New Saskatchewan airsoft site
 

Hello, Im just letting everyone know there is a new Airsoft site in Saskatchewan. The site is very new. We are setting up a site for retail and to start a league setting for teams that are interested with ranked matches and tourny's with prizes, Trophies and most important bragging rights. You can visit us at www.saskairsoft.com if you want to check us out and sign up to the forums. I would like to know what people think, good and bad input please. Thank you

Saskatchewan already has a main website, PDW.
And you know that.

No point in having more than one, it just spreads information out and makes things more difficult.

I don't mean to take anything from pdw
 

Hello, I know of the pdw and I met a couple of the guys and I really like how they are ran things. With that said I'm not trying to take anything away from pdw's site, but I thought that the pdw web site was more of a team website that has matches they run and for other teams to post with the pdw squad. The idea for my website is not for my team or for any team, its for all teams to set up matches with themselfs and to see what people think of a league setting. Sorry if that upsets you but it is all in good fun thank you for your input

Sounds like nasty Paintball style Airsoft to me IMO.

If there is already a website for your region that is of good quality, why bother trying to make another?

to your question
 

Hello, well to be honest its all in fun, Im new to airsoft and we desided to play with a website, like I said I wanna turn it into a retail store, Ive already got a wholesaler statis for myself and now Im just seeing what else I could get into cause I would love to set up a league were Im out there recording scores and posting them for all the teams. but before I try I wanted to see what people think. thank you

Good luck with the retailing, it's always nice to have more retailers.

As for the other league stuff with points.....just no. Stop now.

Question
 

Hello, Im just wondering why isnt a league something airsofters what to get into. I love sporting events and challanges. Sims are fun but I like a good competition. But that might just be me.

Every airsoft game in Canada is NOT in a league. That's what keeps it fun.

comment
 

This fine a guess, sounds more of a opinion then anything. thank you for your comments.

no that's FACT more than anything, airsoft is based on honour unlike paintball hence the need for refs in paintball

Airsoft's main goal is about having fun, not collecting trophies and sponsors

Have a look at the events section of this very site and see if you see anything about leagues.

No, fact. Just like Pus said.

People just aren't into the league thing. There are lots of reasons. To sum it all up, it has been tried, and failed as the mindset is most everyone are into it for fun. There is very little competition and that creates a friendly environment. That is a positive thing for airsoft. Competition tends to bring out lots of unfriendliness, and lots of unhappy, which is negative for airsoft.. and we don't want any negative in airsoft. And that is the main reason.

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I understand there is no league setting set up at all, and that kind of was the piont of my site and post. cause all the people that Im with in airsoft like the idea of a league. It would be nice to understand and get a better response other then "I just dont like" or hey "check the site there is no league in play"

thanks
 

thanks schlyder, I can see that happening, Thank you

Have you been out to any of the local (Regina) games that have been hosted? That is where the majority of players in Saskatchewan play. Theres a fair sized group in each of our major cities (Regina, Moose Jaw, Saskatoon), pretty much we mainly play skrims and milsims. Most of us left paintball and its style of play behind years ago.

Best thing to do is get your "group" and come out and meet the main group that plays here in Saskatchewan. For the most part I'd say its safe to say the majority of players out this way are not into leagues. We have our teams and each one is different. Some practice as a team on a regular basis, while others just group as a team for identity and enjoy playing together.

Best to research what your local community and outlying area of established players are into before jumping into the frying pan.

Other then that nothing wrong with another team website/forum being set up. Just keep in mind the majority of players are use to the 1 main forums here in Saskatchewan being the PDW boards and thats where they go to check out games. Posting them in multiple places less frequented just ensures that less people come to play at yours.


Also when did you join the Saskatchewan Airsoft Association? Don't remeber you? Just curious by your Website Page Title.

as for league
 

Im sorry if I hit a nerve with some people that not what im trying to do, but I probley will set up a league any way cause I have 4 teams interested so far and i like a league setting and if its not for you and your team that is fine and i understand. I will be setting up and joining sims as well because I also really enjoy that type of atmosphere.

because no one else has thought up this idea before you?

the people you are with wouldn't happen to be paintballers would they?

Competition brings out bad attitudes, cheating and other negative elements that have no place in Airsoft, things are just fine as they are, maybe just give it a try and get out to some real airsoft games and see how you like it.

comment on bloodsport
 

Im a strong user of the pdw squads website and Ill keep using it and I have already been out to one of there events and I have 7 of us signed up for bootcamp. like i said this to mainly for fun and thats all that counts. but also fun for me is a league setting thats why im on here trying to see what people think and if any teams are interested. As for our area in the future I do want to host sims and events and that not to take anything away from pwd it's just for fun. thank you

What 4 teams? Any of them listed below?

