Ares m4
 

Hey guys, I was looking at purchasing a new m4 soon and one in particular caught my eye. It's the new Ares m4a1. Full metal, very realistic and good looking. But does anyone know how this thing would perform? I'm looking at trying to make it a dmr, so I need accuracy and reliability. The only other gun I was looking at would be the g&g m4 plastic max.

Hi, I would suggest you get Age verified before you purchase either gun. ASC's retail and classified sections are treasure troves of guns.

Thanks man, yeah I know I probably should

The MAX series requires you downgrade your gun
The ARES series are beautiful but use proprietary parts

If you were AVed I would suggest other brands

What exactly would I need to downgrade? And yeah the area is a very beautiful gun (especially with a functioning bolt catch) . I would like my gun to be as accurate as possible (out to around 200 feet) but reliable (last me 3 to 4 years)

For M4's, I'd recommend:
1. PTW $1500+
2. G&P $500+
3. King Arms $300
And nothing else.

The MAX series shoots retardedly fast. Check with your local group but usually CQB is capped at around 350 fps and outdoors around 400 fps.

Bare minimum, you need to swap the spring to something more reasonable. Since the mechbox will already be opened you might want to do some preventive work as well.

Both these guns will probably last 3-4 years with a yearly tune up and the occasional fix. Any gun will require maintenance, even Tokyo Marui's, notorious for their low maintenance, benefit from a yearly tune up. If you don't feel up to the task local players can help you out.

The reason I pointed out the proprietary parts issue with ARES is that you are at the mercy of sourcing parts, search around ASC and you'll see this is sometimes quite a problem.

Again, with AV, you get access to sellers that either stock or can import just about anything so you would have a better selection of brands.

Yeah I really should get a'vd I need to get on that. Just as a side question, I am trying to make the gun into a dmr, do would you have any ideas as what upgrades I would need to do to it?

Why not start with one of the SR-25 variants if it's a DMR you want?

Oh and wouldn't the ares need to be downgraded too? Because they both shoot 400-450 fps, or at least the one that I'm looking at does

A popular upgrade is a MOSFET kit to either cap the gun to semi or limit auto somewhat.

After that, full length barrel hidden with a silencer, relevant internal work to insure consistent shooting speed (much, much more important than actual speed) and the likes.

Consider going for an m16 instead.


Again, depends where you play but yes. Besides at 450 you gun will not last long, there is significant work to be done on a mechbox to keep it from imploding at those speeds not present on stock guns.

What lengths would I need for my barrel? And also what would be a good speed to keep the gun at? I would like it to be a dmr. Oh yeah and out of the guns mentioned , which do you think is the best (just incase I stay with the m4 platform)

Get Av'ed and this place is great, but

M4 suggestions.....

1. TM, the only draw back is it isn't a metal body though upgrades are available an new models are availabe that are, I think mine was just an older version. I have nothing but good things to say about TM. It was my first M4, and it was a work horse. I did have upgraded internals, mech box, spring, piston, inner barrel ect.... however it survived 2 years without incident and I played often, and in all types of weather. The only thing I didn't like was the barrel wobble. Though in most cases you can fix that, or limit it. But it was consistent in it's fps 420 - 423 always, accuracy was great. By the time it finally packed it in I had sold it and it lasted a while longer. The new owner's problem was the teeth stripped on the piston. But that is with considerable wear and lots of use. He fixed it in no time and it was up and running again.

2. KWA: I loved this rifle, it was everything that my TM was and a little more. Full metal, good fps, accuracy out of the box. Though it unfortunately didn't last as long; however, the support KWA gave me for this rifle was excellent. I was running a lipo battery on it, and one small piece broke inside the mech box. KWA not only replaced my mech box for FREE, but they ensured they gave me the latest and greatest and followed up. I had sold the rifle because I all but got out of airsoft because of family commitments, and I didn't have as much time to go out. But I'd still have it now if it wasn't for that fact. The games I did use this rifle it preformed magnificiently. I liked the feel much more than my TM. I just wish I had more time with it.

But I think every brand is capable of being great or crap. Sometimes it's just QC. The most reliable rifle/smg I owned in matter of fact that gave me no issues what so ever was my wifes JG MP5. I know not an M4, but if your willing to spend a little more and get things right, anything can be made reliable. But that is something you will decide.

Last time I built a DMR it was based on a G&P SAM-R, so I can't really comment on how to proceed for an M4. There are plenty of builds and posts here, just searching "DMR" yielded a whole bunch of threads. Look around, it's been discussed often.

Again, fps depends a lot on where you play. Although there are middle-grounds, if you expect to only play outside or only CQB the approach will vary quite a bit.

If you take one thing out of this is that accuracy is a by-product of repeatability, which is why I'm putting a lot of emphasis on shot consistency.

You need to understand that to achieve this you need a solid base gun with good aftermarket support. That kinda kills the ARES. The G&G seems to be the next best choice but tolerances are troublesome, leading to issues with upgrades.

If it were my money, I'd say none of the two.

Okay, so what gun would beable to give me all that? I've also heard a lot about the king arms m4, any info on that?

I wish I could get a kwa or TM but I just don't have the money, I'll have to keep looking.

If I were to build an AEG DMR, I'd use this as a base:
http://torontoairsoft.com/product.php?id_product=1471

Nice gun, but pricey for my budget

A decent build with upgrades and accessories will push 1000$. Even based on a cheaper gun 700+ is to be expected.

Apart from high end or custom guns, nothing will suit your needs out of the box.

The cheaper alternative, although I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, is to get AVed and shop for a decent used package. 500$ goes a long way there, but looking at your post history I've got a feeling you are not of age.

This is a pretty expensive sport to get into, but once your there it's great, and you have the set up you want your golden. So my advice would be to save up and get the better AEG, and something you can build on at your own pace. You don't have to go zero to hero in one go with any rifle, but if you spend the money and get a good base platform you can upgrade it as you go when you have the extra cash.

I believe someone has already mentioned this as well. But as for perfered brand, everyone will have their reasons why A is better than B, so it's up to you in the end. Just because someone had a positive experience with one brand doesn't mean your going to, because with anything there is always the possibility of getting a lemon no matter what brand. Just the chances of it happening are lower if you move to the ones that are better established and supported.

I wish you luck,

The number one gun on everyone's xmas list is http://www.tokyo-marui.co.jp/product...cce/index.html

Sure it's got no sights and you've got to buy special magazines you can't swap to other AEGs but you're at the start line here; those are less important than if you already had a dozen AEGs and didn't want to get more mags etc.

I suspect I'll have one by this time next year.

Does anyone know if http://airsoftdepot.ca/catalog/produ...roducts_id=662
would fit on the ARES M4A1?

I would suggest getting the ARES, because you can literally change the spring in second, for indoor and outdoor.

As far as accuracy goes, it really depends on how you set it up I think

Lots of proprietary parts: Either a paperweight or a useful lesson in the world of CNC machining.

I have an Ares G36c. I hardly ever change the spring. Once it's in there, it stays. I can see someone using the feature more if it was their only gun. One handy use of the quick change feature is for the comparison of different springs. I have a drawer full of springs, so it's pretty easy to pop a spring in the Ares to find out the relative fps.

Ares is getting better at supplying parts.

If you ever have to open the mechbox being able to do so and close it up without having to deal with the spring snaking out is a joy.

Should fit, I believe there will be a small gap in the top rail though. I saw a DD Omega 12" on a ARES M16 so assume it will be the same for the M4.