hi guys:

i am a filipino airsoft player and is now based in Naugatuck, Connecticut. i read a thread about us riding our guns hard. you got that right, because if you don't...well...imagine being hit by a bb at 500 fps close range - less than a foot - the bb's are graphite coated weighting 0.43 grams. you would want to return the favor...right.

back home we have a saying that if you don't want to get hurt there are two things that you can do...(1) maybe airsoft is not for you or (2) improve - get better and not get hit.

my previous team...one of the oldest (1989 - gas days, using CO2 at over 150 psi) is now the defucnk Recon Survival Games Club. i remember those days. our sniper rifle back then was a full size m16 - gas - well over 700 fps - and at this muzzle exit velocity, bottles dont break ones you try to shoot them, you will make holes in them. i heard stories that some players actually have to use a spoon to remove the bb's imbeded in their skin.

once in a while RSGC starts the game with a warm up. it is called "rock and roll". two teams facing each other probably about 15 to 20 phases away. counting 5 to 1 we start running towards each other shooting at the same time. you stop only if you can't take it anymore. normally most of us stop after the third pass. i still have the scars. then there is "die hard" where in you have a soda can tied to your neck - you are alone facing the entire team. you can only be killed or "hit" if someone was able to hit the can...or if you surrender. these are all intended to improve your skill and tenacity. and we did. i remember there were only 10 of us facing three teams. each team has atleast 10 or more players also. and we won. fair and square.

i believe now there is more control over the fps limit of our AEG's (which should be). i think about 500 to 550 fps or an M150 spring or a PDI 300% max - for now. and slowly lowered to max of M130 or PDI 190%.

believe me my airsoft friends whenever your in the Philippines, make sure you play. once you hear the bb's fly - your adrenaline will truly pump. you can actually hear the "whoosh" once it passes your ears.

why am i telling this...i guess i am just an old guy trying to share his story. you can verify my story if you like. visit filairsoft again and look for Recon 1st Battalion. some of my old buddies still play there.

LIVE STRONG MY FRIENDS!

and thanks for reading. my apologies if i bore you.


Si vis pacem, para bellum

Jonglory, I moved this post of yours here to the general section, as I could not possibly discern what it had to do with the ICS M4 Bible.

Wow. those velocitys for AEG are abouve our max for BA sniper.
Must be insane to play there.

"kamusta kabayan" true way back in the days I was a little kid I used to play with just springers coz my cuzin who was an old school airsofter does'nt allow me to play with a big gun like gas airsoft rifle. I miss home I wish I can play there someday.

What's the point of having hurting someone on purpose? I'm not talking about a 400fps from 20 feet. What you described is just stupid... Playing to have fun is one thing, but playing to make someone look like they just had chickenpox...

May I ask why on earth you play at such high fps'?

Did you use goggles?

HAHA! reminds me of my hunting trip to buffalo. And you think AS'ers are gun crazy? Ever seen real steel versions of 3/4 of the guns you play with, and some you don't, just lying around in a house? Had to watch my step.

Must be so awesome to play at those speeds... hopefully one day we can play at those speeds too =P

they have playsites with FPS limit and there is the no limit means you can maxed up your AEG. hmmm........Fun.. this is fun for them only if you can Endure Pain! If you don't like, don't play. As simple as that. If you got welts all over your body, its more like a show and tell. Phillipines has the highest percentage of airsoft players ranging from all profession compared up north. I know a priest from my old hometown who plays airsoft. Unlikely, isnt it? Airsoft is "old" in the Phillipines. Its been been around after the Japanesse introduced it. Like I said, airsoft used to be gas back in the days not the usual AEG's you see or hold right now. We all know that its pretty crazy how Filpinos play airsoft with such power on their guns. Not only that, there are other countries who allows powerful AEG's. Call me crazy but I want to play with them but I be better off playing with the standard limit. This is pure challenge not like the usual airsoft game up north like "others" think their Rambo. I think it makes it a little realistic where you use your head extensively to survive the game and how long can you last. Correct me if I am wrong in some areas Jonglory. I also represent my filipino pride and hope I make sense here... peace!

yep I believe they use full face mask. I woulnt be playing there with just the goggles people might think I have a humongous pimple or leprosy if I got hit in the face.

