KJW m4 gbb worth it?
 

Hi, I have had many horrible experiences with AEGs in the past, so I am looking for an alternative, which would be a gbb. Is the KJW gbb a reliable gun, and worth the 500$? Thanks.

in short? yes
in long? yes, and buy the cradle upgrades (google is your friend)

If you got problem with AEGs, GBBR can't acctually cure your headache, AEGs are more reliable than GBBR at this moment as GBBR mags is a major issue.

If TM made a GBBR, I would so hop onto it. As their pistol gas mags up to date are the best out there.

Koba designed TM system...

Koba designed the KJ ;)

I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND http://007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-src-g36.htm. If something goes wrong Ken will look after you =) He is a great guy to deal with. I would take them over a GBBR right now. But like some one said for now.

KJW is the best GBBR by far available currently, unless you buy a WA and dump $1000 to fix its terrible workings.

So, i mean...as an investment, it seems to be viable atm. In the long term? Remains to be seen. I'm certain as more airsoft companies enter the GBBR market quality will drastically increase over the next year and a "standard" will be set (hopefully getting rid of WA's "standard")

Ken's been in the business for a long time now, we are all aware that he's a stand up guy and runs a tight ship. But recommending a G36 Aeg when someone is asking about a M4 GBB is kinda off the wall.


All the reviews of the KJW say its a pretty tight system with low cost of maintenance. And there is fairly good aftermarket support for upgrade (read replacement reinforced) parts. And in terms of Mags the KJW ones have been reported to perform quiet well with proper care. And as Amos said, the mags where designed by Tanio Koba which has an excellent track record for GBB magazine longevity.

Couple this with the low cost of purchase I don't see it as being a bad purchase if that is what floats your boat.

I was not going to recommend something I have never used before (I should say owned) Yes your right off the wall is a rather good say in the matter :rolleyes:

Also Ken has the KJW M4 on his website. If you were to but it I would buy from him.

I disagree WA mags are better

and also cost 3x as much as TM mags

uhhhh, no they don't?! (with the exception of magna [non-scw] discontinued / SD hi-capa custom mags)


They're the same price, if not cheaper in -some- cases. (standard 1911/2011/beretta)


prove me wrong :D - alex




*********EDIT!!!!!!***** LOL x3 as much, are we talking 100-120$ a mag?

well I just seen WA cappa mags for $100-120 or so

ask yourself. why would you want a m4 GBBR? what are the advantage of GBBR over an AEG? obviously realism is the matter. WA magnum system is the most realistic one at this time, although expensive its worthy to save your money for it. WA system ain't that bad as some people said, just make sure your got the good aftermarket parts, also these aftermarket parts are so cheap right now, most expensive thing are the WA mags. personally, WE is absolutely off the list for they are not realistic at all; KJW M4 is acceptable, but since you want realistic feeling, why don't you just save you money for a WA GBBR? If you wanna run a GBBR just because the AEG failed on you, I suggest go find a branded well-built AEG, after all, AEG is more reliable by far.

I will consider it. Is a G&G UMG a good buy?

Maybe that was $120 for two?



*edit continue this convo via : private message - soo00o0o offtopic -

Is the g&g umg any good? Sorry for the re-post it was the last post on the page.

My 2 cents worth...
I know 5 of us who all have the kjw GBB m4 units all stock, and the only real issue so far is the broken plastic(rubber) strap on the bolt carrier. As for mag prices I see 2x times the price not 3x, and if they do hold up like they are said to be able to do then I think it is well worth it, instead of buying 2 cheaper made mags and fixing them or replacing them every year or two. I know the gun is not the "cats meow" of guns... but time will tell if it ranks up there with some of the Pro $1k plus guns

Ahhh yes i've seen that stupid elastic... Does it still function without it?

Replace elastic with inner tube that's cut to size... higher ROF and better reliability :)

I have a kjw m4 gbbr.and i got to say i have had no real major issues with it.its pretty hot right out of the box.shoots 450+.you need to buy the cradle upgrades.piston and volocity reducer.
there are 2 major draw backs.the price of the mags.approx 75.00$ each.and being a gbb system the climate.in that sense im mean temperature.they dont work to well in 5 degree celcius temp.but if you want a solid ptw i give this system a 2 thumbs up.the mags are as close to real caps as you can get.
if its in your budget.and you can get one.buy it!!

Ahh screw it then. The average winter temperature whete I live is -20c, so I really can't see it being practical. I think I'll go for a g&g umg or mp5.

Expand on that a little Amos? I'm trying to visualize how that would go.

cross section of a motorcycle tire inner tube about a CM wide

The WA design is by far the best in terms of design, however, WA guns, considering their price, blow chunks. By the time you've got the weak internals upgraded for reliability and get an RA Tech bolt with NPAS to get it to field-legal limits, you've paid as much in upgrade parts as you did for the initial gun. And you're still stuck with a weak plastic receiver that flexes as well as other random plastic externals that should be metal. It makes WA a rather poor choice IMO. While the design is good, the execution is poor.

If you want the WA design, then you have to shell out the cash for the G&P WOC (which still needs some work to be fieldable) or shell out the big bucks for an Inokatsu which is fieldable out of the box. To me, these are the only real options when you're going for a Magna-based rifle. By the time you get a WA completely upgraded to be useable, you've paid as much for it as an Inokatsu anyway, so why not just get the Ino to start with? I chose Inokatsu because of that.

I haven't tried either the KJW or WE yet, but both seem to be good guns for their price range. You give you a little in terms of realism with the action (particularly with KJW), but in terms of functionality, they both work great. I'd personally go WE because you start with a metal receiver out of the box, but either seems like a good choice.

I dont know why people complain a bout the KJW being unrealistic, you cant SEE the rubber band unless you dissassemble the gun, and the gun is loud as hell, has really snappy recoil... and its just plain awesome

the band in my KJW M4 just broke, first I tried a wide rubber band, worked well, the ROF was increased and it cycled properly, probably wouldn't last too long though, and it was too stretchy and cant pull the bolt far enough back to lock on an empty mag, then I found an old inner tube, and after ALOT of trimming, i managed to get it to fit, and seems to work well, for now, not sure how long it will last however

piece of bicycle inner tube cut down to size works fantastic ;)

this was a motorcycle inner tube, but w/e, RIGHT after I finished getting it working, my piston cup cracked, so time for CRADLE upgrades

Hi I own one of this bad boy and as far as it goes its reliable out of the box. Outer barrel has been modified and until now it perfectly working. The rubber band has broke to me once and its not a big deal to replace I been to outside game one time and I have to open my M4 twice cause it shooting to hot for an outdoor game.This is one of the pros of this gun if you have to change anything its fast and reliable I have 9 magazine with me on the game and yeah the sounds of it echos in the field.http://www.airsoftcanada.com/picture...&pictureid=749

I agree with you on this point, if you start from a G&P WOC, its almost as expensive as an inokatsu after you upgraded it. but ,here is not like 2 years ago, you can use those aftermarket parts to build 1, my very own WA GBBR was completely built up from scratch, cost me no more than 900 bucks with ra-tech bolt (this is the one cost the most), full steel internal, CA metal body and it works great.

i am not saying WE/KJW M4 are totally crap, its all depends on how you play the game. you got what you pay for. for me, maybe I put realistic on the priority position, but again, its all about how you play the game.

I would say buy a we i have an to do too much work on mine as the elastic band breaks easily and i cant use it in games because the fps and everywhere is sold out of NPAS kits