Airsoft Canada
007 Licence to Shoot

Go Back   Airsoft Canada > Discussion > Airsoft Guns Discussion
Home Forums Register Gallery FAQ Calendar
Retailers Community News/Info International Retailers IRC Today's Posts

KJW M4 vs WE M4/M16 GBBR?

:

Airsoft Guns Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old May 31st, 2010, 14:45   #16
ex
Wanna buy some Nod's? #StolenValour
 
ex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ottawa
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenC View Post

Keep in mind that the WE types do not have a real open bolt, while the KJ does.

Ken
Actually the Open Bolt system is available now for the PDW and the conversion for the Scar and Armalites is coming very soon.
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
ex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 20:45   #17
Sky_7
 
Join Date: May 2010
I have a WE m4 GBB and it is awesome. I bought both co2 and green gas (propane) magazine to find out which one is better. I tuned my laser and scope with propane one first, but then it's not that accurate when I switchted to co2. They are both using .20g and testing range is around 60 feet. Co2 gives more power but it's hard to refill especially when u try to get the co2 bottle out. The gun itself is simply awesome. The only concern is that the realistic-ish noise that it makes could freak out ur neighbours and it's quite loud. Hope this helps
Sky_7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 20:48   #18
SKI
 
SKI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Mississauga
Quote:
Originally Posted by ex View Post
Actually the Open Bolt system is available now for the PDW and the conversion for the Scar and Armalites is coming very soon.
That makes it an upgrade whereas the KJW has that from the factory. My buddy has the WE and it looks and feels awesome. As far as reliability goes, he's had some problems with it jamming and locking up completely. My KJW was used but with only cosmetic upgrades until I picked it up. I through in the Cradle parts but I still would like to get a tightbore for it. Th e biggest benefit of the KJ is also the weakest point for me. The mags are gas efficient. I have been running three loads on one gas fill with consistency. The problem is that the mags are Thermold style which means that I can't run two in my double mag pouches as they tend to grab each other as I try to pull one out. That bothers me quite a bit as it forces me to have to "bulk up" my vest with more pouches. That being said, I would still take the KJ over the WE.
__________________
www.ctmotorsports.ca
SKI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 21:06   #19
ex
Wanna buy some Nod's? #StolenValour
 
ex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ottawa
Quote:
Originally Posted by SKI View Post
That makes it an upgrade whereas the KJW has that from the factory. .
Whilst true yes...they are being produced with the open bolt system now (pdw) and the M4 and scar are coming down the pipe. They will be offering the open bolt to those that want to change their brass tube system.
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
ex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 21:10   #20
HaloSix4
aka Halo64
 
HaloSix4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Uxbridge, ON
Send a message via ICQ to HaloSix4 Send a message via MSN to HaloSix4
They have the conversion kit out for the PDW, so I'm sure they would make it for the SCAR and M4's as well.
__________________
Code:
Medgear Development Inc™ :: Custom design and manufacturing
For your Custom Gear
Saving Time By Design 
Medgear@powergate.ca
HaloSix4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 21:27   #21
GSK88
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: T-dot
I've owned a WE SCAR and an M4, ran both stock at first and in one session on the M4 put close to 1,000 rounds through it, not one single failure of any kind. Threw in the RA Tech NPAS and still had zero problems. This was on a brand new V.3 straight out of the box.

Never seen the KJW, but don't discount WE guns either. In my experience, they're tanks.
__________________
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/415/signature1xx.jpg
GSK88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 21:33   #22
Rugger_can
 
Rugger_can's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Downtown Ottawa
I did quiet a bit of research before I picked which system to go with and frankly I found the WE System to be the one that was consistently reliable as of their current iterations, earlier issues with the system seem to have been growing pains for the company and as their QC has improved considerably and they are committed to producing quality product.

I sided with WE (specifically the SCAR) and I feel I made the right purchase, I guess time will tell.


Cheers
Rugger_can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 21:57   #23
Thenooblord
Can't fix my own guns. Willing to fix yours.
 
Thenooblord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sherwood Forest
Send a message via MSN to Thenooblord
I traded my heavily upgraded WE SCAR for a stock KJW M4, and I have NEVER been happier, that WE was a pile of crap IMO

it didnt break because it was upgraded, it was upgraded because all the stock parts broke
__________________

Words to live by
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kid View Post
The apartment I am in right now costs $100 a month.
My average spending on food per day is less than $4.
My airsoft spending in the last month and a half has totaled over $1400.
They're called priorities. Get yourself some.
Thenooblord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 22:06   #24
Brian McIlmoyle
8=======D
 
Brian McIlmoyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Toronto
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenooblord View Post
I traded my heavily upgraded WE SCAR for a stock KJW M4, and I have NEVER been happier, that WE was a pile of crap IMO

it didnt break because it was upgraded, it was upgraded because all the stock parts broke

I don't think you are a typical user... as you seem to break everything you touch.. and do weird juryrigs to get things going again that result in further breaking..

I have 2 scars a M4 and the PDW .. and they have all worked without issues .. more reliable than most AEGs..

One Scar is down with a sheared valve body.. after pretty heavy use.. the fix is easy and with an upgraded part.. should be long lasting..