Known teams in Saskatchewan are:
Prairie Dogs of War
South Saskatchewan Mercenaries
3Para
Seals
Death Dealers
Freelance Mercenaries of Saskatchewam

comment for pus
 

If it's not for you then stay away from that type of game I believe myself and everyone understands thats thanks for your comments and end it

hey
 

Nope none of them well someone there team members, since I got my gun and have been promoting it Ive got pritty much all the people in my area that are buying guns and starting up teams of there own.

I do stay away from that kind of game, I stay away from paintball, that's why I play airsoft :)

You came here and proposed your idea and this is the feedback, you gotta take it whether it be good or bad

I know
 

I know that, thats what I asked for and I have thanked you for that.

While I'm not into it, other guys can have league games all they want, as long as the don't let any of the 'negative issues' I see in many paintball games come with them when they play our usual style of milsim.

To each their own, and while it's true we don't have to come if we don't want, hopefully your guys watch that they don't bring a pure competition attitude to milsims. Friendly, honest competitiveness, sure.

Dont forget about us in Saskatoon! The 306 ops support may not be full blown active at this time but we are certainly not dead.

While I personally do not enjoy the idea of a league or competition like games, I do welcome additional players to the province as it is always great to see additional players popping up in Saskatchewan.

To everyone else who has decided to participate in this thread or decides that they have something to add, if you have nothing credible add aside from snarky criticism then keep your comment to yourself and stay the fuck out. Ive already had to clean this thread of few douchey comments. I will issue infractions to anyone who decides to post more garbage.

As stated before, I may not agree on the style of play but I welcome additional players to the province as an expanding player base is always a good thing.

Best of luck with your new website.

What do you plan on retailing, by the way?

Most of our ideas and plans most likely won't happen this season and if they do it will be closer to the end, I wanna meet everyone and have a good time first. what we are going to retail is mainly AEG's and parts, gear, and supplies. I know there is a few guys already doing some of this and I don't wanna step on any toes. Thats why I wanna meet everyone and see what is needed and maybe work with some of the guys. We bought a 14ft incloses trailer that we plan on stocking up to bring to every event, might bring to to bootcamp.

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In general, more players is a good thing. Makes for a more target rich environment for us :) As I mentioned to you on Saturday Cap, there's "elitist" types of all ranges, but so long as you keep your nose clean and don't get too confrontational, you'll find most airsofters are pretty welcoming to new players.

League play is touchy though. A lot of players left that kind of competative game behind when they left paintball to play airsoft.

Most of the active players in Saskatchewan, with more than 2 years of play under their belts, are very familiar with the notion of mil-sim vs skirmish. Most have taken the bootcamp that PDW runs every year as preparation for a season of mil-sim events to come. Its not to say that people don't skirmish, but it seems that if players can only commit to one or two games a month, they tend to save their time for an organized event where they can share the field with 20-100 other players in a bigger game, rather than just a series of 5 on 5. Not to say that you won't get interest, but you likely won't get a lot of interest from the current established playing base because we tend to gravitate more towards mil-sim or themed games.

When I started PDW back in 2000, it was intended as a team/club for players with the following common goals: wanting to play gi joe with guns that looked like guns and not super soakers, wanting to play dressup in camoflage not neon jerseys, and full-auto baby! Even some of the original MAA players might recall our old Op:Stubblejumper games where we started playing more mission based games, instead of just elimination or arena play. And prairie milsim has evolved a lot over the past decade. Westcan, Keystone Strike series, Thunderball, FierySpoon, etc. etc. I know of groups playing and planning zombie style games.

There ARE some competative game styles out there. I know that some airsofters do an IPSC style league, but by its nature its more an individual thing than a team thing. There are skills competition style meets that are played and planned. But not much for "league play" if you are referring to paintball styled arena ball with 5vs5 games. I don't personally know of any of these types of leagues, but then, I hardly know everything about airsoft in Canada.

In a typical milsim you may see Team A Main objective, defend the airfield (with 15 sub-missions). Team B Main objective, capture the scientists (with 10 sub-missions). Team A will have 50 players. Team B will have 30. Will there be head to head action? Will there be intense firefights? Will there be a clear winner of the game? The answers are: Yes, yes, possibly maybe depending on how the missions go.

You can't get the kind of equal rules you would in a 5v5 league game, but for people who like sims, you get just as much fun and satisfaction in playing, even if there is no clear "winner" of a match.

Are you confident in your abilities to read a map and compass, bushwack through heavy undergrowth to find your supply cashe, call in your coordinates for an emergency evac, assist the combat engineer in wiring up the building to explode and do so while under fire, people screaming for medics and mommy all around you, and a creeping artillery barrage has you pinned down? If this is the kind of challenge your players are looking for, then by all means, attend a mil-sim game. If your players are preferring a 5vs5 format, then I wish you best of luck on your league and we'll possibly see you at the next skirmish instead.


