of inbreeding.

Ah I see.. well than carry on

LightBulb May 16th, 2010 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeenix (Post 1235055)
It's fox news, do you really want to believe anything they say?

Remember this? YouTube- Nintendo DS is a target for child molestors

... wow

jtf2-phalanx May 17th, 2010 01:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeenix (Post 1235055)
It's fox news, do you really want to believe anything they say?

Remember this? YouTube- Nintendo DS is a target for child molestors

Slow day in the news...

Kid May 17th, 2010 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtf2-phalanx (Post 1236290)
Slow day in the news...

Then everyday is a slow day in the news for Fox.

TokyoSeven is right.

aZn_triXta07 May 17th, 2010 12:32

Modifying the lower receiver by drilling a hole, the aluminum used for airsoft isn't 'high-grade' by doing that you're probably weakening the receiver as is, after modification maybe under one magazine of semi-auto would do...full auto?

I highly doubt it, we need to see fact sheets or demonstrations, not some dumb ATF agent trying to insert a magazine backwards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolAidMan (Post 1234741)
These things can barely handle propane without breaking down

I hope your opinion on WE GBBRs isn't based solely off of NoobLords experience, he seems to have trouble with almost ANY gun he owns.

In another thread it was clearly distinguished that he has the least clue about gun care, putting a GBBR through 10K rounds without lubing or cleaning is simply asking it to give out on you.

If the WEs can handle the tough loving from wildcard it's not crapola.

Of all the GBBRs within the mid-range pricing excluding Bomber/Inokatsu these work the best out of the box and don't feel like TOYS.

The newer versions being released have made a long way since the Version 1s back in 2008? Regardless the modified Escort/Sun Project gas system is still more efficient than open bolt gas systems.

We'll just have to see how VFC chalks up when they release their GBBRs.

Volko May 17th, 2010 15:59

HEH Fox News...

You can convert anything into a gun on Fox News.

The Chad May 17th, 2010 16:05

DOUCHEBAG: Noun ~ Anyone that beleives this.


If a "gangsta" is gonna get a gun, they're gonna get it. They're not going to build one. That's dumb shit right there.

allblackguns May 17th, 2010 17:41

With over 12 MILLION AR -15's alone in private hands in the U.S. why bother making your own, simply go to a gun show in about 30 states where you can by a long gun without ANY registration at all.

Shooting Addict May 17th, 2010 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveMyStubby (Post 1236623)
If a "gangsta" is gonna get a gun, they're gonna get it. They're not going to build one. That's dumb shit right there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by allblackguns (Post 1236694)
With over 12 MILLION AR -15's alone in private hands in the U.S. why bother making your own, simply go to a gun show in about 30 states where you can by a long gun without ANY registration at all.

This. Like seriously it's not like anyone is going to build a gun when it's cheaper, easier and more reliable to BUY a REAL one instead of converting a TOY thats going to last less then one mag(most likely). T7 has the best post in this thread that makes more sense then any shit that fox pushes...

Quote:

Fear mongering.

Extremely high mercury content in the water.

Five generations of inbreeding

Kingly May 17th, 2010 21:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeenix (Post 1235055)
It's fox news, do you really want to believe anything they say?

Remember this? YouTube- Nintendo DS is a target for child molestors

That is absolutely despicable. Fox News really does come up with some crazy shit. Next they'll be telling people that having a fridge in your house encourages rapists and murderers to come into your house...

zollen May 17th, 2010 21:49

I would imagine those whose have the know-how to convert airsoft to deadly weapons, would have in-depth knowledge of real steels. They probably would have access to real steel anyway. Why even bother with airsoft?

Kid May 17th, 2010 21:53

I see two issues with this.

First of all, this could be an issue in Canada. If we can import the upper reciever and the rest of the gun (unrestricted parts, correct?), then us Canadians (who can't normally get access to "assault rifles") would be able to create one without a license to do so.

Second of all, this could be an issue if using a WE reciever would enable full auto (although we haven't seen any evidence of this yet).

Anyway, we all knew this was coming.

bareass May 17th, 2010 22:11

all of you should really know what you're talking about before you say anything.
it is, in fact, simple to modify a GBBR OR an AEG into a bullet firing weapon.
here it is... the DIY.
be sure to write this down ASAP, as the Man will have it removed from the web within hours:

1) buy an airsoft gun. easier with a GBBR, and an AR type weapon would be best
2) replace the gun with a real steel gun (of the same weapon type)
3) paint the flash hider orange
4) fill in any serial numbers with bondo, or other fillers.
5) paint filler black to match the rest of the weapon
6) tell everyone it is an airsoft gun converted to fire bullets.

there you go guys and girls.
DONE!

PaddMadd May 18th, 2010 02:27

So instead of running the Soccer Mom Fear Machine, why don't they just issue the same regulations for the WETTI M4 that the real AR-15 has? Semi auto only, must have a 16" barrel, Magazine must be fixed and/or limited to so many rounds(in most states). It's not that hard, and would be easier to do than raiding warehouses and stores.

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw May 18th, 2010 05:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaddMadd (Post 1237172)
So instead of running the Soccer Mom Fear Machine, why don't they just issue the same regulations for the WETTI M4 that the real AR-15 has? Semi auto only, must have a 16" barrel, Magazine must be fixed and/or limited to so many rounds(in most states). It's not that hard, and would be easier to do than raiding warehouses and stores.

You sure you got this info correct pappy?

PaddMadd May 19th, 2010 05:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw (Post 1237198)
You sure you got this info correct pappy?

I read that stuff somewhere a few years ago, so it might be out-of-date. My point is that instead of looking at them as OMFGWTFBBQ big bad guns, use the same regulations that a real AR-15 has.


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