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gurpreet131 May 19th, 2012 18:57

wants to get in but does not know what to buy
 
just started becoming interested i live in winnipeg, i want to buy a airsoft a starter one, cheap too and still good, but dont know what too look for and what to buy

L473ncy May 19th, 2012 18:59

Could get your feet wet with something cheap like an Aftermath Kraken or Broxa or if you're willing to go up a bit higher something more like a bare bones King Arms M4 which can be had for ~$350.

gurpreet131 May 19th, 2012 19:03

is there a difference between the guns painted black and the clear guns, cause the clear guns are cheaper n stuff?

Eeyore May 19th, 2012 19:04

$300 is about the absolute lowest you can get something good for. In fact the King Arms M4 that L473ncy is speaking about is actually the best bang for your buck available right now. King Arms has in my opinion the nicest external quality and very nice internals.

But don't forget that good eye protection is much more important than a gun, following the eye pro good boots are your second most important purchase.

We use to give a number of $1000 to get started in airsoft, but in the last year prices on guns have really dropped and you can start playing for sub $500 if you make smart choices.

I suggest you fill out your location data so people who are near you can help you out, and also to meet with an age verifier as soon as possible.

Eeyore May 19th, 2012 19:05

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Originally Posted by gurpreet131 (Post 1656060)
is there a difference between the guns painted black and the clear guns, cause the clear guns are cheaper n stuff?

Clear guns are all made of plastic. The clear plastic is much more brittle than opaque plastic. And tends to break easily. Metal guns are where it's at.

lurkingknight May 19th, 2012 19:07

starter gun? velocity arms. More serious? king arms m4. All reasonably priced. I would not spend less than that.

gurpreet131 May 19th, 2012 19:07

is there anything good i can get to start off at $200 to see if is worth getting into?

Eeyore May 19th, 2012 19:10

If you have only $200, I suggest you wait to buy a gun, anything you get for that price will lead to disappointment. Try going to a few games and seeing if you can borrow or rent a gun from someone.


This was not said to be mean or make you feel bad about your budget, only what experience has shown us again and again.

Lurk on ASC, read the FAQ and save up a bit more.

Forever_kaos May 19th, 2012 19:10

You could borrow/rent a gun for your first game, sometimes that option is available and sometimes now.

lurkingknight May 19th, 2012 20:29

is that your entire budget?

you need to consider BBs, battery, charger, and approved eye/face protection. That's easily another 150-200$ on top of the gun. Contrary to their availability in canadian tire and walmat, airsoft guns ARE NOT TOYS. Don't expect everything that's needed to play with the rest of us to cost as such.

Freeze May 19th, 2012 20:40

Don't forget the clothing (uniform), pouches, holsters, etc.
At least have proper clothing to play airsoft.....going in with a t-shirt and jeans wouldn't be very smart and would leave you with some questionable bruises/marks. You could always just not have pouches/holsters if you decide to use a hi-cap and no pistol.

Drake May 19th, 2012 21:11

Start by getting AV'd, your options will blossom.

dutch13 May 19th, 2012 21:42

Come see me if you're looking at getting av'ed.

HackD May 19th, 2012 22:08

To echo what others have already said - if it's only a $200.00 entry fee that you've got to enter/try out the sport at this point - wait, and keep saving those pennies. Otherwise, you'll likely be very disappointed, if it's the organized games side of things that you wish to try out.

Clear-soft out of Crappy Tire or Wally World is generally a poor investment. Sure it's cheap, but you really aren't buying it.. you just are renting it from the trash-can, from where it will sooner or later end up in.

$300.00 start up cost for a new decent quality full-metal, starter gun. They usually come with a hi-cap mag (winding mag, holding between ~320-450 rounds, it will get you at least onto the field and playing - you can buy more magazines, later).

If the gun that you that choose isn't field-legal, ie. the FPS (feet per second) on .20 gram BB's doesn't fall between 350-400 FPS - then expect more cash outlay to do a spring-change. Some "Imported specifically for the Canadian Market" guns are equipped with springs shooting from ~430-470 FPS to clear customs based on Government legislation concerning airsoft, which is way hot for most if not all fields holding events. Cost ~$15.00 for the spring + an hours labor for the spring change for most guns.

~$40.00 for full-seal eye protection (goggles), $20.00 for a mesh mouth guard. Safety first.

~$40.00 for surplus boots, more if you want new. Ankle protection is a must.

~$25.00-$40.00 for gloves - them BB's sting when they hit your hands, and they will!

~$20.00-$29.00 for a few games worth of good quality BB's. Walmart or Crappy Tire BB's are good only for airsoft claymore mines, and wasting your money on.

