Western Arms M4 Gas Blowback

turok_t · May 3rd, 2009, 14:40

Ive been watching some youtube videos of the WA M4 GBB. The recoil is more realistic than the G&G one. What do you guys think of this gun? It is worth it for its price range? Thanks.

surebet · May 3rd, 2009, 15:06

Depends if you are willing to put up with the hassle of gas guns...

The recoil will be better for sure, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first gun. Recoil in airsoft carbines shouldn't be a desired featured, since short of using classic guns, you will be disappointed.

Besides, with the insane price tag of both the gun and mags, a complete setup will run you thousands.

Stick with an AEG if this is a first buy.

theguy · May 3rd, 2009, 15:10

If you are really intrested in the blowback feature, try the G&G one, Its an electric blowback instead of gas, making it more user friendly, and less expensive. Tys took one apart i think, if your seriously intrested, take a look at his thread about it

Zakaib · May 3rd, 2009, 16:30

I am inclined to agree with the previous two. A GBB M4 is a colossal investment, one you'll want to be damn careful about. Personally, I wouldn't consider the price worth the product at all, but you may feel differently.

turok_t · May 3rd, 2009, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by theguy

If you are really intrested in the blowback feature, try the G&G one, Its an electric blowback instead of gas, making it more user friendly, and less expensive. Tys took one apart i think, if your seriously intrested, take a look at his thread about it

I looked at some of the G&G GBB and the blowback isnt too much, its pretty subtle. If I do get the gun, I probably have to change the externals cause everything is plastic. I prefer something metal.

surebet · May 3rd, 2009, 18:47

Go with a CA AR-15, screw the blowback. You will be happy.

AngelusNex · May 3rd, 2009, 20:10

WA gbbs are mostly plastic too

and GBB rifles are too new, still lots of kinks to work out of em.

ILLusion · May 3rd, 2009, 21:55

If you want to get an M4 GBB, building (or buying a pre-built one) that is at skirmishing quality plus 5 mags is a HUGE investment. You are easily looking at around $2500+ just to get started, and that's before you've added on any real extras to customize the look of the piece.

But besides that, the blowback features of GBB M4s is FUN AS HELL! You can not beat the experience.

turok_t · May 3rd, 2009, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion

If you want to get an M4 GBB, building (or buying a pre-built one) that is at skirmishing quality plus 5 mags is a HUGE investment. You are easily looking at around $2500+ just to get started, and that's before you've added on any real extras to customize the look of the piece.

But besides that, the blowback features of GBB M4s is FUN AS HELL! You can not beat the experience.

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN i guess ill be sticking with G&P nonblowback then, if I can even find one...

RacingManiac · May 3rd, 2009, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion

If you want to get an M4 GBB, building (or buying a pre-built one) that is at skirmishing quality plus 5 mags is a HUGE investment. You are easily looking at around $2500+ just to get started, and that's before you've added on any real extras to customize the look of the piece.

But besides that, the blowback features of GBB M4s is FUN AS HELL! You can not beat the experience.

G&P WOC is probably the easiest way of getting something skirmish-able for the WA platform, or a WE M4. But you are looking at expensive mags, and you are going to adopt a totally different style of playing...

ILLusion · May 3rd, 2009, 22:41

The G&P series looks pretty good for the price, if you're willing to accept the styles they have available. Cost in Canada is still about $1200, though for just the gun alone, and that's the cheapest model available. The more expensive G&P WOC models go upwards of $1500.

I would not recommend the WE M4. They are horribly inaccurate, but are very cheap to start for a mostly metal gun. It's still definitely better than a WA M4 because of all the plastic components the WA uses. The WE does have other short comings as well:

- The entire system is proprietary - WA M4 parts will not fit, so finding any replacements and upgrades would be harder.
- Bolt stroke length is only a couple of inches, whereas all the WA based guns (G&P, Inokatsu, etc) all have a complete stroke for harder kicking action
- Again, the accuracy and groupings of the WE are garbage. At best. Stock Marui GBB pistols shoot better than a WE M4.

KND · May 3rd, 2009, 22:48

The price tag of the GBB rifle is not that bad compare to PTW owner but mostly the reason that stop them from buying is the price tag of the mag and will limit them to play in Winter. That's mostly the point.

KND

ILLusion · May 3rd, 2009, 22:57

Agreed. PTW is still better as a skirmishing weapon. More reliable. There are certain trade offs that an electrical based platform can provide that no gas system can. Electric is much more practical, but the mechanic-pneumatic function of GBB is intuitive and much more realistic. It's also more cosmetic, but it all comes down to what it is that you're looking for. It can be totally worth it if you have a hard on for blowback.

