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Old November 22nd, 2011, 04:00   #1
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Need help to identify this rail

I bought a front end on the forum that is suppose to be a HK416 front end but I know that it's not so I would like to get some other views about it and hopefully Identify it.
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 18:50   #2
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Looks very similar to a PDW

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Old November 22nd, 2011, 19:05   #3
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I have the PDW in the picture and while the rail in question is loosely similar, a lot of the PDW's uniqueness comes from the fact that the rail is part of the upper, whereas the pictured rail is clearly two pieces.

If it's claimed to be a 416 rail, I'm guessing it's also much bigger. I've also noticed on 416 rails and uppers that I've seen that the rail is raised quite a big height off the receiver compared to an m4, whereas the PDW is much closer to an M4 height.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 05:53   #4
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It really does like a PDW rail set or a S-system but I'm sure it's not a 416 rail. He is trying to say it came from a G&G PM416 but I can't find a G&G PM416 that looks like this.

Does anyone else have a G&G PM416?
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 10:02   #5
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The raised rail on the receiver is the giveaway that it's a 416 receiver.
The rail? Not sure, but it matches up with the 416 receiver...
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 10:28   #6
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That's actually not a 416 upper, those are awkwardly high.

The rail system is most likely a modded KAC RAS, you can tell by the 2-2-2-1 hole arrangement. If it was, both ends were cut off as a portion of the weld bead is missing. Don't know how it's attached tho, custom work I guess.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 11:26   #7
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That looks like a KAC type gas block.

On a 416 upper the "bump" opposite the ejection port should be round like in this photo (thanks Soldier Systems). Not square.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 00:08   #8
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Reason it looks like the PDW is the original company is the same...

Looks like a KAC 7" RIS kit with raised top rail...

Sounds like a crappy chinese rail... and finish makes me think the same too.

I know some of theses rails came with the top one removable and a spacer included to install it on 416s... check if you can unscrew the top rail and see if there is a spacer.

*Edit* That is not either a 416 upper or front rail...

See included pics... bottom is WE HK416 receiver, top is ICS Colt M4 receiver... notice the difference in height of the top rail...
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Old November 25th, 2011, 05:35   #9
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Need help to identify this rail

This rail is exactly 6.5 inches long, that's way too short for a 416. It's the same length as my aftermath M4 rail.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 06:06   #10
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Check out the pic where the rail 416 rail would mount.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 11:17   #11
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Check out the pic where the rail 416 rail would mount.
That is where the gas block would go. The 416 rail is secured by a screw at the receiver end.

It's just a bunch of parts thrown together. If the guy you got it from won't tell you what it is then you're out of luck.

It never was and never will be a 416.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 00:39   #12
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Looks like a front end off of a g&g raider m4 to me....i had one and it looked exactly like that.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 00:46   #13
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Looks like a front end off of a g&g raider m4 to me....i had one and it looked exactly like that.
BINGO! I knew I've seen that rail before. I removed one for a customer awhile ago. It's from G&G and the way it mounts to the barrel nut is a bitch to put on and take off.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 00:53   #14
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that's what i figured, and normally the only way to keep it on is by leaving the front site post on as it's a one piece with with flashhider and end of the barrel, that's why there's a gas block on the barrel.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 01:43   #15
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Thats not a 416 rail. whoever sold that to you is wrong. Did he say it was a HK416 rail or front end, well it looks more like a regular KAC 7" rail. Its not even close.
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