Re: retailing

Based on the links on their page, looks like a possible deal is being worked out with Velocity Arms.

More retailers in general, is likely a good thing.

Unless it leads to an influx of under-18 players who have no respect for the established rules and established community.

Note: This is not to say that there aren't over-18 douchebags. But said douchebags CAN be charged for their idiocy because they are 18. Like the twit in Greer Court who was caught after shooting two kids with pellets during the easter break last week.

IMO, under 18 players in Saskatchewan that have turned out ok, are the exception, not the rule. Our local communtiy is pretty strict about who we bring into the hobby.

I think I mentioned on the PDW boards that you can choose what you make of Airsoft.. if you have the numbers to start a 5 on 5 league I wish you nothing but the best.

However, I would suggest that before you dive into what you believe airsoft is/should be that you attend more than the one skirmish that you attended this past weekend.

I think it would be prudent to try out the bootcamp and maybe a milsim or two to see if the style of play we value here in saskatchewan is something you are looking for out of the sport. You will find that the vast majority of players who frequent sites like airsoft canada and the pdw boards enjoy skirmishing and milsim type events and are quite vocal about their objections in bringing in a paintball type atmosphere into their beloved hobby. :)

I can speak for my team that playing in a tourney type atmosphere would not be something we would be interested in.

Best of luck Dennis in getting what you want out of the sport!!

Cheers,

Cory

hey guys, ya I was just trying to see if there was anyother interest, we have enough guys and our own land to play league games on it. Its fine that there isn't much of a interest its understandable. As for sims I'm really looking forward into playing those as well and would love to help any way i can. I fell in love with the sport and Id play it every chance I get. Thank you for all your comments and I look forward in seeing everyone at the bootcamp and at up and coming events.

As the one and only member of FMS thanks for listing me as a team. ;)

All of this is starting to remind me of that whole Speedsoft fiasco. I really hope this doesn't escelate to that.

From what I know the people looking to start a league are either former paintballers and/or people that have never played airsoft with the established airsofters in Saskatchewan.

From what I have seen I don't see the airsofters in Saskatchewan going down this path with the exception of a few fringe groups (mentioned in first paragraph).

Sask League
 

This is my 3rd season playing airsoft in Saskatchewan, and I really enjoy the company of the people I play with/against. For me skirmishes are probably the most fun, as they are 100% friendly and you can rework teams throughout the day to make it the most challenging and even games possible. Plus the fast pace of the games means no trying to hold a field for 8 hours. I also enjoy millsims since they allow me to improve my game and play style in a more tactical role and problem solve under pressure to overcome obstacles. I do like the 5 vs. 5 skirmish days, but only because we switch teams and I can mingle and work together with so many players that otherwise would only be in front of my sites.

As for a set league where it is my 5 vs. other set teams of I’ll pass. Would be way too easy to have grudges and friction in the community.

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hey guys I just wanted to comment on a couple of the posts. I would never play a speedsoft. I dont like paintball. As for a league I like that type of game play, maybe it's a little of the c.o.d. coming out of me lol I dont know. I do have a fairly large group of guys that are into the idea and right now we are not talking about a full season of ranked matches, we are talking about a saturday here or there with little tourny's for fun and maybe some prizes for top team. doesn't have to be 5vs5 it would depend on how many guys come out. that doesnt even mean you'd be on the same team every weekend. With saying that I also want to get into the sims as well. cause Im not a one sided player i love all aspects of the sport. As the season goes on I look forward in putting faces to all of you and have some fun, I plan on sticking with this sport for a long time, and being involved with all aspected that can related to it. I got hooked lol. Thanks for the comments boys I look forward to meeting you this season.

Ahhh, that does sound a bit different than my initial impression. Sounds more competitive for the fun of it, not to beat the other guys.

There is nothing wrong with a little friendly competition I suppose.
Last man standing wins a beer!
First knife kill wins a beer from his victim!
If you get shot with a BB at any point in time you win a beer!

I need a beer right now.

only if there are decent competitions :)

I propose the following events:

Mexican Standoff Pistol Match
PAIN!!!
Knives n sticks (bb must be clearly visible and glued to tip of weapon to count as a kill)
Shoot the plate off Arnisador again


I only kid about the last two games, but the first two are actually quite fun. We've done them several times here.

Sounds alot more fun then the speedsoft thing.
couple friendly scrims, teams get points for each game, total points win at the end of the day. (case of beer? BB's? gloating rights?)

Couldn't you just host this as a game on the PDW website? They have the playerbase, and as you said you already have players supporting your idea, just you'd want more. Run it as a game, keep leader boards on your game thread.