Using such high FPS defeats the purpose of airsoft.

The point of airsoft is to simulate REAL combat without anyone getting HURT.

Even if high FPS was allowed in other countries, the fact that it CAN seriously hurt people can spark public interest and possibly get the sport banned.

You can still seriously hurt people with AEGs shooting at 280FPS. -_-

Airsoft in the Philippines should not be compared with how airsoft is in Canada. Likewise we shouldn't compare how it is in Europe and how it is in the States. They all have 'their own rules'.

Where were you this weekend when we had a game and we were only outnumbered by 17-28. We wouldn't have had our success snatched away from us at the last moment. :lol:

It's interesting to hear from airsoft players around the world on how the game is played. We might think playing with such high (dangerous?) FPS is foolish but I guess, if the shoe fits, wear it. I wouldn't mind picking up on a few good tips to improve my game play though. ;-)

Must be expensive hosing 0.43's at full auto. Must be murder on V2 mechboxes all the internals too.

At 550fps, you might as well also allow 500fps pellet guns onto the field as b/a rifles. Much more accurate and at range it'd probably be less bad than getting nailed by a 0.43 at 500fps up close.

I've heard of HK style games or games from the HotShot days with muzzle energy that'd damage gear and chip guns. Personally, I wouldn't mind playing against hot guns, but in the heat of the summer I hate full masks. I endured a couple years of oral surgery and orthodontics. I'd be pissed to get a tooth zapped for a glorified game of tag.

not to mention the fact that once you break that 500fps barrier, you got a firearm ... and an illegal one at that.

Thats canada my friend, not US pursay.

Anyhoo this is just another american bragging about another thing they have better then Canada.

Uhhh, this guys from the Philipenes

FROM but is not IN the philipenes.......i thought....yuppers, hes "based in Naugatuck, Connecticut"

He stated that he currently lives in the US at the moment.

He was recalling memory from the Phillipines.

No more arguing :(

My bad.

Not necessarily. It requires I believe 6.3 Joules of energy behind the BB itself. Little known fact.

5.7 Joules actualy.

Later,

I'm not trying to be anal or anything... and please don't flame me. It's Philippines, not Philipenes.

Thank you for reading my thread. I now know how my father feels whenever I listen to his war stories. His was real.

answer(s) to some questions:

1. My apologies for posting this tread to the ICS bible page. Two years ago a bought an ICS (for display...yup!). However last night, I got this crazy idea of "why not upgrade it" project. That is how I found your site.

And then I read erp saying that Filipino's ride their guns hard. It made me smile...lay back as memory started to flash before me.

Thanks erp. I needed that. Maybe it is time for me to go back playing airsoft. :salute:

2. Goggles - you'd be crazy not to wear a full face mask.

3. VipaMave - ...defeat the purpose of Airsoft: please do not get me wrong with my answer. We all have our own opinion. However:

Please do not generalize it. What is true to you may not be true to others. The fact is we belong to a different culture. Therefore we have a different taste(s). Why do you think "the running of the bull" is such a famous sport in Spain and not the rest of the world?

The thing is, in the Philippines...if you shot someone, for example, in the arm or in the hands and he bleeds...and he knows you are the one who shot him…after that game...at the safe zone...you can even approach him and ask for a cigarette. Believe me, he will turn to you, smile, give you a smoke and tell then you - "nice game" or "nice one". You don't even have to apologize. Some people are even offended when you apologize to them.

...the sport may be band...