RacingManiac · May 3rd, 2009, 23:01

I want the GBB for CAPS....

kullwarrior · May 3rd, 2009, 23:04

Well heres what I think about the GBB versus AEG or PTW type

AEG: Well suited for beginner, good skirmish weapon, cheap prices compare to other three
GBB: Ultimate plinker, most realistic, Mid range price
PTW: Realistic dimension while its still use electric, STOCK ptw has better accuracy then MOST AEG out there, the most expensive of the three

If you really want a plinker in my opinion just get firearms license and wait for the Umarex-Colt M4 in 22lr (coming in June, Unrestricted, 30 rounds mags, semi-auto of course)

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May 3rd, 2009, 14:40	#1
turok_t Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada	Western Arms M4 Gas Blowback Ive been watching some youtube videos of the WA M4 GBB. The recoil is more realistic than the G&G one. What do you guys think of this gun? It is worth it for its price range? Thanks.

May 3rd, 2009, 15:06	#2
surebet Vicious MSPaint Wizard Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Longueuil, Quebec	Depends if you are willing to put up with the hassle of gas guns... The recoil will be better for sure, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first gun. Recoil in airsoft carbines shouldn't be a desired featured, since short of using classic guns, you will be disappointed. Besides, with the insane price tag of both the gun and mags, a complete setup will run you thousands. Stick with an AEG if this is a first buy. __________________ Annoyingly good with numbers Stop American Censorship

May 3rd, 2009, 18:47	#6
surebet Vicious MSPaint Wizard Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Longueuil, Quebec	Go with a CA AR-15, screw the blowback. You will be happy. __________________ Annoyingly good with numbers Stop American Censorship

May 3rd, 2009, 16:30	#4
Zakaib Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Downtown, Toronto, ON	I am inclined to agree with the previous two. A GBB M4 is a colossal investment, one you'll want to be damn careful about. Personally, I wouldn't consider the price worth the product at all, but you may feel differently.

May 3rd, 2009, 20:10	#7
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	WA gbbs are mostly plastic too and GBB rifles are too new, still lots of kinks to work out of em.

May 3rd, 2009, 21:55	#8
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	If you want to get an M4 GBB, building (or buying a pre-built one) that is at skirmishing quality plus 5 mags is a HUGE investment. You are easily looking at around $2500+ just to get started, and that's before you've added on any real extras to customize the look of the piece. But besides that, the blowback features of GBB M4s is FUN AS HELL! You can not beat the experience. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

May 3rd, 2009, 22:41	#11
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	The G&P series looks pretty good for the price, if you're willing to accept the styles they have available. Cost in Canada is still about $1200, though for just the gun alone, and that's the cheapest model available. The more expensive G&P WOC models go upwards of $1500. I would not recommend the WE M4. They are horribly inaccurate, but are very cheap to start for a mostly metal gun. It's still definitely better than a WA M4 because of all the plastic components the WA uses. The WE does have other short comings as well: - The entire system is proprietary - WA M4 parts will not fit, so finding any replacements and upgrades would be harder. - Bolt stroke length is only a couple of inches, whereas all the WA based guns (G&P, Inokatsu, etc) all have a complete stroke for harder kicking action - Again, the accuracy and groupings of the WE are garbage. At best. Stock Marui GBB pistols shoot better than a WE M4. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed Last edited by ILLusion; May 3rd, 2009 at 22:55..

May 3rd, 2009, 22:48	#12
KND * AV revoked * Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Downtown Montreal	The price tag of the GBB rifle is not that bad compare to PTW owner but mostly the reason that stop them from buying is the price tag of the mag and will limit them to play in Winter. That's mostly the point. KND __________________

May 3rd, 2009, 22:57	#13
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Agreed. PTW is still better as a skirmishing weapon. More reliable. There are certain trade offs that an electrical based platform can provide that no gas system can. Electric is much more practical, but the mechanic-pneumatic function of GBB is intuitive and much more realistic. It's also more cosmetic, but it all comes down to what it is that you're looking for. It can be totally worth it if you have a hard on for blowback. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed Last edited by ILLusion; May 3rd, 2009 at 22:59..

May 3rd, 2009, 23:01	#14
RacingManiac Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada/US	I want the GBB for CAPS.... __________________ My Arnies' Album My PBase Album Custom Pistol Whore...

May 3rd, 2009, 23:04	#15
kullwarrior Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	Well heres what I think about the GBB versus AEG or PTW type AEG: Well suited for beginner, good skirmish weapon, cheap prices compare to other three GBB: Ultimate plinker, most realistic, Mid range price PTW: Realistic dimension while its still use electric, STOCK ptw has better accuracy then MOST AEG out there, the most expensive of the three If you really want a plinker in my opinion just get firearms license and wait for the Umarex-Colt M4 in 22lr (coming in June, Unrestricted, 30 rounds mags, semi-auto of course) __________________

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