People are hating down on this, but as been said, Airsoft is what you make of it. Saying you're going to downgrade into knuckle dragging and what not because of a little competition is silly. There is generally a winner in Milsim games. However bringing prizes in for winners is probably not that good of an idea, as it'll breed cheating.

On top of that, he is only letting people know what he wants to accomplish. He's not out to try to change the trend or the way PDW plays.

I should note, that my post is coming from someone who has seen a split in his airsoft community! I also perhaps shouldn't comment on crap I'm really not a part of. So... disregard me! Whoops.

i agree with boots that a division is never good, that being said, if he is turning this into a business, i think having your own forum is good, as long as you keep the guys on the other forums aware of events! good luck with your new endeavors. i know when i move out to Saskatoon in 1-2 years ill be looking up games of both types

There is nothing really being split here.. These are all new players wanting to do their own thing (which is awesome). They are more than welcome to come out to the games that are being hosted by the existing members of the community and they have extended that same courtesy to us.

No drama, no fuss..

Cheers,

Cory

good to see allot of airsoft in Saskatchewan! will be moving there in about a months time

cant wait!

There's also the New Police Story version, where you start with two disassembled Glocks and the first person to reassemble and loads his Glock and shoot the other guy doesn't get shot. :D

It's all fun and game until there are serious prizes/monetary rewards involved, then it's paintball. :rolleyes:

Ok guys i think he gets the point!!!

after the first few comments i understood but now you guys are just being elitist dicks!!!
we know your coll because you hate paint ball, so do i but i will not diss someone because he wants to have a competition, thats his business, i just wont play in it thats all.


lets all keeps are cool and not act like school kids

elitist dicks?

pretty strong fightin' words slim.


I surely hope you weren't directing anything in my particular direction. Mexican Stand Off games and pain games are done in our area. Fun way to end a day of skirmishes, tac-sims and mil-sims for those that want an "extra" adrenaline rush when they play.

Tokyo7 is one of the best knife kill artists in airsoft in Western Canada, (perhaps second only to the russian fellow I met at Westcan Vancouver back in 2005, who managed to kill the driver of a un convoy in the scenario). I've participated in scenarios where I used stickfighting in cqb scenarios (and to make it legit, I DID tape bb's to the stick). So knife and stick weapons have actually been used out here. Heck, I've even seen people using a bokken as their backup, and actually get a "knife" kill with it.

I won't even comment on the plate game. I really don't like it, and I blame AgitProp and Bloodsport for initiating the whole thing. (I'll get you guys yet someday).


Point is, opinions were asked for...good or bad. This IS a discussion thread, and compared to other threads on ASC, this is damn tame so you can also relax a bit. Capradon is a big boy and can speak for himself. No need for namecalling.

Oh, and if/when you actually chose to join the Sask airsoft community and participate in our events, you'll find that when you stick it out to the end, a bunch of us tend to decend on the nearest Boston Pizza for beers and other refreshments, regardless of which team you happened to play on.

I don't see anything mentioned in this thread from Sask player base responses that isn't inaccurate or true as to how we've done things here in one shape or form, since 2000.

and not once have we ever made a reservation. We should probly look into doing that sometime before they start doing stuff to our food.

I wish Aqua was still around, we could do mexican stand off with M203s and sex toys.

nothing was derected to you my friend. Pizza and beer sounds great after a game.

i was talking about all the comments bashing on this guys post about his new web site.

I guess im just sick of hearing people shit talk this guys for having a little initiative. Maybe his style of game he likes does look like paintball(competitions) and people dont like that, yeah me too, but there is no need to be condescending about it

My post was-int at all directed at you or Tokyo seven

comments
 

hey guys, It does seem that some of posting is the same good and bad comments on this forum, but i welcome that I don't wanna hear it form only one person I want everyones. so i can fully understand. I can see that there would be a problem with people not calling there hits and the other person getting mad. with my group and for anyone that wants to come out when we start playing these type's of games I will not stand for any of it, both people will be asked to leave all problems will be handled respectfully. If thats something a person can't do then talk to myself or one of the other team leaders and it will be handled in the right ways. As well I have desided to add a forum on my site with players names that don't call there hits (after a few warnings of course). These are just some of my ideas for this problem. I also want to work with the guys from the pdw and make sure I set these games up on weekend that are free, cause if im welcome i don't wanna miss one of theres. As I said before though this won't happen for a while we have alot of work setting up our land for this. Im about to post pictures I took today of our practice field, these are picture of our land we grow up on building forts and stuff we have alot of work setting it up, pictures will be posted on our website

Hey hey now.....


We did make a reservation once after boot camp, about 10-20 minutes before when 30-40 guys showed up.

just wanted to add as well that all these ideas I have are just ideas right now, Im trying to find something that works for us and get ideas on what has worked in the past. thank you

The more the merrier

thank you