So last question. Basically, if I bought a G&G M4 CQB, OTB it would out perform a JG M4 s-system? The biggest things that I am concerned about are accuracy, reliabilty/durability, and ROF

The G&G Cansoft lines are sort of middle-tier, they have stock components and shoot 350-360 FPS. The newest JG S-System has an m120 spring stock in it and will shoot 400 FPS out of box. JG's internals are getting better if you can find the newer versions of their guns. The latest versions are quick excellent (for example, has a factory mosfet, bearing spring guide, reinforced gearbox, some guns have bearings in the gear or bushings, etc.) while the first releases from 2-3 years were not very good and just standard TM clones (nylon bushings, plastic spring guide, etc.).

The JG - I would game out of the box. The G&G probably has nicer external plastics and furniture - (then again the newest S-Systems by JG are full metal), but performance-wise, I would be upgrading the G&G's internals.

Durability has to goto JG for the new releases since it's full metal. G&G has nice externals (except if it's Cansoft - you'll have a plastic clear reciever instead of metal reciever of the new S-System). ROF is easily changed as one of the biggest influencing factors is simply what battery you are using...the other is the spring in the gun. With the same 8.4v battery on each gun out of the box, G&G will fire faster since it has a weaker spring. Weaker gun because of weaker spring and it's easier to cycle and therefore it will shoot faster. Since the JG is 400FPS, I'd assume it would come with a stiffer hop-up rubber from the factory. It could give it slightly more effective range and accuracy but not a lot. I've heard on some US forums that the new JG's also come with 6.03mm tightbores as well but I can't confirm this. That would help accuracy and range.

Overall out of box - the JG (as long as it's the latest version and not the 1-2 year old kinds) win in every department...the thing is you can't easily buy one in Canada whereas G&G you can. You can always buy a G&G and upgrade the heck out of it too since parts are not restricted and easily purchased.

I've gamed against the Cansoft AEGs several times, there's no more reason to upgrade them out of the box than upgrading JGs. They're solid performers out of the box.

It's the same old advice that's been dispensed for years: unless you've had years of experience tinkering with airsoft guns, field the gun before upgrading it. One of the most basic newbie mistakes is dumping money into internals for no other reason than they think they won't be satisfied with the stock FPS, ROF, accuracy, what have you, based on numbers alone. I've been there myself.

So, JG out of the box.......Could you point me in the direction of one online in Canada( I'm not yet AV'd, and won't be anytime soon)
That suprised me, I heard so many issue with the JG and not a thing about the g&g...

There's no (or not many) sources for JG guns (at least NO black ones) outside of the ASC classifieds and retailers.

Crap.
Ok, now lets talk upgradeability. To my understanding, JG is completely TM compatible? I'm not sure about the G&G thought. Sorry that I can't be more thorough

There's simply no sources for them outside of the classifieds and even there they would be rare. The only JGs you can find on online stores accessible to everyone are the Dragon Maul type ones since they look like toys (but underneath they are M4s).

And yes, both are all 'technically' TM compatible. You learn quickly in airsoft that compatible means differences in tolerances and fit and often entails modification or trial and error or busted parts and busted guns and more and more money thrown in. Therefore, I would agree with The Saint's advice and just game your stock gun if you are new to the sport. I know when I first started I played about 10 games with my JG before the arms race started and I felt that I needed to upgrade and I must have blown $200 in parts that ended up not working or busting or giving me nightmares everyway you can imagine before I got it together. These were the older version of JG guns with the nylon bushings and worse tolerances and everything. Upgrading was nightmare.

I'm assuming the G&G M4 CQB for $370 is still a good buy though? I just don't see how the JG can be so cheap and yet out play a stock gun that is twice it's price....

Where are you seeing JG prices? Of course the prices you see online for the JG is not what you going to be able to pay to get one in Canada.

You would pay double the MSRP you see on US websites for the JG gun in Canada. That general rule applies for almost every airsoft gun here. The G&Gs are made specifically for the Canadian market and are already at Canadian pricing on Canadian websites. If you were to buy the same G&G gun in the US, it would have a metal lower reciever and cost half of that $370 or less. A G&G Blowback M4 is sold by Canadian retailers for $350. In the states, it's only $140.

