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Sequential January 27th, 2014 17:42

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1862584)
the desert locust fan goggles are $170. You bought fakes.

No they're not. You can get them as low as $130USD before, with a different coupon on revisions site.

Janus January 27th, 2014 19:09

Mesh. I can fog glass from thirty paces. I don't have a choice unless I want to play blind.

_Whiskey_ January 27th, 2014 19:33

Revision all the way. You only get one set of eyes.

Zack The Ripper January 27th, 2014 20:35

I spent a pretty penny on my Smith Optics OTWs (with turbo fan) and its the best $190 I have spent. Multiple lenses, turbo fan, removable battery pack; I hardly use the fan they work so well, and I'm like you Janus, shit fogs fast with me.

ThunderCactus January 27th, 2014 21:07

my bad, thought that read $14-16 LOL

targetGspot January 27th, 2014 23:22

I wear properly tested safety glasses, then I test them myself at 600fps, 1' away to be sure. I also wear mesh once and a while if I'm fogging. At our game, proper eyepro is our only real rule. We test fire on anything anyone brings out and we encourage full face.

Ricochet January 28th, 2014 12:44

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The issue with testing, is that now they have been "struck". So if you're talking safety eyewear, like your standard $5.00 - $20.00 CSA approved glasses, now they are technically no good. Manufacturers specifications always state this. In the case of ballistic, like say Oakley lenses, they are tested with a steel bolt, fired at high speeds. I'd argue that ballistic lenses can take multiple light BB hits without a worry, but as pointed out in previous posts, like the one by Thunder Cactus on ESS glasses, you can get bad batches, and they can and will fail. However in the case of standard safety glasses, after any strike or scratch, like a BB at close range from a 600 FPS gun, now they need replacement.

I'd recommend that anyone using CSA/ANSI safety glasses "must" have built in side shields, a retention strap, and "must be replaced after any strike or visible scratch. Light scuffs from being in a gear bag, or a BB strike out beyond 100', 200', 300' or more feet, FPS depending, may be considered okay, but they should be inspected each time a hit happens for visible damage. If also argue that any strike, no matter the distance, that you can feel, snaps your head back, or makes that audible "thwack", should count as a strike. So it stands to reason that buying an entire box of safety eyewear, say from an automotive store at once, is way more affordable and cost effective. Obviously you're going to then buy the $3.00 - $8.00 safety glasses, as the more expensive ones would be a waste of you had to regularly replace them.

So when someone brings out appropriate safety eyewear, I'd let them run them without a "test" as it were. Honestly, your better off long term, than technically being the cause of disabling their eyewear's safety abilities by shooting them. That being said, clearly outline "acceptable" field eyewear, and what it needs to be accepted, so people don't go out and buy garbage, or try running something unsuitable. We had a guy try and run a gas mask, that was safety rated, but had those old school "glass" lenses. It may take a hammer strike, but it did not like BBs, and the glass cracked. Can you imagine glass shards in his eyes, following a BB strike? So "modern" industrial or ballistic eyewear is a must, and if someone wants to test their own eyewear, and put themselves at risk, well, that's up to you, as it is your field. But I wouldn't want to be the guy who just shot their eyewear to test, and broke the manufacturer's instructions.

There is another issue we've dealt with, and that is facial structure. Facial features like cheekbones, orbital bones, and brow can all play a part in if their eyewear will fit right. The most common one is cheek bones, and this can make things difficult on certain players. Good rule of thumb, once any glasses are on, and worn properly, the player should not be able to touch their eyes with a finger from any angle. It does work, but this is where it gets interesting. If someone has a skinny face or a smaller bone structure, their safety glasses may not actually cover their eyes at certain angles. If the gap is big enough, a BB could come in and ricochet off of their safety lenses, and into their eyes. The human eye is relatively tough, and would likely take a ricochet, but I wouldn't want to put it to the test. In these cases, we make them wear large lenses glasses, such as the M-Frame style, like most modern ballistics have. You'll find safety glasses like this mostly in grinding or power tool settings, as the cover over the lower brow, center cheek bone, and orbital recess. Which leaves us with one last problem, although their are people who can wear thinner styles if safety eyewear and damn near get a seal due to their facial structure, their are those who cannot even wear large or wide lensed glasses, without still having their cheek bones providing any cover. I'm hit or miss with this myself, but I've seen many that no matter what they wear, they can still reach up from underneath, and touch their eyes. This is a tough one, because it is a very bizarre angle, and no matter what they do, they will always have the cheekbone gap. In these instances, we have daned to allow the player the choice of wide lenses, but recommend that they wear a full seal goggle instead.

Bottom line, is that eye safety is each individuals responsibility, but every team, field, host, club , etc, should set the proper example, and have clear cut safety expectations, and comprehensive rules regarding eyewear. Especially, in my opinion, to what is deemed acceptable eyewear, and that reasonable and responsible eye safety always supersedes comfort, style, and personal feelings.

This is a picture of a guy who wore his eyewear down the bridge of his nose, instead of properly. His eyewear fogged up, and he pushed them down so he could tilt his head and see. The gun that shot him was approximately 100' - 150' away, and shot approximately 400 FPS - 420 FPS with a 0.20 gram BB. I think I've posted it here before, but it's a good reminder that close, is too close.

targetGspot January 28th, 2014 16:32

I actually bought 2 of the glasses I wore last season, 1st set I fired multiple 600 fps 1' shots then went full auto from 4' 400fps multiple bursts, no damage. I wear that pair while driving and play with the other pair. I typically go through this routine every season, unless I feel the need to replace mid season from taking a few to many in the face but our guys are pretty good about actually aiming and avoiding a face shots. Everyone we play with knows the risk. We even tell them about one of our guys losing half a tooth. (we recommend full face, but a tooth can be fixed, not so much for an eye).

ThunderCactus January 28th, 2014 18:15

I would also argue that the mil-spec lenses can take multiple hits, and Z87.1+ lenses are actually tested in 6 places with the high velocity test, HOWEVER it's questionable if the HV test is comparable to a BB.

If you see your lens deform notably (fair sized crater), as mine did when they were hit by a hot GBBR from close, I'd say toss the lens. Deformation sets up internal stress which weakens the lens. ESPECIALLY if you see any sort of stress fractures, no matter how small, around the point of impact. Any sort of stress fracture or crack, no matter how small, seriously compromises the lens' ballistic rating.

Small hits within fps limits, say fired from 150', I don't believe should cause notable damage to a lens.

Red Dot June 16th, 2014 22:08

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Originally Posted by scarfn (Post 1895949)
I have tactical goggles don't what the rating is and glasses from the dollar store

If you read this thread do you feel confident in your unknown tactical goggles and dollar store glasses to protect your eyes? :confused:

SuperHog June 19th, 2014 14:46

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Originally Posted by Red Dot (Post 1895959)
If you read this thread do you feel confident in your unknown tactical goggles and dollar store glasses to protect your eyes? :confused:

It is about common sense. If a person thinks a dollar store eye protection is fine, he probably does not have common sense on other things in life.

Jimski June 19th, 2014 15:02

Heys guise I just bought this awesome dollarstore parachute

lurkingknight June 19th, 2014 15:09

dollar store condoms?

ThunderCactus June 19th, 2014 15:38

All you can do is present a person with facts and rules. In the end, their safety is up to themselves.
It still blows my mind that some people cant justify spending more than $5 on industrial eye protection. You can fact them to death but they just dont get it.

lurkingknight June 19th, 2014 17:32

what's that saying? you can lead a horse to water, but the dumbass fucker will just drown itself?

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