The Philippine Army opened a site in Fort Bonifacio for Airsoft Players. Even real soldiers play airsoft. Airsoft is a biggie in the Philippines...it is like baseball here - every weekends. And there is no need for a waiver. One time RSGC had a game and we saw a father and son team. And the son is only 10 years old. What strike me most is that when everyone was not shooting at the kid…he yelled and said “play fair.” Seriously!

My theory is...all it would take for the sport to be band here is a simple law suit coming from someone who got hurt playing the sport. People who try to fit into the sport that is obviously not for them.

people who does not what to get hurt playing the sport should just play "counterstrike" at home. Hell, just by running from cover to cover you can trip and get hurt.

However, we all have to make sure that our sport stay alive. It is our duty and responsibility to others who love the sport as well to make it so. If your club or organization calls or ask for an FPS limit. Abide by it. It is there for a reason.

4. Yes…I now live here in the States. And yes…I played airsoft here already. But again…don’t get me wrong…I still prefer to play the kind of Airsoft Game I used to know back in the Philippines. It is different….it is almost real. A different level. I remember I use to ask myself…”what if everything was real…I would be dead by now” only to find out that everyone was asking that same kind of question.

5. damage – kamusta pre! Ayos ba tayo dyan.

Again guys thanks. LIVE WELL AND LIVE STRONG!

To Each His Own
 

Sounds painfull. I have had many positive experiences in my life directly linked to pain, so I can understand the allure. Little more risk, little more reward..

Personally I have alwas wanted to try out scenarios with Simunition. Can't get it or the gun adapters up here unless you are police or CF. Even then it's pretty tough.

I have a friend in North Dakota who is operational as a Seal (not sure what outfit) and he says he would love to start a simunition leauge, but the costs are prohibitive. Simunition shells are sometime more expensive then real ammo, and on top of a real wepon, you have to but the adapter kit to fire the Simunition shells..insurance etc. Would be a rich mans game.

Hurst pretty bad but people still want to do it. Personally, I think loud concerts (Van Warped Tour) constitute a fair amount of physical damage and pain, but I still go..:-)

I'd love to try games in the Philippines =) [maybe ill visit some relatives in a few years]
I love the game sites they are able to play at. A lot of the places are abandoned/private areas/buildings. They do hold tournaments as well I believe, if i translated some of the threads they have on the FilAirsoft forums.
Airsoft on a totally different level from how it is played in Canada. =]
they have ways to maintain their V2 gearboxes from crackerage! !!!

it is an either or situation, here is the section from the CCC

(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge
(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or
(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.


So if you exceed either limit.. it's a firearm. in Canada

No, North American ETHICS are valued by the UN or alliances such as NATO or NORAD (not to mention the North American governments).

Its the fact people hurt other people just because they want to.

What I said earlier: If violence and airsoft are associated in other countries, Canadian politicians could catch on to this and lead to a ban for airsoft in Canada.
Sure, North America and the Phillipines have different customs. Give me one good reason to associate that with the issue. It is COMPLETELY irrelvant. Putting INJURY and AIRSOFT together won't just affect the country in matter. I'm sure the idea that airsoft CAN cause injury CAN lead to some sort of ban on Airsoft in Canada or North America for that matter.

I'm sure North America wants individuals running around with airsoft rifles that can potentially cause bodily harm AND resemble real firearms, right?

I see, a provision was made. But, again, keep in mind you can just swap for heavier BBs to hit under 500fps, as long as the 5.7J isn't exceeded.

And that's where the problem lies. The gun shoots at 600fps with .2's... So by legal definition of the firearms act, it's illegal. But wait! Load up .36's, and it's 470fps, it's now legal?

The "fps" is purely a soccer mom freak thing. Kinda like a top speed on a car. Should be purely based on energy.

Risk tolerance,
 

Everyone has a differing tolerance to risk, some people think that playing with waterguns is dangerous, there are some who would not step back from a friendly game with 22short ammo, with vests and helmets.