Get age verified and you can figure out how Canadian pricing works in order to make a better decision for yourself. We can't tell you about what is in the age restricted area, only a general idea of prices.

Oh, ok thanks for clearing that up :)
Is the G&G still worth the $370 price tag, OTB?
Say there is a JG M4 and G&G M4 on the table. You turn around, and someone mixes them up. You pick up each one and fire a good amount of rounds. Would the differences in quality be obvious? If so, which one would stand out more and why?

I've explained enough why the JG is on paper a much better performer in everyway but it is an unfair comparison, like apples and oranges because you are comparing a Cansoft gun from Taiwan with clear plastic reciever and stock parts designed for the Japanese market's type of FPS but made to be importable to the Canadian market...with a full metal Chinese clone airsoft gun that is technically restricted from import into this country and that is pre-upgraded a lot from the factory already. To be honest, I haven't held the new JGs. I've only read reviews on them from international airsoft sites. Go read reviews of these guns yourself.

It's all subjective and not something anyone can tell you unless they actually have both guns. They will feel different, they will sound different. All I can offer is that Taiwanese guns like G&G feel "tighter" and my experience with JGs is that sometimes they feel more "creaky" - again those are the old plastic versions. Not full metal. Also the JG's I have had in the past sounded "whiney" and "sproingy" but that is due to the cheaper gearbox components of their earlier releases.

I don't know what you are talking about. RAS and RIS are interchangable terms. There are many G&G's available to Canada with rail systems.

Tell us what you are looking at specifically
http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-gg-m16.htm

I have read and watched plenty reviews, but no comparisons *sigh*

G&G GR16 R5 (M16 RAS)
SKU # 10209


System : Electric
Action : Semi / Full
Gear Box : Version 2
Motor : 25000 RPM
Barrel : 520mm
Velocity : 360fps w 0.2g


Length : 1000mm
Weight : 3300g
Hop up : Adjustable
Battery : Large type
Magazine : 450 rd Hicap

Price : 510 + GST


- Metal upper receiver and removable rear sight assembly
- Clear polycarbonate C8 lower receiver w/ authentic maple leaf logo and markings
- Nylon fiber pistol grip, vertical grip, RAS panels and one piece hop-up chamber
- Metal Rail Adaptor System
- 14mm- threaded one piece metal outer barrel, high capacity fixed butt stock
- Steel gears, metal bearings, bearing metal spring guide, nylon fiber piston and piston head set
- Metal Parts: flash hinder, front/rear sights, outer/inner barrels, 20mm rail on upper receiver, RAS Rails, rear sight assembly, trigger, bolt stop, fire selector, ejection port cover, trigger guard, magazine, front/rear sling mounts, forward assist knob, charging handle
- Package: Airsoft gun, Magazine, Instruction manual







C.A.S. Version G&G M16 RIS
SKU # 10232


System : Electric
Action : Semi / Full
Gear Box : Version 2
Motor : 25000 RPM
Barrel : 520mm
Velocity : 360fps w 0.2g


Length : 1000mm
Weight : ?g
Hop up : Adjustable
Battery : Small type
Magazine : 450 rd Hicap

Price : 392 + GST


- Metal upper receiver, full length Rail Adaptor System and removable rear sight assembly,
- Smoked clear Combat Machine lower receiver
- Nylon fiber pistol grip, and one piece hop-up chamber
- 14mm- threaded one piece metal outer barrel, high capacity fixed butt stock
- Steel gears, metal bearings, bearing metal spring guide, nylon fiber piston and piston head set
- Metal Parts: flash hinder, front/rear sights, outer/inner barrels, 20mm rail on upper receiver, trigger, bolt stop, fire selector, ejection port cover, trigger guard, magazine, front/rear sling mounts, forward assist knob, charging handle, RAS rails.
- Package: Airsoft gun, Magazine, Manual, 9.6V 1400mA Battery, Wall Charger, Shooting Glasses.
- IMPORTANT: To keep production cost down, all C.A.S. version G&G's uses lower cost material for parts like outer barrels, buffer tubes /tracks, charging handles, body pins, gear box bushings etc. However they have the same fps output as the regular G&G line of high grade Airsoft guns. All CAS version G&G's come with 6.08mm bore inner barrels.



Is if becaues the first one is GR16?

Actually read the thing you just posted. It's written in there as well as the fact that is some difference in external furniture.