To get the best performance from these guns.. use high quality bbs of .28 weight or heavier.. Bastards feed flawlessly.
__________________
Brian McIlmoyle
TTAC3 Director
CAPS Range Officer
Toronto Downtown Age Verifier

OPERATION WOODSMAN

If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite
Brian McIlmoyle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 22:12   #25
El Cactus Loco
 
El Cactus Loco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: ottawa
my WE is still going strong, and its a version 1! just broke the charging handle actually, but that was a well known problem with the V1s (now fixed).
i have no idea how many rounds she has, but damn. its a V1. it was made over a year ago . no upgrades, no mods, nothing. if thats not the definition of a tank, i dunno what is.
if you like to tinker, clean and maintain, and generally work on your gun, then go WE.
if you want to pull it out of the closet, play a game, then put it away till the next game, go KJW. thats not to say that the WE is high maintenance, or that the KJW is maintenance free, thats just a general conclusion iv come to after about a year of reading about both systems.
if you want real steel accessories/furniture, go WE. no system can beat it for that. off the top of my head it is 100% real steel compatible with everything from the buffer tube back, the buffer and spring, the pistol grip, mag release, and rail are all drop in replaceable for RS parts. they can even use RS charging handle with a simple mod or use RS mag shells (pmag for example) with some sanding and filing. not sure about KJW/RS compatibility, though i think that system went the other way and is more AEG compatible (aka cheaper).
as for aftermarket, WE wins. the only real after market manufacturer for KJW is cradle. all this stuff about Prometheus, Ninebal, etc is all talk as far as i know and no actual parts have been made available. WE on the other hand has RA-Tech, TSC (not very good admittedly), stinger, and PMC. im probably missing a few but such is life.
in the end, determine your needs, do your research and make a choice that you are comfortable with. you wont be disappointed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle View Post
I don't think you are a typical user... as you seem to break everything you touch.. and do weird juryrigs to get things going again that result in further breaking..
QFT

Last edited by El Cactus Loco; May 31st, 2010 at 22:15.. Reason: LOLed at brians post, thought it was worth repeating
El Cactus Loco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 22:20   #26
Rugger_can
 
Rugger_can's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Downtown Ottawa
I think it needs to be noted that GBBR's are not for everyone, they require more attention and need to be regularly maintained to ensure they last. As well parts will break eventually, hell parts break on real rifles.


Also I don't know you personally Nooblord but frankly from what Ive read of your posts I would say that you should probably be the last person to gauge the reliability of anything. You seem to be cursed or something.


Also I seem to remember you talking about your KJW M4 being broken recently? You might have wanted to mention that.
Rugger_can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 22:24   #27
Thenooblord
Can't fix my own guns. Willing to fix yours.
 
Thenooblord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sherwood Forest
Send a message via MSN to Thenooblord
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugger_can View Post
I think it needs to be noted that GBBR's are not for everyone, they require more attention and need to be regularly maintained to ensure they last. As well parts will break eventually, hell parts break on real rifles.


Also I don't know you personally Nooblord but frankly from what Ive read of your posts I would say that you should probably be the last person to gauge the reliability of anything. You seem to be cursed or something.


Also I seem to remember you talking about your KJW M4 being broken recently? You might have wanted to mention that.
KJW M4 broken IE rubber band broke, thats nothing, thats like a wire disconnecting in an AEG, thats hardly something to write home about... and it takes literally 30 seconds to make and install a replacement

otherwise, I have never broken a TM hicappa, I havent broken any AEGs from what I can remember, its just the clone shit and the WE shit that I break, oh and the TM 5-7, but like the KJW piston cup in the M4, the 5-7 was design flaw

off topic much?
__________________

Words to live by
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kid View Post
The apartment I am in right now costs $100 a month.
My average spending on food per day is less than $4.
My airsoft spending in the last month and a half has totaled over $1400.
They're called priorities. Get yourself some.

Last edited by Thenooblord; May 31st, 2010 at 22:32..
Thenooblord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2010, 23:02   #28
SKI
 
SKI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Mississauga
Both systems have their pros and cons. I find that as long as the WE is lubed properly, it works well. It is way more realistic in look and feel the KJ. That being said. I still like my KJW over the WE. That may be chalked up to the fact that I own the KJ and my buddy owns the WE. If it was the other way around, perhaps my view would be oposite. They are both good platforms. I have not come across any airsoft or real steel for that matter that is perfect in every way.
__________________
www.ctmotorsports.ca
SKI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 1st, 2010, 00:15   #29
Rubs
 
Rubs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Stouffville, On.
Send a message via MSN to Rubs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenooblord View Post
off topic much?
Explain how a KJW breaking off topic?

Go with a WE - you won't be disappointed.
__________________
Rubs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 1st, 2010, 00:18   #30
Thenooblord
Can't fix my own guns. Willing to fix yours.
 
Thenooblord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sherwood Forest
Send a message via MSN to Thenooblord
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubs View Post
Explain how a KJW breaking off topic?

Go with a WE - you won't be disappointed.
more the topic of everything I touch breaking, thats OT
__________________

Words to live by
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kid View Post
The apartment I am in right now costs $100 a month.
My average spending on food per day is less than $4.
My airsoft spending in the last month and a half has totaled over $1400.
They're called priorities. Get yourself some.
Thenooblord is offline   Reply With Quote
ReplyTop


Go Back   Airsoft Canada > Discussion > Airsoft Guns Discussion

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Airsoft Canada
007 Licence to Shoot

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 17:25.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.