$15.00-30.00 for entry fee to most fields holding events.

That will get you started. The rest will come in time (and money, lots of money). If it isn't for you, you don't have too much invested. If it is for you - hold onto your wallet, it's in for a bumpy ride.

Lastly, as others said - get AV'd - if it ain't for you - you can at least then turn around and sell your gun to someone else. If it is for you.. a lot more things are here to browse and buy.

Good luck.

BennyBoy May 19th, 2012 22:29

U can get a nice gbb kwa pistol w/ 1 mag for about that

amano999 May 19th, 2012 23:22

I would rent a AEG and go to a game. Seeing as how your budget is not very large for airsoft and your not sure its right for you.

kalnaren May 20th, 2012 09:19

Here's an idea of the breakdown to get into airsoft:

These things are mandatory:

Decent starter AEG: $300
Ammo: $15 (2,000 rounds, should last 2-3 games depending on how much you shoot)
Eye Protection: $60-$100+. DO. NOT. CHEAP. OUT. HERE.
Footwear: $80-$120+. DO. NOT. CHEAP. OUT. HERE.
BDUs: $60-$100. If you're spending more than $100 on BDUs you're looking in the wrong place.
Hydration Solution: $30-$60. REQUIRED.
Good battery charger: $60. A cheap wall adapter is NOT a good charger.
Extra batteries: $30-$60. Always have at least one extra.

These things are optional, and not required for your first few games:

Tacvest: $80-$400+. You can get cheap vests, but they suck. IMO be prepared to spend at least $200 on a rig if you're buying new.
Pouches: $20-$40 each. Some vests come with pouches, some don't.
Magazines: $15-$60 each, depending on your gun. Hicaps suck. Be a man and get some standard or lowcaps. Enough for 300-600 rounds.
Knee Pads: $30. I actually played 6 years without them. Now that I have them, I have no idea how I did it.
Tacticool gun accessories: $0 - $100 billion dollars. You can trick your gun out with everything or nothing, completely optional here.

So basically, based on my simple list above:

MANDATORY costs:

$605 to $815

plus OPTIONAL costs:

$750 to $1,495 (I used $150 for tacticool).

So you're looking at anywhere from ~$600 to well over $1,000 to get started. These costs are COMPLETELY realistic, I'm not bullshitting you. Depending on what you can beg/borrow/steal/haggle you might be able to do it for $500-ish, but I think $600 is a more realistic number.

lurkingknight May 20th, 2012 14:44

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Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 1656179)
BDUs: $60-$100. If you're spending more than $100 on BDUs you're looking in the wrong place.
Hydration Solution: $30-$60. REQUIRED.

I'm calling these optional. There are ways to get playing wearing street clothes, some games lump in solid colors into certain teams green/light vs tan/dark etc... you don't NEED bdus to get playing at the basic levels.... neither do you need a specific hydration solution.

I have played maybe 15 games since I started last july, and maybe 3 of them I was wearing actual camo. The rest I had street clothes that met green vs tan requirements... solid green/black/tan that were fit into the rules of the game, both skirmish and milsim.

You can hit the field with a backback and water bottles or a murse and water bottles... anything to carry a water bottle. Most people have at least a backpack kicking around.


Sure, a gun with 1 highcap is not ideal, but it's DOABLE and absolute minimum investment. Even if he gets more mags, there are solutions he can repurpose from around the house to carry those mags... cargo pants pockets, regular pockets, that bag he's using to carry water. Again, not ideal, but doable.

You won't look tacticool, but you can be in the game with that. And for someone who just wants to try beyond a rental, I think that's a good start.

Kozzie May 20th, 2012 21:34

I have to agree ^ with most. A pair of cargos and a golf shirt or button up shirt with a $25 chest rig and you can pull off a good contractor loadout. Except for the chest rig most people already own these things.

My best advice to a beginner is to get a good reliable gun, quality eye pro, a good battery and programable smart charger. Don't cheep out on these things even if it means blowing your whole budget on them. You're looking at probably $450 ish to get a good starter package if you make smart purchases. IMO you should hold off on buying gear and BDU's for a while because you might end up realizing what you got doesn't fit your play style. Or if you want to join a team they probably won't wear the camo you have so you'll have to buy everything twice.

But what you should really do before you buy anything is go out and try to rent for a game or two until you get a better picture of what will suit you best. I played my first few games in Carhart work pants and a collared shirt with a rented MP44. I stuck out like a sore thumb but it saved me a bunch of dough.

kalnaren May 20th, 2012 22:00

Hydration is not optional. Even if its bottles of water. Have a way to get water into you.

Grizzly0679 May 21st, 2012 23:43

These guys have laid out some great lists so there's not much to add, but I'll make a couple suggestions that can save cash.

