Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 524954)

I did some testing last weekend and I could get shots with the M150 hitting a 4x8 sheet of plywood at 165 of my paces, which is about 360 feet. All the shots were grouped in about a 2 foot by 2 foot square, give or take the odd straggler when fired in a burst of a few rounds. Single shot was not as good a grouping as there's always some drift when doing a standing shot with no magnifying optics.

If I over engaged the hop-up, I was getting BBs going 220 of my paces, which is about 550 feet, but the accuracy was shit and the BBs would be curving up sharply over the last 100+ feet.

M130 was about 125 paces which is about 310 feet, M110 was 105 paces which is about 260 feet and the M90 was 85 paces which is about 210 feet.

M90 chronos 285 fps. M110 chronos 355 fps. M130 chronos 395 fps and M150 chronos 455 fps with .25g Metal Tech BBs.

This is usable numbers on a calm day on level ground. Being with a slight tailwind or being elevated in a tower greatly increases those numbers. I've had M150 shots extend out as far as 250 paces (600+ feet), but single shot accuracy is not there. A burst might do the trick though.

Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 524966)

Barrel length means nothing. My CQB and M4 have virtually identical performance. M16 is about the same, but my old one is a Gen 1 with M90 kit only. Accuracy may be better, but at those ranges, outside influences like wind, foliage, etc. play more of a role than the capabilities of the gun itself as far as accuracy and range are concerned.

Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 525079)

i got my prowin for around $480, and could have gotten it cheaper through the right channels.
swapping out springs is too easy, one bolt and thats it.
much cheaper to have a set of different springs then to buy a set of different systema cylenders.
but i will admit one thing about the systema PTWs, thier gear setup is just awsome. you have one inside the other, so it takes up less room in the lower reciver.

Originally Posted by kos (Post 524960)

Hah. So if you were running a decently tuned hop, and heavier rounds, you'd be able to effectively engage targets at almost 390 (or +) on burst, or F/A?

Damn, I wonder what an M16 length PTW is capable of.. Unless, ofcourse, that was your M16 length PTW you were talking about..

Originally Posted by pivot (Post 525127)

If this is your first gun, a PTW is probably not the best choice. You need to have 3 or 4 armalites and go through all the version 2 mechbox woes before you get one. That way when you finally get one, you will really appreciate it. ;)