Needle, perhaps you should pay more attention in classes. Malleability is not restricted to any substance whatsoever, let alone plastic. On an atomic level, intermolecular bonds are definely affected if a spring is fully compressed.

May I recommend summer remedial classes.

Written laws, and stated policies, are not the same Gryphon. Policies are not written, they are told to you as you stare back wondering where that shit came from.

You are entirely correct about the written laws and directives, not about the applied policies.
One can be argued with in court if need be, the other is open to the interpretation of the enforcing officer.

You should know that. And that's why there is no way I can make any sense trying to explain it. It's not because I dont know the facts, but because the facts and policies are stupid.

This is turning into a never ending circular argument. Some agree with the mechanical issues, and the legal issues, some dont.

How about this gets dropped? Points were posted for either option, up to the original poster to decide what's right.

LOL frankiet... get your money back for you iron ring bro. "Plastic deformation" does not refer to plastics deforming. Have you ever seen a stress/strain diagram for steel? Plastic deformation in steel occurs after the "yeild stress" is reached. Once this point is passed, the deformation is termed "plastic". Lets stop talking about grade 10 science and atominc bonding and talk materials science... wow

See what I mean? It's becoming an argument between engineering folks.

And knowing a couples of enginers... this will get bad!!! :innocent:

So you should go sit in the corner now - and LISTEN instead.

I was pretty sure about what Needle contributed, but I don't have any mechanical engineering degrees to back my assumptions.

WOW.....everyone stop!

I just read through this whole thread. All I have to say is FUCKIN' WOW!!! It started as a simple question, and now on to physics, metal stress points, my brain is bigger than yours, type of argument. Why don't you all just whip out your cocks, I'm sure one of you is holding a ruler as we speak.

Simple answer is, don't be lazy, unload your mags and you won't have to worry about it.