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Sawstink June 7th, 2009 18:24
The thing is I really don't have any time in the near future, mid summer being the soonest possible. Basically, my question is would getting a stock M16 be worth it over getting an M4 and upgrading it to the point that it would perform as well as the M16, and also be used in CQB? From what I can understand an M16 is too big and bulky for CQB, but the M4 is built for it, and parts could be added to make it be just as respectable in long range or woodland battles?

kalnaren June 7th, 2009 18:28
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Originally Posted by Sawstink (Post 1003313)
The thing is I really don't have any time in the near future, mid summer being the soonest possible. Basically, my question is would getting a stock M16 be worth it over getting an M4 and upgrading it to the point that it would perform as well as the M16, and also be used in CQB? From what I can understand an M16 is too big and bulky for CQB, but the M4 is built for it, and parts could be added to make it be just as respectable in long range or woodland battles?
Like we said.. internally, the M4 and M16 are identical. The only difference is the length of the barrel. The performance difference between them is almost nothing. The M16 might be a little more accurate at range because of the longer barrel, but that's it.

As for CQB, I've done CQB with my G36, and even with the stock collapsed, that was a pain. If you're planning on doing CQB the smaller gun will be better. However, if you're playing mostly woodland, it comes down largely to personal preference.

We can't tell you which gun to buy.

Sawstink June 7th, 2009 18:31
So the only thing with the M16 is the added accuracy (and bulkiness). So getting an M4 and adding barrel extendors would be just as worth me while? Seeing as I could always use it for CQB or add some stuff and make it as accurate as the M16. Sorry for being so repetitive and somewhat bothersome, but I would just liek to learn about this things for future reference. IMO, getting an experienced players preferences and opinions is one of the best ways for learning

L473ncy June 7th, 2009 18:35
Keep in mind that you won't be allowed to play with a hot gun in CQB. Lets say your outdoor gun shoots 385FPS you will not be allowed to use it in CQB unless you either use a velocity reducer or you do a spring change to bring it down to the legal level for indoor play.

If you think you're going to be playing a bit of both (CQB and Outdoors) then might I suggest an ICS gun since spring changes are easier (from what I hear) due to a different design (split mechbox).

Sawstink June 7th, 2009 18:39
Ok thanks, but my question still lingers.... :)

EDIT: http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=455

That is the M16 I am interested in. Would that be any more accurate than this:

http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=439 with a 8.25" Silencer added?


Yet another edit *sigh*

Is the JG M16 RIS comparable to the G&G M16 RIS? And is the JG M4 S-system comparable to the G&G one?

kalnaren June 7th, 2009 19:21
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Originally Posted by Sawstink (Post 1003325)
Ok thanks, but my question still lingers.... :)

EDIT: http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=455

That is the M16 I am interested in. Would that be any more accurate than this:

http://buyairsoft.ca/catalog/product...roducts_id=439 with a 8.25" Silencer added?
A supressor won't do anything to accuracy. The M16 would probably be a bit more accurate at range due to the longer barrel, as has been stated twice already.

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Is the JG M16 RIS comparable to the G&G M16 RIS? And is the JG M4 S-system comparable to the G&G one?
G&G is probably better overall quality, though not by much. At least with G&G you have the metal upper reciever.

Keep in mind that all of those guns are too hot for indoor CQB play, and you'd have to downgrade the spring.

I should also ask: You are at least 18, right?

Sawstink June 7th, 2009 19:37
Is the M4 Enhanced version considerably higher grade than the regular M4?
I also noticed that the JG has a higher OTB FPS... but as someone stated before, companies often raise the FPS to get us noobs all excited. The JG is also considerably less expensive than the G&G, and would the metal recievers on the G&G really rasise the price this much, or are the internals better on the G&G overall. Thanks for all of your answers BTW, if I were you, I would be kind of frustrated :D

AngelusNex June 7th, 2009 19:47
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Originally Posted by Sawstink (Post 1003355)
Ok, I plan to play outdoor matches anyways. And yes I am at least 18, I just have no time on my hands right now for AVing. I realize that I am probably being very annoying and bothersome with all of these questions, and thank you for your patience :)
Last questions (for now)
Is the M4 Enhanced version considerably higher grade than the regular M4?
I also noticed that the JG has a higher OTB FPS... but as someone stated before, companies often raise the FPS to get us noobs all excited. The JG is also considerably less expensive than the G&G, and would the metal recievers on the G&G really rasise the price this much, or are the internals better on the G&G overall. Thanks for all of your answers BTW, if I were you, I would be kind of frustrated :D
JG internals MAY be better than the G&G THOUGH G&G has higher quality control. basically on a 1 to 10 rating if G&G is 5 JG ranges from 1 to 10 and it's pure luck you get a good one or shit one (mind you I stand by JG as a good brand, but it's a gamble especially if you don't know how to upgrade fix yourself)

Also, it'll take just a few minutes out of your day to meet an age verifier either before or after work/school. if you do not have that much time then your best off not getting an airsoft gun cause you apparently wouldn't have time to use it.

Ponche June 7th, 2009 20:10
i have to say the jing gong,i have the hk416 and haven't had any issues with it.i got it and it was shooting 450 with .2's out of the box,but thank god it kept going down.got down to 330fps i change the spring in it now shoot 350 steady.
but can buy and hk416 now,only if someone is selling there's.

Sawstink June 7th, 2009 20:17
I am leaning towards the G&G just because I have never heard anything bad about them (except that the V2 gearbox is kind of sub-par). If JG's were always constantly reliable I would be sure to snag one.

The Saint June 7th, 2009 20:22
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Originally Posted by Sepulcrum (Post 1003360)
JG internals MAY be better than the G&G THOUGH G&G has higher quality control. basically on a 1 to 10 rating if G&G is 5 JG ranges from 1 to 10 and it's pure luck you get a good one or shit one (mind you I stand by JG as a good brand, but it's a gamble especially if you don't know how to upgrade fix yourself)
I'm not sure why you'd put G&G as potentially below JG like that. JG internals ain't nothing special, certainly no better than G&G.

Sawstink June 7th, 2009 20:30
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Originally Posted by The Saint (Post 1003377)
I'm not sure why you'd put G&G as potentially below JG like that. JG internals ain't nothing special, certainly no better than G&G.
Sorry guys, but The Saint is reliable :) See him around the site. After weeks of reaserching the shit out of this, I think I am going to have to go with the M16. I know that it sucks for CQB, but its FPS is too fast for that anyways, and I'm not going to go out and get velocity decreasers for a gun that sucks in that area anyways. Everything I have read on it is positive, minus the shitty V2 (which is easily upgradeable, I assume (?))

L473ncy June 7th, 2009 20:43
OK good choice. I'm sure you'll like it. I mean you did debate it throughly all the pros and cons so you should be happy with picking whatever you get.

As for meeting up with an AV rep. Yes they can *sometimes*. Although it's better if you do it at the field as doing it during the week or something there may be scheduling issues. eg. You go to school m/w/f but he may have to work on tues/thurs. (I tried to schedule a meeting but he was working when I was free, I was doing finals when he was free).

Be sure to buy your AV rep some Timmies or something (or a coffee if it's early in the morning). Then if they're not too busy you can probably hang out and chat with them for a while and ask more questions there.

Sawstink June 7th, 2009 20:45
OK, thanks for all of the help guys. I actually learned a lot from this :D
ASC Community is awesome, no matter what those American's say ;)

Sawstink June 7th, 2009 23:10
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Originally Posted by L473ncy (Post 1003383)
Be sure to buy your AV rep some Timmies or something.
Now THAT is what I call a good Canadian attitude ;)


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