The South African [insert camo color] vest ran me about 47$ with shipping on ebay. It's tough and has everything you need. Basic, but very functional. Don't judge quality based on price alone. I ripped a pocket off an 80$ vest in store. Unintentionally just in case there's any confusion.

Alternatively you can go to an army surplus and haggle for a decent pair of webbing. I found a really nice set for 40$. I like it so much I'm thinking of using it as my primary vest.

Gloves. Rothco makes some pretty good quality gloves. Not much in terms of protection, but then again, a little pain here and there keeps you staying sharp. ;) We're all a little masochistic here...

Anyway, gloves ran me about 17$. I use gloves so I can be rough with my hands(not worry about what I'm grabbing, etc), not necessarily for knuckle protection. I've already taken a couple bbs to the knuckles, and while it doesn't tickle, it's not the end of the world(tough it out pussy!). :p

I disagree with some of Kalnaren's suggestions but his price suggestions are spot on. I cut corners as much as I could and I think I was just under 1k, but I should add my gun was almost 50% of the total.

which brings me to what all the vets are saying: don't cheap out on the gun.

lurkingknight May 23rd, 2012 11:19

I didn't say it was optional, I'm saying most people already have something capable of carrying at the very least, bottles of water onto the field. If a new player is looking to start on the cheap, you do not need to pay for a specific hydration solution like a camelback or condor carrier for this purpose.


Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 1656359)
Hydration is not optional. Even if its bottles of water. Have a way to get water into you.


Cliffradical May 23rd, 2012 14:24

If you want to try it before you dump money into it, play some games at Xtreme Tactics.

If you find that you like it, start playing regularly and from there you'll network with other players and find individuals/ teams of a like mind who can get you in on outdoor games.
Experienced regulars are often quite approachable and willing to offer advice on gear and tactics, plus XT has a Pro Shop which sells just about everything.
Sales people there are usually happy to answer questions and give advice, but if it's busy or there aren't many people on shift keep it reasonable and don't be offended if they need to move on to other things if you're not there to buy.
This is also why going to regular games and hitting up players for questions is a good idea.

Airsoft isn't for casuals; or at least the good stuff isn't.
It's totally cool to go to a place like XT or Ambush Anonymous and rent for shits and giggles with friends once in a while, but if you're serious about it then the necessary level of financial commitment is no different from a Rec/ Amateur sports league.

Echoing other posters, $300 is the absolute minimum I'd spend on an AEG, and it's much better to have a flexible budget of up to $450.

Clear AEGs work. They don't work well, but they do work.
The problem is they must be considered as disposable.
If you're comfortable spending $200 on something that will break spectacularly and not be worth fixing or be utterly unfixable, I won't stop you, but I'd offer that if you're willing to drop $200 on something you should expect to throw away why wouldn't you just save another $200 and get something that can be fixed/ is worth fixing.

Crunchmeister May 23rd, 2012 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliffradical (Post 1657378)
.....<lots of good advice>....
..... if you're willing to drop $200 on something you should expect to throw away why wouldn't you just save another $200 and get something that can be fixed/ is worth fixing.

I'll add to this by saying that the clear $200 gun will be worthless after you buy it. So even if it doesn't snack on its own internals the first time you shoot it, it's worthless to anyone. You have a worthless piece of plastic you're stuck with after that and it's nothing but an expensive wall-hanger.

If you get a decent AEG, you'll use it and it more than likely won't break. And if you don't like airsoft after a couple of games, you can probably resell your AEG for a reasonable amount. So the loss you take is more along the lines of $50 to $75 - what it would cost you to rent an AEG for a couple of games anyway - rather than the full $200 for the cheap clear gun.

Fenton May 23rd, 2012 21:03

I just played my first Airsoft game last Saturday. I bought a decent rifle (C-TAC M4) and some JT goggles, 2 extra G&G Low Cap mags and 2000 .25 BB's. My gun came with a battery and a wall charger and a mid cap mag.
Total price $790.00 plus 10.00 bucks for the field fee.
I am very happy!

ccyg8774 June 3rd, 2012 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeyore (Post 1656065)
If you have only $200, I suggest you wait to buy a gun, anything you get for that price will lead to disappointment. Try going to a few games and seeing if you can borrow or rent a gun from someone.


This was not said to be mean or make you feel bad about your budget, only what experience has shown us again and again.

Lurk on ASC, read the FAQ and save up a bit more.

Thank God I saw your suggestions before I made the decision of buying a Aftermath gun...

I am new to airsoft, but I used to give similar suggestions to people on fields I am familiar with, so I understand exactly what you mean. Thank you Eeyore.


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