I have found in my business, (martial arts ) that the tolerance to risk covers the entire spectrum, from zero contact, to full contact, to "all in" and it can change depending on circumstances.

it does not surprise me a bit to find people in the airsoft community who balk at being hit with Hot Guns, while at the same time you have the fellows who wear their "bleeders" as a badge of honor.

It all comes down to your individual tolerance to risk and injury, everyone is different.. and it has to be balanced with your responsibilities and roles off the field.

Hey Pare!

If you get the chance, send my props to "Major" (Luis) in 1st Recon, and an old buddy 'Allmighty'.

I kind of apologize for the response to the style you posted - one thing I guess you have to understand is that Canada completely missed the 'gas' age, and the sport as a whole in this country is only about 6 years old or so. So the styles here compared to the way our Pare's play, it's pretty easy to understand why.

I got 2 Pare's on my team who've all done it that way before, and I don't remember what my JAC's were running at because we didn't get a chrony until about 1989, when we shot the display out on the 3rd day. We were getting bleeders and welts with .12g's. Things change tho - sometimes for the better. Instead of arguing about getting hurt, we here in Canada continuously argue about petty shit on Airsoft dBoards for outlets and entertainment, usually following topics to a calendar.

Hope you get the chance to come up and come out to a game.

~ Cheers

Now that's a true airsofter. Spoken from the heart.

I just think it'd be nice to have a private field somewhere in which "hot guns" running at higher fps than most field limits allow could be used.
Sure I would still go to regular limited games and fields, and fully obey thier limits and riles but it'd be nice to have a break from the limits and meet up with a bunch of ppl who know what they were getting into and don't mind a little pain or putting more attention into thier playing styles to play with higher fps.

Obviously our laws do put certain limits on our guns but a field where ppl keep it a little closer to those limits if not right at them wouldn't be a bad thing in my books.

All n all in the end They play how they like to play over there and I'm sure noone is forcing them to.
I don't find it bad in any way just different.......and truthfully I wish playing games as he described wasn't something that I unfortunately missed out on due to it being a reletively new sport here like poncho said and our culture being so safety oriented (which also isn't a bad thing) our safety conciousness just might not float everyones boat.
Some ppl just don't mind and may even prefer a little added pain or "danger"

If there's any private fields out there with higher than average limits that anyone can point me towards it'd be appretiated.

I feel ripped off now. I haven't had to spoon a bb out of myself yet. :sad: ;-)

Go! Poncho!!!~

Maybe we should go to Philippines instead? =P
*ponders*

Well no, because the weapon is "capable of" firing a projectile at over 500 fps the weapon is a firearm. It does not matter if at this particular moment it is loaded with projectiles that don't go that fast.

The law is clear in this regard.. as it deals both with the weapon and the projectile.

By that definition, every daisy gun is then possibly a firearm.

Brian McIlmoyle and firemachine69.

Why don't you two start your own thread. You could call it "Stupid Shit That's Been Argued Before"

Hey thats a great idea, will you moderate?

LOL Hell no!

How does having a 700 fps sniper rifle make you a better player? How does being shot by a 700 fps sniper rifle make you a better player? How does the threat of severe injury and even death make you a better player? If you ask me, i think it just makes you dumber than the average airsofter playing with safe velocities.

I really dont understand the people out there that have to experience pain to feel reward. How does masochism improve your self worth?

What ever happened to being satisfied with playing with your friends, team mates and aquaintences. I know that one of the most rewarding aspects of airsoft is effectively communicating with my team mates and executing effective plans of attack and defense. How could potential injury possibly make this hobby more rewarding?

You're misinterpreting. Clauses i and ii are part of subsection D. As long as EITHER i or ii is true, the weapon in point is not a firearm. Now stop shitting in the guy's thread, this is the best read I've had in weeks.

Pare,

Anong Balita sa atin?

Nice to know the old stories...Keep the spirit ALIVE!

Ingat!
Stryker